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Online Events => GT Endurance Racing => Topic started by: Wolfpack987 on March 02, 2012, 08:21:03 AM
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It was a more dangerous time in the world of motorsports. Drivers faced the risk of death on an almost weekly basis. Back when men were men and there was no such thing as "being PC". It was a time when most race cars were a thing of beauty as well...
Let's take a time machine back to the 1960s and run an enduro at Le Mans with classic race cars. Vehicle entrant list:
Jaguar XJ13
Ferrari 330 P4
Ford Mark IV
Ford GT40
Chaparral 2D
Chevrolet Corvette C2 Z06
Track - Circuit de la Sarthe 2005 (no chicanes)
Laps - 35 (one tenth the winning total lap count for 2011)
Driving Aids allowed: ABS
Modifications allowed: None
Tires: Race Medium only
Current Sign Up Sheet
TheHotStepper - XJ13
WolfpackS2k - Mark IV
TunaPhreak - XJ13
ChromeTuna - 2D
Tuna_Wiz - GT40
Metal - GT40
Turbo-Tuna - 330 P4
DesertSniper - Mark IV
CharlieTuna - XJ13
GTP_FLASH48 - GT40
Fried_Tuna - 330 P4
EVENT DATE & TIME: May 12th @ 8pm EST (Practice to commence at 700 and Qualifying at 730 8)
Starting order will be fastest in the front.
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Given that the time & day are right (which for me is not an easy thing to accomplish) I would be on that XJ13 like a crack bunny on... well, crack.
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Given that the time & day are right
:stoopid:
Not sure what car I'd want to use. I'm not particularly good at driving any of them, but I like them all.
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As we discussed in gchat, I'm in! I still want the 2J though! :P
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I'm interested.
I assume Sarthe 2005 no chicanes?
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Can I ask for the inclusion of a couple of cars?
Camaro Z28 RM '69 (http://www.mygranturismo.net/car_sheet.php?id=115)
Challenger R/T RM '70 (http://www.mygranturismo.net/car_sheet.php?id=167)
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^^yes
^sure, if they're able to hang. Are they both around 600 PP?
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^^yes
^sure, if they're able to hang. Are they both around 600 PP?
Yes, they can both make 600.
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i love this idea, and i'll run any car from this era, i really don't care at all which one lol, they are all a blast.
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Can I ask for the inclusion of a couple of cars?
Camaro Z28 RM '69 (http://www.mygranturismo.net/car_sheet.php?id=115)
Challenger R/T RM '70 (http://www.mygranturismo.net/car_sheet.php?id=167)
Whether or not they are included is up to someone else but for the sake of discussion I have to ask why? No challenger or camaro were entered in the 24 hrs for 1969, 1970 or 1971. Plus the original list is made of sports cars not pony cars turned into racers. We have alpines and alfas that would be more fitting, as they were entered into the actual races back then. Curiosity is getting the better of me. So I had to ask. Oh yeah I am interested in the Ferrari or the Mk IV
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I can somewhat understand including them...only because they're old 'race' cars. They were however, never meant to compete in anywhere near them same field though, were they? I would be surprised if they were actually competitive in that field. Sure, they may be able to get to 600PP, but that doesn't mean they can keep up, especially in a proper race track, with mid engine race bread cars with better aero.
edit: I would be surprised if the Chevrolet Corvette C2 Z06 doesn't get embarrassed here too.
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Even though I don't believe it ever ran at LaSarthe the Toyata 7 seems like a more fitting addition. Sorry mind is rambling through cars from the game.
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Baked, I agree. The Trans-Am Camaro/Challenger are Trans Am cars. They didn't race at Le Mans. That C2 Corvette, you're right Turbo, will get destroyed.
But, there are other cars from the game that raced at Le Mans in the 1960s:
Mini Marcos
Shelby GT350
Triumph Spitfire
Alfa Romeo TZ2 (this could almost compete with the others)
Alpine A110
AC Cobra
Jaguar E-Type
Lotus Elan
Chevrolet Corvette Stingray (the C3)
Chevrolet Corvette (C1... it was actually a 1960)
Not to mention a large handful of cars I really really would like to have in the game
P.S. I'm not saying these cars should be included. Definitely not saying that. I'm just giving a list of cars that, in addition to what you've said (although the Jaguar XJ13 never raced ANYWHERE much less at Le Mans), technically did race at Le Mans in the 1960s AND are on the game.
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Can I ask for the inclusion of a couple of cars?
Camaro Z28 RM '69 (http://www.mygranturismo.net/car_sheet.php?id=115)
Challenger R/T RM '70 (http://www.mygranturismo.net/car_sheet.php?id=167)
Whether or not they are included is up to someone else but for the sake of discussion I have to ask why? No challenger or camaro were entered in the 24 hrs for 1969, 1970 or 1971. Plus the original list is made of sports cars not pony cars turned into racers. We have alpines and alfas that would be more fitting, as they were entered into the actual races back then. Curiosity is getting the better of me. So I had to ask. Oh yeah I am interested in the Ferrari or the Mk IV
I can somewhat understand including them...only because they're old 'race' cars. They were however, never meant to compete in anywhere near them same field though, were they? I would be surprised if they were actually competitive in that field. Sure, they may be able to get to 600PP, but that doesn't mean they can keep up, especially in a proper race track, with mid engine race bread cars with better aero.
edit: I would be surprised if the Chevrolet Corvette C2 Z06 doesn't get embarrassed here too.
Turbo hit my thought process on the head, but in addition to that it also serves to expand the number of selectable cars. They are old race cars, they fit in to no other place. They may be pony cars built into race cars but they are period representations of them. As for whether they will be competitive, well I have raced the 69 Camaro against the 69 GT-40 and had a very good race (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/battousaiofnphiles/GT4%20Pics/CircuitdelaSarthe2005_1.jpg) so I can attest to the 69 Camaro being able to hold it's own with those cars. The Challenger...not so much, I have no experience with that car personally but I have seen others do some interesting things with it including but not limited to beating the Camaro fairly regularly.
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Yes they are old race cars but inaccurate to the target. While there are other cars available, if expansion of original list is needed, that would be more appropriate in my eyes. Honestly the orignal list seemed sufficient to me. But in trying to see the other side I had to ask.
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I feel like the original list is sufficient. Since the Camaro and Challenger are RM cars, their aerodynamics won't be anywhere near as good as the other race cars. As to the Toyota 7, it will blow the doors off every other car (stock it is over 700PP if I remember correctly).
If interest in this event is high enough we could run 2 separate classes for the lower performing vehicles like the GT350, Alfa race car, etc. (actually seen this done before)
But for now I'd prefer to just keep it limited to the original list, as well as the 2 RM cars (but only if some people really want to run them).
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Sounds good want either the Ferrari or the Mark IV.
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I did some offline testing yesterday (in practice mode) using Race Hard tires. Most of the cars I was able to clock in the mid to high 3:30s (just took each car around for 2-3 laps). I had aero turned up all the way and the transmissions set to get the top speeds correct for Mulsanne, but otherwise left the cars alone.
The RM Camaro impressed me, and it was almost able to hang. The RM Challenger though, I'm not sure it can. The Corvette Z06 was able to keep pace with the Le Mans "specific" race cars too.
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If we are still rattling this idea around, i'll take the GT40 :)
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You got it buddy! Yeah I still want to organize and host this. Will start "fishing around" for a good time soon. ;D
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You got it buddy! Yeah I still want to organize and host this. Will start "fishing around" for a good time soon. ;D
I'll be there! lol...suppose this means i need to practice a bit eh? ;)
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Seriously, practice?
Iverson Practice! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI#)
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Okay looks like we have at least 8 people interested. Could people please state what dates are best for them? Due to race length I think most people would prefer to do this on a weekend. Please state what are good times for everyone involved, between the dates of April 20th and June 10th. BTW May 18th-20th is off the table for me. For now assume the tentative date is May 6th (just using as a starting point). The list of people that have shown interest is as follows:
TheHotStepper - XJ13
WolfpackS2k - 330P4 or Mark IV
TunaPhreak
ChromeTuna - 2D
Tuna_Wiz
Metal - GT40
BakedTuna
Turbo-Tuna - 330 P4
original post updated.
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I'm interested in this one. Not sure which car, but i'm leaning towards the Mark IV.
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I like Friday nights. That may weekend isn't good racing time though for me, as well as May 4 weekend.
My first choice for car would be the 330 P4
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I like Friday nights.
:stoopid:
I think I'll try the 2D. That thing has been collecting a lot of dust.
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Good feedback so far.
After we settle on a date I will set a deadline for vehicle choice. But for now you can change your mind if you like ;D
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I like Friday nights. That may weekend isn't good racing time though for me, as well as May 4 weekend.
My first choice for car would be the 330 P4
Damn, I forgot I have commitments starting Friday nights soon, which will last all summer (some kind of softball league).
So Friday nights actually aren't good for me. I guess Saturday is my preference. :-[
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Alright, it's time to set a date!
Please tell me which of these 2 you prefer: May 12th or June 10th. If neither of these dates don't work please say so!
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I have a hard time making Sunday races, so i gotta go with May 12rd.
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may 12 works well for me (depending on the start time)
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I'd say May 12 (mainly because it's sooner.)
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I'd say May 12 (mainly because it's sooner.)
:stoopid:
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I prefer May 12th as well.
If we were to do it that day would you guys prefer late afternoon (4-5) or after "dinner" (8-9)? I don't know what my plans will be that day but an educated guess says that I will be out at the pool that day and out drinking that night :angel:
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after dinner is preferred for me, i usually work in the am
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I am an evening racer.
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Much as I'd love to join this .... the May date puts me "in transit" back to Canada......bummer
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we'll catch you next time!
BTW since we seem decided on May 12th I would like to ask everyone to finalize their vehicle selection by May 1st
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Ford GT40
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The night time is the right time.
Ferrari 330 P4
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I will try and race this one. Not going to promise I will be there though.
GT 40 for me.
P.S. O.P. doesn't have start time.
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What's a good start time for everyone? How is 8pm EST for race start, with practice starting at 7 and Qualifying starting at 7:30?
Let me know
(I will take note of your vehicle picks and update in OP).
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Works for me.
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Sounds good to me.
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Is it too late to get in? I will pick a car by this weekend...
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Is it possible to make it even a half hour later?
clarification: "The night time is the right time." is referring to real life time. In no way am I suggesting an in game night race.
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Is it possible to make it even a half hour later?
clarification: "The night time is the right time." is referring to real life time. In no way am I suggesting an in game night race.
Original time and this works for me as well :) looks like i'll have some competition lol, 3 GT40's!
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Ya Metal you are in be trouble! It's going to be a one two three finish for the GT40's. (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
P.S. If i'm not last I will be very surprised! :'(
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P.S. If i'm not last I will be very surprised! :'(
Don't worry... I plan on being there so you should be good... ;D
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That blue GT40 is a beast. A real challenge to keep pointing straight out of tight corners. It's power and weight don't help it much either. I tested the 330 P4, Corvette, and GT40 last night, and rank them in that order. The GT40 is slow and tempermental, the Corvette is faster (though it takes more work) and harder on tires, and the 330 is fastest and just right. From other guys I've gathered that some of the other cars are very good too. Interesting race setup.
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Am I reading the OP right in that all cars are to be run stock (engine/weight wise)?
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I'll answer because I'm here...Yeah, that's what he said (again) last night. We can go crazy with aero, suspension, tranny, diff...whatever...but stock engine and weight. I guess this is why I'm a bit hard on the GT40.
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In for the XJ, this should be fun!
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Am I reading the OP right in that all cars are to be run stock (engine/weight wise)?
That is correct Fried. PP will vary a bit between vehicles but for this event no performance enhancement is allowed. Of course there is no way to enforce that...but we're Tunas so naturally that's not a worry ^-^
Fried, are you interested at all?
Ronin, you haven't replied since page 1 so I'm guessing you are not interested?
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Not sure... Still need to run some cars.
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Not sure... Still need to run some cars.
You don't need no stinking practice.
I haven't even started up the 2D. (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
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Anytime I hear the word practice I have AI in my head. One of the best soundbites ever.
Anyway, practice for me will be two or three laps prior to the race. It's more fun that way.
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Practice makes Perfect. BUT then... Flaws build Character...
That CharlieTuna, what a FUCKING character... ;)
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(http://i.imgur.com/XG2AXM2.jpg)
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(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/Karma5000/fr.jpg)
Frank the Bunny told me to drive the XJ13...
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About tuning...
they all come with LSD, full-adjust suspension and full-adjust transmission. but you're saying "no adjustment" to these, right?
if you're running with chicanes that is probably fine but without chicanes (which is what I thought I read) you'll be bouncing your throttle all the way down Mulsanne straight -- unless you alter topend or FD.
just sayin'...
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I thought I read we could tune the cars, we just couldn't throw on any power adders.
Some clarification might be in order.
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:stoopid: I'm guessing no power adders is what was ment. Just guessing though.
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Sorry for any confusion (and for not replying sooner - was a crazy weekend).
All cars come stock with full adjust ability so you do whatever you like within those ranges. Sniper is correct - no power adders or weight reduction measures. So you can do whatever you like to the aerodynamics, suspension, drivetrain and transmission.
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:2tu thanks!!!
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Still never got a chance to try the cars. Only one I've ever driven is the Ferrari, so I'm going with that. (http://i.imgur.com/Gv2Zeu6.gif)
Fried - Ferrari 330 P4
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Though I didn't try the GT40 or Vette; here is my reconnaissance info.
Chaparral 2D - just don't get slowed or stopped, it takes a bit to accelerate to power band.
Ferrari 330P - seems fastest but it is also the slipperyest. Takes alot of work.
Ford Mark IV - meh... was not impressed
Jaguar XJ13 - lowest PP overall but easiest to drive and keep on the track, not alot of work so 35 laps should be relatively easy
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Looks like I picked the right one then.
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Sounds good Fried! I'll make the change in the OP.
Though I didn't try the GT40 or Vette; here is my reconnaissance info.
Chaparral 2D - just don't get slowed or stopped, it takes a bit to accelerate to power band.
Ferrari 330P - seems fastest but it is also the slipperyest. Takes alot of work.
Ford Mark IV - meh... was not impressed
Jaguar XJ13 - lowest PP overall but easiest to drive and keep on the track, not alot of work so 35 laps should be relatively easy
I'll add to that. While I love the GT40 it is very difficult to drive in this game...on default settings. With a dedicated tune it is pretty competitive but for some reason it suffers a little on the top end. Despite similar power ratings to other race cars it's 3-5 mph slower down Mulsanne. The Corvette C2 is fast thanks to it's horsepower advantage but its also a bit heavier so it chews up tires quickly and is susceptible to power on oversteer.
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Okay the deadline has passed so nobody can change vehicles. Also still need Baked to announce his vehicle choice! :P
See you all Saturday, wahoo! :laugh
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I completely forgot when this is. Coincidnetally, it's the only weekend I have nothing planned. I look forward to this one. This will be the longest single race I've done online. I'm pretty sure the next longest would have been a 20 lap race here in GT300, at around 1hour 25min.
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Damn. For some reason I thought this was starting earlier in the day. I just reread the OP and see it's starting at 8:30. Don't cross me off the list just yet but I'm fairly certain I won't be able to make it.
Also...
Current Sign Up Sheet
BakedTuna - weinermobile
(http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
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Unfortunately the Weinermobile will not be making a showing. Baked has had to withdrawl :(
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I've had a request to move the race start back to 8, instead of 8:30. Is that a possibility for all parties? I only ask to see if any circumstances have changed for people as the time has gone by. It was originally Turbo that requested the 8:30 start. Please state your opinion on this.
But please remember that unless I very clearly state it, the start date is still 8:30PM (EST). :P
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If I can make 8:30 then I should be able to make 8:00. Won't know for sure until Saturday whether I can make either time.
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I'm good for 8 or 8:30.
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Starting at 8 increases my chances of being able to participate significantly, though still not guaranteed.
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Good replies thus far...Turbo, what say yee? You still need that 8:30 start?
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If the kids go to bed easy, it should be fine. It's hard for me until 8 or 8:15 to really know for sure if I can race on any given night, unless I talk to wifey about it first, which I haven't yet. 8pm is the kids' bed time, and they both get reading. However, wifey should be able to handle it on her own once this week.
So, I don't know yet.
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I should be fine to go at 8pm. I may not have much time for Q, but that doesn't matter. I've had practice, and I'll try to get a few laps in before Saturday night.
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Okay, then we're back on for 8. Bump everything back a half hour. And yes I would agree that Qualifying position should not have a very large influence on finishing order in this race. (if any at all).
SCHEDULE (EST):
7PM - PRACTICE
730PM - QUALIFYING
8PM - RACE START
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whose lounge?
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whose lounge?
I nominate HostTuna. :)
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That sounds good. Are there any volunteers to host the network? If some of you guys recall the last time I hosted a room (Japanese 90s Sports Car - Indy Road Course) it was a disaster. So if there are any volunteers please say so :P
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whose lounge?
I nominate HostTuna. :)
Uh... It is "booked" for the Drive-In. Wanna guess again? ;D
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whose lounge?
I nominate HostTuna. :)
Uh... It is "booked" for the Drive-In. Wanna guess again? ;D
TuTuTuna. ;)
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One of you can host it in my lounge. I believe I'm PSN friends with everyone signed up? I'll double check when I get home later.
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I can host it in the OPEN... :D
:wec
(been a wile since i've gotten to BOOT anyone... Charlie will handle any riff raff who show up. ;) )
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That will work I suppose! Post up the number as soon as you can tomorrow!
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This is last minute thinking, but any chance we could throw a red flag caution if someone gets discoed and reset the race?
I only ask, because two hours of racing is a lot to ask for with the performance of the servers we have to work with. I know I would be pretty pissed if I got bounced at the start, which has happened to me more than it should. I know there is the whole mechanical failure idea, but some guys put in a lot of practice and have limited time to race with everyone. It would be a shame for someone to loose out because of connection issues that may not have been their own.
Just a thought anyway.
See you all out there. <Crossing fingers for no connection issues>
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TuTuTuna or open room?
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TuTuTuna or open room?
Either or works just fine for me...do we have any intel on which room may have the stronger connection? do open rooms get more bandwidth (or whatever) to handle players better than private lobbies?
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Any opening for late entry?
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Any opening for late entry?
I'm sure we can accommodate, seeing as the field is not full...and IMHO, the more the Merrier
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the more the Merrier
:stoopid:
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the more the Merrier
:stoopid:
No idea why i capitalized "merrier"...
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the more the Merrier
:stoopid:
No idea why i capitalized "merrier"...
It obviously means a lot to you. :laugh
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Come on in Ryvler! ;D
Charlie, TuTu is good unless someone can't make it. If anyone entered for this race is not PSN friends with me I suggest you friend me!
Sniper, I'm open to a red flag stop for discos but do you think it will be easy to do those without someone supervising the race?
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whats your PSN username wolfpack?
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whats your PSN username wolfpack?
dawson864
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TuTuTuna is up and running! I don't want to host though, so as soon as someone with a "strong" network connection comes in I'm going to exit and re-enter.
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TuTuTuna is up and running! I don't want to host though, so as soon as someone with a "strong" network connection comes in I'm going to exit and re-enter.
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We will discuss the red flag issue pre-race. I'm open to it but I just want everyone to be on the same page with no confusion.
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Awesome race everyone. Thanks Dawson and company. A really cool part was that as far as lap 24, all three Ferraris were in contention for the win. Then I crashed away thirty seconds, Rylvir had a few mistakes that dropped him back from Fried I think, and Fried just kept getting faster.
Good job guys.
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Awesome race everyone. Thanks Dawson and company. A really cool part was that as far as lap 24, all three Ferraris were in contention for the win. Then I crashed away thirty seconds, Rylvir had a few mistakes that dropped him back from Fried I think, and Fried just kept getting faster.
Good job guys.
:stoopid: i had a blast just trying to keep my car in a straight line!!!! i got reeeeeeeeallly frustrated in the first lap, and then got taken out by a lag spike while right in the middle of Dawson and Chrome. After that i think i was driving frustrated, and once i settled in good laps followed suit. *note to self....test the cars before picking one...lol*
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Thanks to everyone that showed up! That race was a lot of fun and I hope everyone enjoyed piloting this classic machinery :D
From my point of view there was a lot of close wheel to wheel action and minimal vehicular carnage. Hat's off to Fried for another brilliant victory! Your lap times were red hot all the way to the end. The 330 P4 podium sweep was impressive, though I still feel like the XJ and Mark IV have the ability win as well. Without further ado the official race results:
1 Fried_Tuna - 330 P4 Race Car '67 - 2:07:47.518
2 GTP_Rylvir - 330 P4 Race Car '67 - 2:08:37.804 +50.286
3 Turbo-Tuna - 330 P4 Race Car '67 - 2:08:45.573 +58.055
4 dawson864 - Mark IV Race Car '67 - 2:09:12.342 +1:24.824
5 Chrome_Tuna - 2D Race Car '67 ~2:11:xx.xxx +3:15.xxx
6 DesertSniper72 - Mark IV Race Car '67 ~2:13:xx.xxx +4:20.xxx
7 GTP_FLASH48 - GT40 Race Car '69 - one lap down
8 CharlieTuna - XJ13 Race Car '66 - two laps down
9 Metal - GT40 Race Car '69 - three laps down
10 Tuna_Wiz - GT40 Race Car '69 - DNF ("mechcanical" failure on lap 5)
11 TunaPhreak - XJ13 Race Car '66 - DNS
12 TheHotStepper - XJ13 Race Car '66 - DNS
Thanks again to everyone for coming and remember...test drive your vehicle before showing up race day (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)
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Yes close racing. I think I heard some guys in the back half if the field racing each other, and there was lots of racing between me, Fried, Rylvir, Sniper, and Dawson (though not all at once) I never took damage or real loss of pace from contact, but I think there was some minor bumps a few times. It was fun.
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yeah I just wanted to mention that for a few laps around 14-16 me and Sniper were bumper to bumper. Lots of fun! Then had something similar to that with you Turbo, around laps 31-33 if I recall correctly.
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That was one hell of a race. There was definitely some racing for position almost the entire race. I was on a shorter pit strategy than Turbo and Rylvir, which really had me worried, but it seemed to be working very well. Had maybe a 25 second lead on Turbo somewhere between lap 13 to 15 (i can't remember) and lost it going into the Porsche curves and that :fucking sand trap really blows! By the time I made it out, Turbo was all over my rear bumper. Thought my race was done now, as I needed that gap because I had to pit when he didn't (different schedule). After that pit stop, I just sucked it up and put my foot to the floor. My second to last stint I put down a 3'28.897 with mostly 29-30's.
Thanks a lot for puting this on. It was mucho (http://i.imgur.com/77rrgz2.jpg)
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My second to last stint I put down a 3'28.897 with mostly 29-30's.
Wow! Congrats Fried.
I probably averaged 37s, the best I had was low 34s. The transmission really kept the 2D from being what would otherwise be a great car. I wish I would have stretched out my first stint, as I found out after, as long as I didn't over drive it, I could get 9 laps out of a set of tires. That could've played a big role at the end. Regardless, I really enjoyed taking part in this nostalgic race.
Thanks WolfPack, and all the other racers. (http://i.imgur.com/77rrgz2.jpg) indeed.
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37's looooooooool!! i had that GT40 Running 40's at the best laps... still was great to see these cars out together!! i love these racecars and it was fun to be a part of it. I even tried to help Rylvyr out one lap pushing him all the way down the Musillaine Straight :P