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• American Classic TRANS-AM: October 12, 2012

[Revengel]

So I guess it begs to question:

Will tire wear be on or off for this?  While I love the idea of pit stops (and heck, heavy damage) I understand RickS95's point.

Don't change the rules for me.  That said, heavy damage would cause realistic pit stops.  Also, I haven't checked fuel usage (because I was so pissed about the tire wear), but that would be another cause for pit stops.  Some months ago Hey, Spec and I ran an enduro at DRC.  Each race was something like 90 minutes long.  Spec ran out of fuel twice, so it can be an issue. 

In a nutshell, I've always been hard on the tires.  But last night I was intentionally trying to save the tires and crashed on the 5th lap because the rears couldn't handle the power. 

I was in that Enduro driving for TKB.  Still have the Green Vette in the garage!


I drive very differently with tire wear on because I know I have to conserve them...and I hate spinning out.  I shoot for even wear.  That said I haven't taken the '63 for a spin at DRC (which is like my...4st favorite track?) so I can't speak to rear tire burn.  I'm getting 12+ laps on Mediums and 18+ on hards with solid 1:44-45 lap times. They creep up to 1:46 after about 8-10 laps and slowly creep up from there.

Anyone else for heavy damage?

[RickS95]

So I guess it begs to question:

Will tire wear be on or off for this?  While I love the idea of pit stops (and heck, heavy damage) I understand RickS95's point.

Don't change the rules for me.  That said, heavy damage would cause realistic pit stops.  Also, I haven't checked fuel usage (because I was so pissed about the tire wear), but that would be another cause for pit stops.  Some months ago Hey, Spec and I ran an enduro at DRC.  Each race was something like 90 minutes long.  Spec ran out of fuel twice, so it can be an issue. 

In a nutshell, I've always been hard on the tires.  But last night I was intentionally trying to save the tires and crashed on the 5th lap because the rears couldn't handle the power. 

I was in that Enduro driving for TKB.  Still have the Green Vette in the garage!


I drive very differently with tire wear on because I know I have to conserve them...and I hate spinning out.  I shoot for even wear.  That said I haven't taken the '63 for a spin at DRC (which is like my...4st favorite track?) so I can't speak to rear tire burn.  I'm getting 12+ laps on Mediums and 18+ on hards with solid 1:44-45 lap times. They creep up to 1:46 after about 8-10 laps and slowly creep up from there.

Anyone else for heavy damage?

I'm up for it, but we should probably let wolfpack decide on things, it's his evnet.

[RoninTuna]

 Now i don't feel to slow WolfpackS2k.


 P.S. Revengel you missed something last night! I still need help!

My thuderous bad...Wee Baby Sheamus (who I think will be my pit chief) was in need most of the evening.  That said here's what I recall from my setup on Race Hards - I did run some Race Mediums and...maybe it was the lateness of the hour...but I was only able to get down to a 1:44.023 for whatever reason.  Actually I think I know.  But I digress...

Camber:  1.9 - 1.3.
Toe:  Zeroes.
Ht: -10 front, -12 Rear.  This is a plan for the infield.
Spring:  13.0 Front, 10.5 (iirc) rear.  Have to update that tonight.
Dampers:  8/8, 7/7
Anti-Roll - 4/4

Aero - Max in front, 45 in rear.  I'll likely adjust that tonight as well.

Tranny - Tricked then set fina gear to 230 (for draft) or 215-220 for solo driving.


My est times are around 4:45.1x in Race Hards and I'm getting 18-20 laps out of them.


Hope that helps!

I see why guys are switching to iRacing.  Last week I did a little testing and ran however many laps with no tire wear.  Just wanted to get a good idea of what lap times I could expect.  At the time I was seeing high 42s.  Tonight I thought I'd run a few more laps, this time with tire wear on to see what lap times I could expect and how many laps I could get out of a set of tires.

I'm almost two full seconds a lap slower and I doubt I can get 10 laps out of the tires. 

As good as we think this game is, there's simply nothing realistic about it.  I think Gar has the right idea by running his series with tire wear turned off.  During a race it's literally impossible to run a full lap with tires at their optimum because at the start of the race you run the first lap from a stand still and by the time you're ready for your second lap, the tires are already showing wear.  Make a pit stop and you can't count the lap you pitted on because you have to slow down to make the pits and then then next lap is killed due to time in the pits and by the time you're ready for a full lap, your tires are showing wear again.

What a joke.   

Bare in mind also that when tire wear is off so too is fuel consumption. Basically when running with tire wear off you are running on an empty fuel tank making your car significantly lighter and faster. It was one of the many little quirks PD programmed in to accommodate/attract the more "Arcade style" racers.

[DudeTuna]

I don't feel so bad about my 45's now. 

[RickS95]

I don't feel so bad about my 45's now. 

I ran a few more laps last night before waving the white flag.  Went out nice and easy, used the torque to help me through the corners, broke early, and short shifted.  Ran 46s and 47s preserving the tires for 5 laps, noticed the ass end wanted to start coming around on lap 6. 

Went back to the garage and lowered the aero on both the front and back thinking it would extend tire life.  It did, sort of.  The extended life of the tires was offset by the lack of grip and associated tire wear of sliding. 

Went back the garage again and added some traction control...set it at 2.  Basically, did nothing.

I'm crying 'uncle.'

[Revengel]

I don't feel so bad about my 45's now. 

I ran a few more laps last night before waving the white flag.  Went out nice and easy, used the torque to help me through the corners, broke early, and short shifted.  Ran 46s and 47s preserving the tires for 5 laps, noticed the ass end wanted to start coming around on lap 6. 

Went back to the garage and lowered the aero on both the front and back thinking it would extend tire life.  It did, sort of.  The extended life of the tires was offset by the lack of grip and associated tire wear of sliding. 

Went back the garage again and added some traction control...set it at 2.  Basically, did nothing.

I'm crying 'uncle.'

Let me see what I can come up with.  Might be as simple as LSD (Frank Zappa would approve) being set to accomodate for HP and a lower rear end.

Try this:  Go full Aero, a tranny set at abouit 230 or so...the rear two inches lower than the front and an LSD of 13-25-11.  Actually strike the part about the rear end.

[AgentWD40_FL]

.  Actually strike the part about the rear end.

Correct.  If you have a twitchy rear that likes to come around, try adding +10 (or more) to get that rear in the air.  I have not run a single lap, so my response simply comes from my pocket .... however from what I've read here, it sounds like exactly what is needed. Lower numbers on torque/acceleration can/will help too, but thats just covering the source problem. If you find the rear-height that it wants to keep it inline with the front wheels, you can put alot of the numbers back into the trq/acc

Returning to observing the forum ... 

[Revengel]

.  Actually strike the part about the rear end.

Correct.  If you have a twitchy rear that likes to come around, try adding +10 (or more) to get that rear in the air.  I have not run a single lap, so my response simply comes from my pocket .... however from what I've read here, it sounds like exactly what is needed. Lower numbers on torque/acceleration can/will help too, but thats just covering the source problem. If you find the rear-height that it wants to keep it inline with the front wheels, you can put alot of the numbers back into the trq/acc

Returning to observing the forum ... 

Funny - I've normally lowered the rear in a number of cars as I tend to be a light braker.  I want that car to be balanced as I go through the turn so often by lowering the rear I can achieve a nutral ride hight just as I hit the turn.

That said I normally drive Miuras...!

[DudeTuna]

I might be up for some testing of this, this weekend. Any takers just spam some PSN PMs. 

[Wolfpack987]

I'm...alive!  I tell ya, these 9 day long vacations really take their toll 

Anyways, I need to start practicing for this soon!

And could anybody that hasn't chimed in please state whether or not October 12th works for them please???

Also, how do we add this evnet to the Tunas calendar?

[Wiz]

Also, how do we add this evnet to the Tunas calendar?

[CharlieTuna]

Re: adding to Calendar

Look at very bottom of the page when in the thread.  There is a button called "Link to Calendar".

Click it and then fill in the info requested on the page that pops up.

Also also, be sure to change date - it defaults to "today"...

[Wolfpack987]

LOL


perhaps I should petition to join Team Dolt 

[CharlieTuna]

I am a Team Dolt alumni, so - completely understand.

[DudeTuna]

I'm...alive!  I tell ya, these 9 day long vacations really take their toll 

Anyways, I need to start practicing for this soon!

And could anybody that hasn't chimed in please state whether or not October 12th works for them please???

Also, how do we add this evnet to the Tunas calendar?

Lets try and turn some laps this weekend.