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Online Events => Other Online Events => Topic started by: dlrws6 on September 19, 2012, 06:20:32 PM
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The Oval Series Without a Cool or Funny Name
Round 4: Indy Superspeedway
When 2-6-13
100 laps (about 1 hour)
10 minute Qualifying (drafting permitted), light Damage, No Cautions
No Bump Drafting
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1. Daytona Superspeedway (100 laps) November 7th completed
2. Twin Ring Motegi Super Speedway (100 laps) December 5th completed
3. Route X (10 laps) (No Damage)(No Cautions) January 9th completed
4. Indianapolis Motor Speedway (100 laps) February 6th
5. Tokyo Short Track (100 laps) February 13th [No points, no pit stops, about 30 minutes]
Light damage
Weak Draft
Normal Fuel & Tire wear
Medium and Soft racing tires
No Bump Drafting
Cautions:
To help reduce the frequency, cautions are now a maximum of 4 laps, or less, and car vs. car collisions. Accidental single car wall collisions, unless caused by two or more cars colliding, will not count towards calling a caution. As before race back to the start finish, and restarts are also at the start finish line. Cars not caught up to the pack or still on pit road at the end of Lap 4 will have to race their way back up. Lapped cars are permitted to pass the leaders and circle around to rejoin the lead lap. Finally pit road will stay open for the entire caution period. Race leader, if possible, please call out lap count (Ex: 2 to go, 1 to go, coming to green, or similar)
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What's happended so far.
Round 1:
Pole LastleafFan
Results
1. LastleafFan 17 points
2. Agent WD40_FL 15 points
3. dlrws6 14 points
4. Dude_Tuna 13 points
5. TurboTuna 12 points
6. GrilledTuna 11 points
7. WolfpackS2k 10 points
Round 2:
Pole LastleafFan (27.868)
Results
1.GrilledTuna 16 points
2.DudeTuna 15 points
3.LastleafFan 15 points
4.AgentWD40-FL 13 points
5.dlrws6 12 points
6.WolfpackS2k 11 points
Round 3:
No Qualifiying
Results
1.DudeTuna 16 points
2.AgentWD40-FL 15 points
3.dlrws6 14 points
4.GrilledTuna 13 points
5.WolfpackS2k 12 points
Current Standings after 3 of 4 rounds
1.DudeTuna 44 points
2.AgentWD40-FL 43 points
3.GrilledTuna 40 points
dlrws6 40 points
5.WolfpackS2k 34 points
6.LastleafFan 32 points
7.TurboTuna 12 points
The following cars are eligible for the series. Other than what is stated below tuning and all part upgrades are approved
All cars set to 900kg.
Nissan R92CP (716hp)
Nissan R89C (750hp)
Sauber Mercedes C9 (725hp)
Toyota 88CV (719hp)
Mazda 787B (standard, premium and stealth) (681hp)
Jaguar XJR-9 LM (standard and premium) (744hp)
Peugeot 905 (744hp)
Please sign up and declare your car. Season long participants will have event positions reserved. If we have open grid slots any one wanting to join in for a single event will be welcome to join in.
Points will be awarded for pole position and finishing position.
Series champ receives a prize car or ticket.
Pole - 1 point
1st - 16 points
2nd - 15 points
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16th - 1 point
Participants (Cars)
1. dlrws6 (R92CP)
2. LastLeafFan (905)
3. AgentWD40-FL (XJR-9)
4. Dudetuna (C9)
5. WolfpackS2k (787B)
6. TurboTuna (maybe)(787B)
7. GrilledTuna (88CV)
8.
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I'm in but I don't have a car just yet. I'm looking for a couple in particular.
I am good to go most weeknights after 9:00. I will be away with the family for vacation the last 2 weeks of October. Back on the 28th.
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I may be interested, pending race time/day.
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I'm interested. I have to find a car and like Chrome the time/day.
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Let me try and narrow it down a little then. Its a ways off but how does either Friday November 2nd at 9PM eastern or Saturday November 3rd at 5pm Eastern sound?
Using Saturdays the race should pretty well fit in between the Matinee and Drive In. Or I think Friday nights would work well except once a month it would conflict with TGIF. :(
I would try for early October but I want to give anybody who wants to race time to get a car. At 5mil a piece and/or a level 23 ticket, they are not the easiest cars to get. I guess the good news is, once you get the one you want and time is running out, they all run pretty well without a tune. :copz:
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I will vote for Friday :) , but I'm good with either day.
Now I need to get a car and get on track. :) For DSS what kind of lap time should we be shooting for?
Also, the racing tires are hard only or any?
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dlrws6, check your PM's please.
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Any racing tires. As far as lap times, I'll have to check my notes at home tonight. But rough guess
34 seconds a lap or close to it on racing hards.
Update: Bad guess, it's actually in the 42 to 41 second range depending on tune.
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Saturdays are out for me and Fridays are tough as well, with 2 boys and 1 tv it's hard to get tv time. School nights are better. As far as I can tell Mondays and Wednesdays are free.
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Good news, I have all but two of the car choices.
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I'll be watching this thread, and cars are no problem. I also have no problem sending level23 tickets .... its nice to have multiples in your items. 2 or 3 flips for the price of 1.
Now is the time to start requesting ...... :jimi:
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I'm in the market for a couple more tickets if you have a spare.
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Your on the list .... send me a FR .... AgentWD40_FL
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I need to make a correction from earlier. Lap times at Daytona should be 42 to 41 second range depending on tune. Maybe a high 40 second lap. Any thing below 40 and I messed up some where and may need to adjust. In testing I saw all cars producing times within .3 seconds a lap of each other. But I admit these cars were a pain to balance. The rules back when these cars were built were very open and despite their looks they are very different from each other.
EDIT: Based on the latest GT5 news. After Sep 25 I may need to adjust the tire rules, based on PDs update. I should have that settled by the following weekend.
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40 to 42 cool
Throw everything out after update and start over. Check. (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
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Your on the list .... send me a FR .... AgentWD40_FL
Thanks agent, I will do that later tonight.
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Thanks agent, I will do that later tonight.
FR Received .... Ticket sent ..... ^-^
Anyone else, just ask!
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Thanks Agent, I got it and I would like to thank everyone that sent me tickets. I spent about an hour looking for cars last night and did get an R89C which was great but I wanted a few to test. I kept getting the 89 over and over again and have to stop my attempts to copy back my data.
I would have been happy to use up more tickets but I don't want 3 x 89's.
What a system, the same cars showing up over and over again.
I will have to try again tonight.
I have been looking for an R390 road car since Dude and myself took part in the Manufacturers Series months ago :facepalm
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Let me try and narrow it down a little then. Its a ways off but how does either Friday November 2nd at 9PM eastern or Saturday November 3rd at 5pm Eastern sound?
Neither of those days works for me. It's homecoming for NCSU so I'll be tied up till Sunday that weekend. Like LLF suggested weekdays are preferable to me. However please add me to the list! I'm in! (if the date works)
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Let me try and narrow it down a little then. Its a ways off but how does either Friday November 2nd at 9PM eastern or Saturday November 3rd at 5pm Eastern sound?
Neither of those days works for me. It's homecoming for NCSU so I'll be tied up till Sunday that weekend. Like LLF suggested weekdays are preferable to me. However please add me to the list! I'm in! (if the date works)
Ok so far that puts us 50/50 on race days, so I'll re-think my dates. I have two questions though. Those who prefer weekdays can you do earlier than 9 eastern say a start time of 8 eastern? Second for those who prefer the weekend would weekdays be impossible or could it work? With this being spaced so far apart I have no issues with keeping each event date flexible to make it easier to work around peoples schedules and other online events.
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I guess I'm fine anytime on the weekend and any weekday after 9pm eastern.
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^^thanks for your flexibility. As to week days anything after 6pm EST works for me. But for guys like DudeTuna on the west coast I would imagine anything before 9pm EST (like he mentioned) would be pretty tough.
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I went on again last night and had 10 level 23 tickets waiting for me. I want to thank everyone who sent me tickets it is very much appreciated, you guys are the best.
I only had to reload once as I got all of my cars with 8 tickets. I now have all of them plus an extra 787/B.
I took out two cars at their specs and was consistent 42:1xx for both. I did manage once to get a 41:944 but that was it. I did no other tuning but figure once I decide on a car I can play with it to run consistent 41's. I don't see any 40's happening though but you never know.
This should be fun and just so I know we will not be running any road courses so I can concentrate on ovals?
Thanks again guys for your generosity.
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I went on again last night and had 10 level 23 tickets waiting for me. I want to thank everyone who sent me tickets it is very much appreciated, you guys are the best.
I only had to reload once as I got all of my cars with 8 tickets. I now have all of them plus an extra 787/B.
I took out two cars at their specs and was consistent 42:1xx for both. I did manage once to get a 41:944 but that was it. I did no other tuning but figure once I decide on a car I can play with it to run consistent 41's. I don't see any 40's happening though but you never know.
This should be fun and just so I know we will not be running any road courses so I can concentrate on ovals?
Thanks again guys for your generosity.
Correct, there will be no road courses this time around. If every thing goes well with the oval series, then I hope to look at a longer road course series using the real world circuts. But, that will be some time next year and there are still a ifs and buts to sort out with the road course series. When the time comes I'll definitely be asking for help balancing the cars. I've done some very preliminary tests and the rules as they stand for ovals will not work on the road courses.
Also, in my own pursuit to pick a race car, I've been managing 41.3s on hard tires. Just for kicks I tried racing softs and I dropped to 41.1 and that was just with aero and tire changes. So I think a 40.9 might be found. Also FYI, so far I've found racing hard tires are good for about 30 laps. Racing soft tires are only good for about 15 laps. Keep in mind after the update on the 25th the tire wear and lap times could completely change.
Also, Also, How does Wendsday November 7th at 9pm eastern sound for round 1? With rounds 2, 3 and 4 tentatively set for the first Wednesday of December, January and February. Doing so would leave room for any one who wants to run a Daytona 500 or Daytona 24 evnet.
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That date would work well for me. I have been testing and got it down to 41:5xx with a slight change of aero and rear toe removed on hards. I did 10 laps to check for tire wear but my rears were getting a bit low, maybe 60% left. I need to figure out how to balance the wear.
Right now I will take the Peugeot 905 but may change later, doubtful but you never know.
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I went on again last night and had 10 level 23 tickets waiting for me. I want to thank everyone who sent me tickets it is very much appreciated, you guys are the best.
I only had to reload once as I got all of my cars with 8 tickets. I now have all of them plus an extra 787/B.
I took out two cars at their specs and was consistent 42:1xx for both. I did manage once to get a 41:944 but that was it. I did no other tuning but figure once I decide on a car I can play with it to run consistent 41's. I don't see any 40's happening though but you never know.
This should be fun and just so I know we will not be running any road courses so I can concentrate on ovals?
Thanks again guys for your generosity.
Correct, there will be no road courses this time around. If every thing goes well with the oval series, then I hope to look at a longer road course series using the real world circuts. But, that will be some time next year and there are still a ifs and buts to sort out with the road course series. When the time comes I'll definitely be asking for help balancing the cars. I've done some very preliminary tests and the rules as they stand for ovals will not work on the road courses.
Also, in my own pursuit to pick a race car, I've been managing 41.3s on hard tires. Just for kicks I tried racing softs and I dropped to 41.1 and that was just with aero and tire changes. So I think a 40.9 might be found. Also FYI, so far I've found racing hard tires are good for about 30 laps. Racing soft tires are only good for about 15 laps. Keep in mind after the update on the 25th the tire wear and lap times could completely change.
Also, Also, How does Wendsday November 7th at 9pm eastern sound for round 1? With rounds 2, 3 and 4 tentatively set for the first Wednesday of December, January and February. Doing so would leave room for any one who wants to run a Daytona 500 or Daytona 24 evnet.
Glad to hear it LLF. It's nice to know that a school of fish can make short work of a difficult task. 8)
I just found that Sauber I was looking for. :jimi:
Also, The Wendsday November 7th at 9pm, sounds fine here.
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Awesome! Sounds like this date may be a keeper I'll update the main post with the start time and date in a day or two as long as no issues come up.
I think I'm going with the Nissan R92CP. I had some handling issues with it and almost went with XJR-9, but a shot in the dark camber change seemed to fix the issues I was having with it. Now I just gotta quit wall humping.
Also, some time between Wolf's Trans-Am race and Round 1 I may post an open practice night similar to the Undie Briefs. A couple of 30 or 40 lapers to help adjust to running these cars in a pack and if the car count is low for the series hopefully convince a few others to join in at least for some one offs, if not the entire series.
I'm looking forward to this. Large or small group, if all the testing I did was accurate, the racing is going to be fantastic. ;D
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I'm interested. The date isn't important. 9pm (east) start is important for me...I can't race early-evening. No clue what car I'd use. Probably one that is being avoided by others. I can't really guarantee my presence though.
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Y'all have fun, I can't commit to a series during the week.
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That date is good for me!
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It's too bad Chrome can't make it. If it helps I can't do weekends but considering it's once a month I could probably do Fridays.
We need more racers and the way I see it with Turbo we still only have 5. It would be nice to get at least 10. Come on guys lets make this work, it should be fun and close racing from my testing.
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I mean I'm flexible with weekends but its very hit or miss. I just never know more than a month out. 2-3 weeks I usually know.
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I'll be up for this. Weekdays would be a surety, whilest weekends (SaturDAY/SaturNIGHT/SunDAY) would be a crap shoot.
No idea of a car yet .....
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After some tuning I have got it down to 41:063 on hards and did 1 timed lap with softs and got a 40:994.
I'm starting to get there now.
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With 2.08 update it might be possible to use Racing Softs now.
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I agree, I wish they could have found a happy medium.
Does anyone know how far these cars will go on a tank of gas?
Maybe lock in softs to encourage tire wear?
I guess we need to test these cars again.
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I definitely agree that we should regulate tire compounds in order to ensure multiple pit stops!
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sigh... yes I think the update may have thrown my balancing out of wack. I know from the GTplanet speed test that there is a good chance the speeds have been bumped up a bit more that I would like to run. I'll do a full test tonight and make adjustments only if I absolutely have to keep them balanced.
Regarding tires I was getting 30 laps on hard tires and I'd have about a quarter of a tank left all in clean air, with fairly huge savings on tires and fuel in the draft. I'll find out tonight, but has any one tried a long run with the changes yet? Are the hard tires getting 40+ laps now?
So I guess I'm setting up a test room tonight. Any one who wants is welcome to join in.
PS. Regarding the date of the race. Obviously there has been some debate on when to run. Once I confirm there are no balance issues and/or make changes. I'll post the official date. At this moment I plan on sticking with the Wed. date. It may hurt overall attendance, compaired to running it on Friday but we do know it should work for the people that we have. What ever date I use I do apologize to any one who wants to run it but can't due to the date.
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Anyone do any testing with these last night. I'm just curious how much work testing these we have.
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Anyone do any testing with these last night. I'm just curious how much work testing these we have.
Yes.
(I should have written this shit down. I think dlrws6 did)
Racing Soft tires will last between 40/45 laps @ about 39.7 a lap
Racing Medium 40.5
Racing Hard whole lot o laps 40.5
It will come down to race length, fuel and tire strategy. Which I think is awesome. :)
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Dude,
Were you getting these kinds of times before the update? If so I've got a lot more work to do with my tune.
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Dude,
Were you getting these kinds of times before the update? If so I've got a lot more work to do with my tune.
Last night was my first trip on track with the Sauber Mercedes.
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I almost fell off my chair when I saw your times. I will have to give it a go maybe after tonight's race.
See you there.
Go Dolts Go!!!
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I was out there with the fellas last night as well. I also recorded similar times (high 39s) with the Sauber, 787B, Minolta and Nissans.
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I almost fell off my chair when I saw your times. I will have to give it a go maybe after tonight's race.
See you there.
Go Dolts Go!!!
Minimum aero and taller gears (higher top speed) are key.
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I had a chance on Monday to lower the aero and immediately got the times lower. I planned to tackle the gears next. From what I've read over at GTP these cars have gained quite a bit of speed without any aero.
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I had a chance on Monday to lower the aero and immediately got the times lower. I planned to tackle the gears next. From what I've read over at GTP these cars have gained quite a bit of speed without any aero.
I ran the aero as low as it would go. The car was fine on all racing tires. The soft tires actually seemed too grippy.
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Leaf, you were running good competitive times before the update. The aero change has caused a pretty high drop in times. I also suspect that tire grip has been increased slightly.
I'll check the 905 again tonight and make sure I did not miss any thing. If it matches up, I won't be making any changes to the balance of the cars except possibly for the XJR-9 which no one has picked yet. It may get a very small HP boost, maybe 2 or 3 HP. I know that does not seem like much but I've discovered that these cars can be very sensitive to small weight and HP changes.
I want to do some more tire testing. I have an idea that I believe will add another dimesion/prize/bonus point to the race for those wishing to attempt it not to mention it just seems a perfect fit to the originally real world concept of what Group C was supposed to be. :D. Long story short I really want to find a way to make all 3 racing tires available in the race.
I will have everything squared away by the end of the week.
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After the race last night I took out my Peugeot for a few laps with softs and was consistent 39:7 and up. Always in the upper 39 range. I kind of like the extra speed, i figured about 10 mph. This should be a lot of fun and personally I wouldn't slow them down any more.
We just need a few more people to get a large pack going 230mph.
Come on Tuna's, everyone into the poool.
Maybe in a couple of weeks we could do a 60 lapper to get a taste of the real thing. Open to anyone that wants to try these cars.
Just a thought.
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I've already decided to not slow them down. Speeds are up about 10mph but I think even in a mutli-car draft speeds should stay in the 240-250mph range and I'm ok with that.
I have made one tweak. I gave the XJR-9 a few more HP, it is now set at 744hp. The front post has been amended. I don't know if it was the update or if I wrote something down wrong in testing but after the update it became the slowest car by a little over a tenth of a second.
I'm totally in favor of an open 60 lap test race, maybe even a pair of them. Perhaps the week after Wolf's enduro?
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I'm on holiday from Oct. 16th to the 28th. Any other time is good for me.
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Race rules are now finalized. After additional testing I've decided all race tire compounds will be usable. If anyone manages to complete the race without making a pit stop of any sort will get bonus points and possibly a 1000 ticket. See the first post for details.
The only items on my list that are left are to figure out how to add the event to the calender. (It's been ages since I last did it) Also, since PD decided to add drafting to free run, I've come up with an idea for NASCAR style single car qualifying. If I can find time over the next too weeks, I'd like to try and get a group of 5 or 6 people together to try it out. I think it is a very workable proposition except it may be too time consuming. Below is a short description:
1. All drivers "enter course" but do not start driving. (Except for 1/host)
2. One driver/host enters "watch race"
3. The watcher calls/types out each driver one by one down the list.
4. Drivers name is called out and driver procedes to run the designated laps or lap. (example: 1 warm up lap 1 hot lap)
5. At the end of drivers run, driver exits to pit road and next name is called.
6. lather rinse and repeat for each driver.
7. At the end the watcher enters course and makes their qualifying run.
8. Upon completion the race is started
It seems like a lot but if it works it may add a little extra sim feel to some of the oval events that are run. Well as long as it does not take too much time. :)
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Open the post; at the bottom of the page is a "Link to Calendar" button. Change the date because it defaults to "today"...
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I believe if you turn collisions "off" under settings that there is no drafting in free run mode.
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Thanks Charlie, that worked. :laugh
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Is anyone into a practice race for this or a few shorter ones. I'm thinking Wednesday at 9:00 ET.
Maybe some people who are on the fence about this can check it out to see if they want to enter the series (Hey Turbo wink wink).
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I think I could make a test race then.
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Need to check my garage for availables, but I might have to get going and flip some tickets for this one.
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Need to check my garage for availables, but I might have to get going and flip some tickets for this one.
They come from level 23 tickets, let us know if you need any. :)
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Thanks, but I think I have quite a few kicking around. Looking into it as we speak .. ^-^
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Need to check my garage for availables, but I might have to get going and flip some tickets for this one.
They come from level 23 tickets, let us know if you need any. :)
:stoopid:
I can contribute tickets to any one who needs them.
Also, I'm in for Wednesday. I threw out my tune from the last test session and need to test my new one.
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Also, Also, no wall humping
(http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq40/dlrws6/Superspeedway-Daytona-4.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif) I've been dying to use that picture
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Is anyone into a practice race for this or a few shorter ones. I'm thinking Wednesday at 9:00 ET.
Maybe some people who are on the fence about this can check it out to see if they want to enter the series (Hey Turbo wink wink).
I might be 10 or 20 minutes late to the party. Let me know it that is okay?
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I'm good with that, I will be on a little after 9 myself.
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There is a good chance I can attend. Which track are we going to run?
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I would think Daytona, it's the only one I've worked on.
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Put me in for the Jaguar XJ ... not gonna have alot of time before practice tomorrow to flip tickets and have a ready car. No one else is using it so far, so I was thinking variety, what I have available ... rather than what I was shooting for.
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Great, I.m glad you're back with the living with your game Agent.
You can always commit to a car later. Just grab one and jack up the ride height and lower the aero all the way and good to go.
I'm going to assume that Hosttuna's lounge will be free tomorrow?
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Great, I.m glad you're back with the living with your game Agent.
Well, I hope so! 8) I was only able to poke around alittle with game saves before heading for work, but everything seemed to be working normally. I'll be at the TuTu tonight for further crossing of fingers.
I'll have the Jag XJ Premium for the practice, but kinda wish I had the standard version. I remember when the premium came out, I thought the standard was better. Was awhile ago tho ....
Wednesdays is usually RDR with the TunaBoysPosse, but I need some practice with ya'all for this. :D
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Good call on the TuTu. I'm going to join in the shuffle tonight too. ^-^
Either HostTuna or dlrws6 lounge would do.
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10-4 on the Jag. If you change your mind let me know or if you need extra level 23 tickets let me know.
also, feel free to use dlrws6 lounge. I'll be on, but I don't know the exact time so go on in and make yourself comfortable.
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Send me an FR please?
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FR sent
Also for any one who wants to try out the cars I have all but the R92 shared.
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Anyone out there want to give this a shot tonight. Around 9:00 ET.
Could be fun if we can get a few more.
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Anyone out there want to give this a shot tonight. Around 9:00 ET.
Could be fun if we can get a few more.
I woke up feeling like crap this morning. I'm at 50/50 whether I make it or not. It's only about 20 minutes for 50 laps though.
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How long are the races roughly?
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Tonight I don't know. Leaf is the man with the plan.
All the full lenght races will be about 1 to 1 half hour except possibly motegi. Motegi may go to two full hours. If there are a lot of cautions it could take longer but these cars are pretty well planted to the ground.
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Oh well. :(
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I think we were looking at around 50-60 laps. I would guess around 40 minutes.
I don't want to step on any toes Dlr but just threw it out there as an option for some practice, it's is very much your thing and I will go with the flow.
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I think we were looking at around 50-60 laps. I would guess around 40 minutes.
I don't want to step on any toes Dlr but just threw it out there as an option for some practice, it's is very much your thing and I will go with the flow.
Don't worry about it. No toes stepped on here. If it leads to good fun and good racing its usually a good thing. (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
I just was not sure if Brindle was asking about tonight or the series overall, so I provided what I could in the two minutes that was left of my lunch hour. :D
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I'm down for 9pm tonight if the race is less than 50 min long.
I'm split between the Sauber and 787B, however in my testing the Silver Arrow is faster every time. So I'll be showing up in the C9 tonight.
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I have to tell you guys that was a blast last night. 4 cars going about 230 for 50 laps with more lead changes than I can count. Trying to keep tabs of the other 3 while trying to stay off of the walls was exhausting. I couldn't imagine doing 100 laps with 10 cars.
I hope we can get more out for this as I see it as a lot of fun not to mention that we all must have finished within .250 seconds apart.
Thanks for restarting for me when I showed up a bit late. I wouldn't want to start the series without a practice race.
I hope we can fit in another like last night before Nov. 7.
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I agree .... another practice before Nov 7 would be ideal. I've got alittle ballast to play with that may help toward the end of a run, and I'd also like to get a full tire/fuel run.
Good times with you all, very informative and very fast. More than the 4 cars we had, your gonna have to peel my fingers from the wheel after 100 laps. (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
Jaguar held its own, so I'll be sticking with it ..... ;)
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I think the cars are very equal and it was anyone's race.
Good fun and I think it was a good idea to advertise elsewhere to get more people involved. I think we may have hit our limit at tunaland, too bad it should be fun with at least 10 cars.
That reminds me, I was wondering if anyone kept the replay. I'd love to see a shot from the pileup on the back straight. (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)
Dude I hope you feel better now, you were missed.
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I agree with everyone, that race was intense! A full length race with at least double the entrants will be quite riveting!
LLF I saved the replay so should be able to get some pics from that "lol" worthy crash (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
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What tires did you guys run and did you need a pit stop?
Also, thanks LLf I am rested and good.
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I'm glad you're better Dude, you missed a good one.
I believe 3 of the 4 started on mediums and 1 was on hards. I think we pitted around lap 32 but that was only because we had a few cautions and it seemed like a good idea.
I can't remember who but I think 1 of us went all 50 laps without a stop. I may be wrong about that, it was kind of crazy. After the race I thought, I never had time to even notice my lap times and top speed down the straights.
I believe the thinking was that we would need 1 stop for gas for sure and may as well change tires at the same time. I was getting used to the mediums and may try that route again.
We also need a plan for recruiting more drivers, 10 - 12 would be amazing.
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What little I do these days is all tunaland but I'll try posting the event and a link to here on the PSN this weekend. I have not posted there in at least two years, so no one there knows me unless some of the old 5P regulars are still there. So long story short I have no idea if it will help or not. I said it last night and I'll say it again if any you go on other sites/groups your more than welcome to advertise the event.
Also, I got the replay as well. The "big one" that all four of us were in did not actually look like much on the replay, but I got pictures of it and of the finish, that I'll try and post soon.
Also Also, In the big one every one took some damage and made a pit stop so technically we all pitted at least once. I can't speak for the others but I did not take on fuel on my pit stops and had plenty to go if the race had lasted beyond 50 laps. The furthest I've gone on fuel in testing is 65 laps in which I spent most of it in at least one cars draft.
Also, also, also, on a side note, I may switch cars. The R92 seems great on the other tracks but I can't seem to maintain a driving line with it at Daytona. At this point I'm thinking maybe the 787B or just accept that the R92, me and Daytona is not a good mix and just soldier through. :-\
Also, also, also, also, the racing was awesome. :D
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I posted the series over at the Planet.
We'll see if anything happens there. I don't know how many we are looking for but I would say the more the merrier.
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I ran the 50 lapper on hards, and they were looking and feeling really good, until the 4 car crash happened. Since I had to pit for damage, I stayed with a new set of hards, but took no gas. Because of the cautions, I had a little more than a 1/4 tank at race end.
The 4 car, turn 3, crash happened around lap 40? I think? Just before that I noticed a slight looseness in the low line between turns 1 and 2 ..... there is a dip there that will throw the car off balance. The rear almost came around on me in that spot. Even though the tire meter shows alot of tire left, some cars are very uncontrollable with even the slightest wear.
Good times ... fun fun!
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I posted the series over at the Planet.
We'll see if anything happens there. I don't know how many we are looking for but I would say the more the merrier.
I gave it a bump :)
I ran the 50 lapper on hards, and they were looking and feeling really good, until the 4 car crash happened. Since I had to pit for damage, I stayed with a new set of hards, but took no gas. Because of the cautions, I had a little more than a 1/4 tank at race end.
The 4 car, turn 3, crash happened around lap 40? I think? Just before that I noticed a slight looseness in the low line between turns 1 and 2 ..... there is a dip there that will throw the car off balance. The rear almost came around on me in that spot. Even though the tire meter shows alot of tire left, some cars are very uncontrollable with even the slightest wear.
Good times ... fun fun!
Good point I get caught out by that quite often.
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I posted the series over at the Planet.
We'll see if anything happens there. I don't know how many we are looking for but I would say the more the merrier.
Thanks leaf, I'll take as many as many racers as I can get. :)
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I was running most of the race on Race Medium tires, and maybe it had to do with my tune but the Sauber felt a bit unstable to me. If I pick this car for the race I will almost certainly be using RS tires I think.
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I've just updated the thread over at the planet. Made it a lot more appealing. Hopefully get some bites.
GT Planet ID: jimbobclay
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posted over there
same handle! :D
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Posted on the PSN under dlrws6 account.
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Just an FYI, it'll eventually get moved to the events section - http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/Gran-Turismo-Events/bd-p/22682 (http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/Gran-Turismo-Events/bd-p/22682)
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Just an FYI, it'll eventually get moved to the events section - http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/Gran-Turismo-Events/bd-p/22682 (http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/Gran-Turismo-Events/bd-p/22682)
Ah thanks good to know. Its been so long I had no idea they even had such a place. (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
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I will be on holiday the last 2 weeks of this month so I thought I would try to tune my car for Montegi. Boy that is going to be a fun race. No going flat out there. I can through turns 1 & 2 but no way at 3 & 4.
I got it down to low 28's and 1 lap at 27:941. I'm sure I can squeeze out a bit more but it's going to be hard work at this place.
Looking forward to the series, I guess we are looking at our field at this point. No bites anywhere else. Like my old man would say, "they don't know what they'll be missing".
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I think it is still a bit early. We definitely need to bump the threads a couple weeks before the first race though. :)
Also, Motegi (that name always reminds me of Mogwai) sounds exciting.
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Ya I know it's early but I really wish I was racing tonight but we have company and I'm making a full prime rib dinner with Yorkshire pudding and the works. I may even get lucky tonight. Have fun everyone.
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Ya I know it's early but I really wish I was racing tonight but we have company and I'm making a full prime rib dinner with Yorkshire pudding and the works. I may even get lucky tonight. Have fun everyone.
Good luck on getting lucky 8)
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mmmm Mogwai dinner... wait... what... DON'T EAT GIZMO!!!
I know its stupid. I'm just killing time before tonight's race. :P
Motegi and Indy should both be very interesting and completely different from Daytona and Route X
At Motegi running flat out is not an option turns 3 and 4 are just too tight. (although the FGT can do it) and if by any chance you find a way to run flat out, I'm pretty sure you'll wear out your tires in record time.
At Indy you can run flat out but you need downforce to do it. So I think the question will become how much downforce do you run. Do you go flat out all the way around or do you set the car up to lift slightly in the turns and maybe grab an extra miler per hour or two on the straights. Or risk making an extra pit stop for grippier tires and less down force? My experiences so far at Indy remind me a lot of the May Undie race.
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Anyone practicing this week?
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I might can friday. I'm in the middle of a home project that is taking up all my free time this week. I plan on getting a lot of practice next week and over the weekend.
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I know some are on vacation and its short notice, but is any one interested in a 50 lap practice race @ Daytona, Wed. 10-24 @9pm eastern. Or a 20 lap daytona followed by a 30 lap Fuji?
Its open to all not just series participants.
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Mark me down as a definite maybe. :)
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Sure, why not! 8)
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I don`t know if you have checked the PS forum thread.
Whiteydobow wants to join, but doesn`t have any cars. He said he will send a FR and that was two days ago.
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I think I can show up for this tonight. Depends as I'm supposed to do some brake work for a friend after work. I will post early this evening whether I will be showing up or not.
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Thanks Cip, I took a week off and I guess I've gotten a little lax on my event hosting duties. (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
A few quick small details.
practice will be in dlrws6 lounge.
If any one wants to try it out. You can get away with minimum tuning and still be competitive. Basicly drop all aero, set gears to 260 and ride height to max for daytona and you can run stock at Motegi.
sight back to work now. Lunch time is too short. :(
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I would love to be there but I hope everyone has a good time.
Great time so far. The weather in Myrtle is constantly 74 - 78 every day.
Played 3 rounds and getting better each day but not expecting miracles when I've now played 6 round this year and that includes 3 down here. Had a 93 today with a 42 on the front at Myrtle Beach National. Really nice course but I don't think I will ever get used to the grass, it's more like moss.
Have fun guys and I'll see everyone next week.
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LLF, if you're driving back to Canada you need to swing through Raleigh and say hey on your way back! I've got 2 extra bedrooms here. We can go test drive some Porsches ;D
Seriously though, I'm only 20 minutes off of I-95 8)
Sorry I didn't make the practice event tonight. I threw out my back moving furniture before and have spent the last few hours laying on the couch popping vicodin, aleve...pretty much whatever I can find around here. (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)
And LLF I believe you're complaining about the Bermuda grass! That's what golf courses use in the south as you can still play on it in the winter and it's very heat tolerant in the summer. It is thick though...and soft.
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I have fount that no matter where on the course I am I need to take one more club than usual.
We are flying or I would have stopped by for sure. I could never drive 16 hours with the family. My wife can't handle anything more than 3 hours in a car.
We flew out of Niagara Falls with Spirit. Only a little more than an hour from home and half the price.
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Sorry guys I did not mean to bail last night. My internet connection died and come to discover this morning that the rest of the town was out as well. I guess the local cable company had some sort of technical fart. Good news is everything seemed fine this morning.
Fuji er Motegie turned out to be about as interesting as I thought it would be. I'm looking forward to adding 130 laps to what we did last night and see who, if any one, tries harder tires.
Also, also, our short trial run on Daytona Road has lead me to want to squeeze in an event some time in December or January out side of the oval series, perhaps as non-points opening event to a road course series and maybe throw in a second class just for giggles. Kinda, sorta like a Daytona 24 hours, but no where near as long. Or... at least I'm seriously thinking about it. I'll probably need to check with a few people to make sure I don't step on any toes.
Also, also, also if anyone needs or wants them the Nissan and Toyota Group C cars are now available in the OCD. ;D
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Been quiet here lately and I was just checking that we are a go for the 1rd race this week?
I'm pumped and ready to go even if I haven't fired up the wheel for a few weeks.
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I'm still planning on showing up.
Pencil me in for the 787B plz.
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My participation is still somewhat unpredictable. We'll see. I think I'd run the Mazda...I could check to see what else I have.
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We are still a go. I'll update the front post with car choices.
Also, keep in mind for those not decided on a car, 3 of them (Nissans and Toyota) are in the OCD for a few more days.
Also, also, We got plenty of room if any one wants to join in for just this race. The whole thing should take about an hour and a half. (10 minutes qualifying, + 1 hour race, + few extra minutes for possible cautions)
Also, also, also, a few last minute notes/reminders about the race. (I may have mentioned before)
1.Re: Pit stops use the painted blend lines, you can go up onto the track in turns one and two but please maintain a low line, leaving room for the faster cars up high.
2.Re: qualifying, if our group stays as small as it currently is, we use standard qualifying procedures. Just please keep out of the draft of other cars. If we get a larger group or if every one just wants to we'll use a 5 lap qualifying race instead.
3. Use any combination of racing tire you want in the race.
4. I'll have the full Motegi details posted by this weekend.
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I'll see you Friday night, I'm ready.
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You will not be seeing me on Friday. However I will be there on Wednesday if you want to race with the rest of us. (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
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You will not be seeing me on Friday. However I will be there on Wednesday if you want to race with the rest of us. (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)
I see. Well then I shall see you all on Wednesday then. :)
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Well Wednesday and Friday for some of us. Friday is TunaCup @ Daytona Road 8)
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dlrws6, how will the updates affect this race? Especially since you can vary the tire wear...this could have a large impact.
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My guess is normal is what we have most recently been on, fast or very fast is what we were on prior.
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Always nice to wake up to a tire and physics change the day before a long highspeed race. (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
I don't know yet, but I suspect Dude is correct. The good news is from my early testing I don't believe the physics change will affect any thing except maybe lower the lap times at Motegi. I'll try and test tonight but right now my plan is to leave Daytona set to "Normal" with the possibility of a change for the last 3 races.
I'm stuck at work all day but if any one is home and feels like testing today, I basically just need to know what type of life racing softs provide with all 3 or 4 wear settings. Based on my testing notes I think I can crunch the numbers from there on.
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is it too late to sign up for tonights race, ::) doubt i'll make the rest of the races tho... :-\
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I would think that you are absolutely welcome to join us tonight. I know it was mentioned that it was not compulsory to attend all of the races.
The more the merrier. I'm sure anyone is welcome right up to race time as long as the race specs are met.
I don't want to speak out of turn.
Dlr can clarify and I'm thinking this will take place in his lounge so make sure you are friends.
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:stoopid: Leaf said it better than I can.
Yes, absolutely, most definitely, :D Grilled you and any one else who wants to join in is welcome to. Running the entire series is not required. I'm 99% certain you are in my friends list but I'll check when I get home.
FYI, the race will be held in dlrws6 lounge. I'll set the room up for the race about an hour early for practice, although feel free to stop by earlier.
Also, there will be Heavy Damage, Normal tire wear and 2X rolling start.
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I "should" be there but there is a chance I will not. So if I'm not online around game time, don't wait for me.
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cool, ill take the minolta since it doesn't look like anyone else is running it. :)
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I'm looking forward to this but probably can't get online much before 9.
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Good race last night. Those cars are a handful being held wide open, cruising around well over 200mph the whole time. Intense. Thanks everyone. Too bad I rubbed the wall on the last lap. I couldn't recover quick enough. I closed the gap to 3 tenths, but no real chance at moving up from fifth.
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I think if we all would stop laughing, then there wouldnt be so many accidents.
:laugh ^-^ :laugh ^-^ :laugh ^-^ :laugh ^-^
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don't forget all the drinking too (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
I still can't believe I ran out of gas 1/2 way through the last lap, :laugh
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That was a blast last night guys. I want to thank everyone for a great time and like Turbo said going 230 mph + and laughing myself silly was dangerous.
I think by the end we had a pretty good handle on the cautions, well at least we cut back on the accidents during cautions (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif).
I think we finished with 5 cars within 1/3 of a second.
I can't imagine what we have in store when we go to Montegi.
Great fun and thank you all for a wild and wacky couple of hours. Oh and great idea Dude an the cruise control cocktail refills although I don't feel so good this morning.
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If we would all run a staggered formation under caution, it would help those fender benders.
I guess I need to put the bong away and try that drinking-thing ..... 8)
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Good times, although I think the stress and tiredness of the day began to catch up to me towards the end. Although admittedly things started off kinda rough considering I completely forgot Dawson and Wolf are one and the same. (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
Thinking today about last nights race, I may make a small modification or two. Namely I may reduce the number of laps for both Motegi and Route X to better accommodate the fact they'll be run during major holiday months and provide enough real time to handle cautions. Also I'm thinking about dropping the one car accident caution, but I'm undecided at this point. I'll review the entire replay this weekend, sort out the points, make some decisions and take some photos. I'm open to opinions if any one has any.
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I had a wonderful time thanks dlrws6 for the evnet and everyone for showing up. I haven't laughed that hard in a long time.
I don't know why my crew chief told me to wreck the pace car. :laugh
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dlrws6, perhaps we could set a limit for how many times somebody can go into the pits? Be it for fuel, tires, damage, etc.
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dlrws6, perhaps we could set a limit for how many times somebody can go into the pits? Be it for fuel, tires, damage, etc.
You've got me curious, can you elaborate on what you have in mind? My initial thought is that there could be one issue. I can see some one (maybe me) slapping the wall enough time to use up their pit stops early leaving them little choice as the race goes on to either break the rules or limp around with damage.
Also here is race one results. I'll add them to the front post and prepare the Motegi info, in another post.
Pole LastleafFan
1. LastleafFan 17 points
2. Agent WD40_FL 15 points
3. dlrws6 14 points
4. Dude_Tuna 13 points
5. TurboTuna 12 points
6. GrilledTuna 11 points
7. WolfpackS2k 10 points
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Round 2: Motegi SuperSpeedway
Changes from the original event are in red.
When 12-5-12?
100 laps (about 1 hour)
Heavy Damage
Cautions (see below)
Caution speed limit 60mph
Any racing tire combination (changeable during the race)
Cautions:
To help reduce the frequency, cautions are now a maximum of 4 laps, or less, and car vs. car collisions. Accidental single car wall collisions, unless caused by two or more cars colliding, will not count towards calling a caution. As before race back to the start finish, and restarts are also at the start finish line. Cars not caught up to the pack or still on pit road at the end of Lap 4 will have to race their way back up. Lapped cars are permitted to pass the leaders and circle around to rejoin the lead lap. Finally pit road will stay open for the entire caution period.
Pit Stops:
We are going to use the real world pit in and out lanes. Pit in is on the back stretch entering turn 3 down on the apron of the track and pit exit is on the apron coming out of turn two on the back stretch. FYI for those that played it. This is the same pit procedure used in Gran Turismo 3.
Finally let me know if the date is a problem and we can try to adjust it if necessary.
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(http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/Daytona_International_Speedway_-_Road_Course.svg/100px-Daytona_International_Speedway_-_Road_Course.svg.png)
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Nice map. Its a little dated though. After the repaving several of the older unused areas were removed/grassed over. In fact Gt5s version of the bus stop no longer exists in the real world.
Ok, ok... you got it. If any one can help test and make sure the cars are balanced for DRC, let me know. I'm up for a Paul Revere 250 @ Daytona Road. Same cars near or same rules. Medium Tires. A GT5 simulation of a real world race run in the 1980s in the IMSA GTP series.
I'll set up another thread later on for testing and evnet info and I got an experiment for this Wed. as well.
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I'm a little confused. The next race is at Motegi but you're discussing DRC. Did I miss something? :-\
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The next race is Motegi. Dude wants a race held at DRC. I'm going to do it but it is a seperate event from the Oval Series.
Also, nix the Paul Revere refrence. I got confused. It was a GT race and not a GTP race back in the 80s. Still the distance might work.
EDIT: Now it has its own home ;D
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Just a reminder. Round two Motegi is coming up in just a few days on Wed. December 5rd.
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do we have to run the same cars as last race or can we run different ones?
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I'd prefer to see the same cars used through the entire series. But since we are as small of a group as we are, if it comes down to a situation of race or no race, then run which ever one you want.
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I should be there!
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I will be there. :)
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I'll be there. I had the chance to run some laps and have it down to consistent 27:5xx. Anyone else have some lap times?
I can almost take turns 1 & 2 full throttle.
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I don't recall times, but I know when we tested there on racing soft tires, it was flat through turns 1 and 2 and just a slight lift before turn 3.
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I don't recall times, but I know when we tested there on racing soft tires, it was flat through turns 1 and 2 and just a slight lift before turn 3.
10-4 on that ...
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I'm running similar but slightly slower times. The 2.09 update messed my tune.
At 100 laps the race should last an hour or less if cautions are kept to a minimum.
If there is time and interest I'd like to test an event idea that is completely different. If you want to participate all you'll need is an ACR Viper, with an oil change, sports soft tires, Windshield weight reduction, carbon hood, Plus the following parts are optional, the optional wing in GT Auto or keep the default, and the close ratio 6-speed and fixed lowered spring kit. No tuning or other upgrade parts are permitted. I'd like to run a few short races at LumbergRing D or other road course.
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That was a lot of fun everyone. Way to go Grill on the win! :)
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(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/Concur.jpg) Thanks Dude.
I still can't believe that there was not 1 singlr caution called. After what we went through at Daytona I thought for sure this was going to be a mess. It was quite a lot of running alone but very tense watching Grilled gain on me a little at a time and then passing me about mid race. That wasn't bad enough but when I made romm I spent so much time watching him that I wasn't looking at the oncoming wall.
I had 2 minor incidents which affected my pit strategy and I think led to my loosing 2rd place to Dude.
I hit Dlr fairly early and suffered front end damage which did affect my tire wear and had to pit a bit earlier than I expected. I should have called a caution but I felt I could continue to run low 28's but I did fall behind Grilled and Dude.
Thanks to Dude's 10 minute pit stop (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif) I got back to the lead which I held for maybe around 20 laps when I had the incident with the wall.
I knew I was not going to catch Grilled when he came out of the pits for the last time ahead of me and had a good 6 laps of better tires than myself.
I was watching my rear outside tire melt away with each lap and also my gas was really low as well and spun out a few times with maybe 2 - 3 laps left.
I didn't think I was going to hold on to 3st but I guess I was far enough ahead to hold on.
I had a really good time and congrats to Grilled on a well run race and very strategic pitting. Good job and also to Dude for no wall humping for 100 laps.
Great race everyone and I look forward to the next installment.
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I thought you had p2 for sure Leaf, without the spin there was no way I was going to catch you.
Also, no colon needed to concur just type i space concur. Charlie magic.
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I just wish that I had not screwed up on lap 4 or 5. A moment of stupidity on my part led to me hitting the outside wall coming out of 4 hard enough to destroy the front right wheel. Which caused me to run straight into the inside wall on the front stretch and leaving me with almost no steering at all and after repairs 1 lap down and right in front of the leaders. :(
It was a shame since in the middle of the race it seemed while running with dude I had plenty of speed to compete with the front runners, I just could not make up the two laps and I messed up too early to aid in pit strategy.
Towards the end of the race I got my hopes up, thinking that I may have gained enough ground to pass AgentWD for position. With about 20 to go I thought I saw out in the distance Agent's Jag and was ever so slowing reeling him in and pulling Dude with me, only to discover it was Leaf and that Agent was still at least a half a lap ahead. :'(
Reviewing the replay should be a lot of fun with this one. 8)
Next is 10 laps at Route X, which should be completely different than motegi and at least easier to drive than Daytona. Its also safe to say we will all have to make at least 1 pit stop before the race is over for fuel. Tires won't matter here.
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I could be wrong, but I feel like the 787B was not competitive at Motegi due to only having 677 hp, while the other cars all had 700+.
Now, I finished down 4 laps so a fair amount of that blame also goes to my lack of preparation (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
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I could be wrong, but I feel like the 787B was not competitive at Motegie due to only having 677 hp, while the other cars all had 700+.
Now, I finished down 4 laps so a fair amount of that blame also goes to my lack of preparation (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)
I'd say about 5% HP and 95% tune related. My race ready 787B, which also is currently shared, can run consistent 27.9s and 28.0s which is the same that I was doing in the R92 both in race and in practice. The straight away speed for the 787B appears to be equal to that of the other cars the only difference I found was in the turns. Turns 1 and 2 the car seems to loose a little bit more speed (1 to 2 mph) compared to the other cars but it seems to make it up in 3 and 4 with the ability to hold a little bit higher speed through those turns.
I've been concerned that the 787B would have a disadvantage at Motegi but all test numbers seemed to confirm that it is not.
Still, based on what I saw at Motegi, with the tuna cup and some other events, I do believe now that a full review of the cars and their balance to each other is warranted. I tested with the change to 2.08 and all cars were within 1 or 2 tenths at all tracks except Indy where they were all within 1 hundredth of a second, using equal settings on all cars, with similar results in offline practice.
I initially thought that the 2.09 update would not make much difference given the extent that I tested the equality of the cars. But after discovering that a few points of rear downforce can increase lap times by a full second, it needs a second or third look.
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Cool I feel better now, haha.
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Here are the race results so far. Also unless there are any issues with the date Round 3 will be Wednesday January 9er.
Round 1:
Pole LastleafFan
Results
1. LastleafFan 17 points
2. Agent WD40_FL 15 points
3. dlrws6 14 points
4. Dude_Tuna 13 points
5. TurboTuna 12 points
6. GrilledTuna 11 points
7. WolfpackS2k 10 points
Round 2:
Pole LastleafFan (27.868)
Results
1.GrilledTuna 16 points
2.DudeTuna 15 points
3.LastleafFan 15 points
4.AgentWD40-FL 13 points
5.dlrws6 12 points
6.WolfpackS2k 11 points
Current Standings after 2 of 4 rounds
1.LastleafFan 32 points
2.AgentWD40-FL 28 points
DudeTuna 28 points
4.GrilledTuna 27 points
5.dlrws6 26 points
6.WolfpackS2k 22 points
7.TurboTuna 12 points
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Wow, you sure don't see that every day. Well actually never (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif).
Thanks Dlr, I'm really enjoying the series. I have no idea how to tune for route x though. I think a test session may be in order.
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Wow, you sure don't see that every day. Well actually never (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif).
Thanks Dlr, I'm really enjoying the series. I have no idea how to tune for route x though. I think a test session may be in order.
Minimum aero. 8)
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:stoopid:
I'm up for a test, but we don't have many Wednesdays before the next event. We got the 19th which is Grilled's enduro, the 26th, day after Christmas and January 2nd. If any/every one is interested give me an idea of what date will work. We might could even do a double test, both Route X and Indy. Or do it on a Friday either after TunaCup or on a non event night if GTIF or other series is not running.
Other wise, for tuning I'd suggest minimum aero, 0 camber, 0 toe, ride height as low as you can go without dragging and affecting top speed and gears set to about 260mph.
For Indy I get the feeling that what was good at Motegi will be good at Indy, except you'll need more gear for a higher top speed.
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Right now I could use a good facepalm picture.
I did a quick balance test last night and there has been some changes with the 2.09 update. A perfect example is my Indy test. Originally I ran all cars set to defalt except for weight and HP and ran a 5 and 10 lap stint. The results were the cars would run comparable lap times with the best lap within the same tenth of a second for all cars. With these settings all the cars could run flat out around the track on Racing Hard tires.
Last night, I do the 5 lap test with the same rules and settings. The 88CV, R89, R92, C9 were still the same, all running their best laps in the 43.2XX second range equalling the pre 2.09 test. The 787B fell a little short, with a best lap of 43.3XX but still overall very close and still within 1 tenth of the fastest of the above cars. The other two, the XJR9 and 905, could not run flat out under the given conditions. To get them to run flat out I had to adjust aero or switch to Racing Mediums.
I plan on doing some more testing this weekend or, if time permits, tonight. Based on my findings I plan on making a small rule change or two. If this last test goes the way I think it will expect the following to change.
1. Tires will be limited to Racing Medium and Soft
2. The 787B will get a very small increase in power.
Between the two it should prevent the 905 and XJR9 from having a tuning disadvantage and will assure that the 787B stays competitive. :)
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^ (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
^^sounds good my friend.
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(http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif) Perfect!
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Ok, rule change time. First the changes.
For rounds 3 and 4 the following regulations have changed.
1. Race medium and race soft tires only. Race hard tires are no longer permitted.
2. The Mazda 787B gets a 4hp increase to 681.
3. The Peugeot 905 gets a 4hp decrease to 744.
As for the reasons behind the changes, well... the short story is the 2.09 update.
As I mentioned earlier, based on the comments from Motegi I decided to re-test all the cars and found that 2.09 affected the balance between the cars. I chose to use Indy for the main test and Route X to check top speeds. If you want to see the exact numbers I can post them, but what I found was that the 905 had definite advantage over the other cars and the 787B had a near equal disadvantage. The 905 easly ran 42.9 second laps using stock settings while the other cars could not best a 43.0xx second lap with the 787B not able to run better than 43.1xx seconds. Its not a huge gap, but with an oval, I figure its best to keep the gap between the cars as close as possible. Thus the HP changes.
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Reminder the race at Route X is this Wednesday 1-9. I'll have the room up early for last minute testing.
... the unicorn says moo.
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Non-points Round 5: Coming February 1 week after Indy. ^-^ Track should be available for download now.* Its a real oval!
(http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq40/dlrws6/TokyoBayKart-1_zps80f44415.jpg)
(http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq40/dlrws6/TokyoBayKart_2_zpsf5d1a873.jpg)
(http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq40/dlrws6/TokyoBayKart_4_zpsf235d352.jpg)
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*Tuna-Cup car not included. :P
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Till Wednesday. :)
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Wednesday - check
Neuter Car to 744 hp - check
Practice on track - nope, have to wing it.
Looking forward to it but just try not to fall behind. There's no way back (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
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Are we doing a rolling start for the race tonight?
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That is the plan, assuming I don't screw it up. :D
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I was thinking about that possibility but with no qualifying it should be easier. (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
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2 questions:
1) is it possible for me to switch vehicles?
2) any possibility we can push back the start time? There's a sporting event on here locally that starts at 8 and I really want to watch the whole thing.
If the answer is no for either or both that's fine.
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How long are you talking about? Its a 50 minute race so we can wait 10 to 15 minutes but not too long.
I'd prefer every one uses the cars that they started with, but lets face it its a game. If you change cars I'll just figure some way of reflecting it in the points. I'm not going to say you can't race if you change cars. So take it as you will. :)
I'm actually thinking of dropping the 1 car rule for the road course series.
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I'm hoping to be home and trying to make it tonight. If I do, awesome, look out, if not, don't wait for me. I'm just happy to be back in the online world of GT!
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The problem with continuing to update the OP .... is that a person cant find specifics from the last 2 races.
Heres my dilemma I'm trying to figure out. I havent touched my Jag since the last race and its at 764hp. The updated OP for this race shows the Jag at 744hp. Its broke in with over 900miles on it ... so it didnt creep.
Was there a change I dont recall?? This car barely keeps up to begin with.
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I am really bummed out. I get to race with my family's blessing and support once a month and what happens? I try to log on at 8:30 to get ready to race and lo and behold no internet. I try again and again with the same result. I then try to log on here to see if the race is going to be delayed and can't get on here either. I then try to get on here with my cell phone and no go there either.
I call our provider and find out that our entire area is down. We had quite the wind storm last night but if they can't handle a little (a lot really) wind what is the use. I should move this over to the bitch thread but I`m really here to apologize for not being there last night.
It`s not very often that I`m leading a series (never actually) and of all nights to lose the internet they choose last night. The people at Rogers were probably spending too much time answering questions as to why they fired Brian Burke yesterday as GM of the Leafs. Don`t get me started there (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif).
Anyway I`m sorry that I missed the race and I hope everyone had a good time.
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I am really bummed out. I get to race with my family's blessing and support once a month and what happens? I try to log on at 8:30 to get ready to race and lo and behold no internet. I try again and again with the same result. I then try to log on here to see if the race is going to be delayed and can't get on here either. I then try to get on here with my cell phone and no go there either.
I call our provider and find out that our entire area is down. We had quite the wind storm last night but if they can't handle a little (a lot really) wind what is the use. I should move this over to the bitch thread but I`m really here to apologize for not being there last night.
It`s not very often that I`m leading a series (never actually) and of all nights to lose the internet they choose last night. The people at Rogers were probably spending too much time answering questions as to why they fired Brian Burke yesterday as GM of the Leafs. Don`t get me started there (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif).
Anyway I`m sorry that I missed the race and I hope everyone had a good time.
I hear Burkie got fired because he wouldn't trade for Luongo. Hopefully this means you'll be taking him off our hands soon. He is a good goalie and will take you to the playoffs but he has a tendency to self-destruct at the most inopportune moments.
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I don`t mind taking him but not at the cost of Jake Gardner.
I would just as soon leave Luongo there for the situation to fester a bit more and then get him cheaper.
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What happened last night ???
The suspense is killing me.
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Grill and I fought it out for dlrws6's draft. I edged it across the finish line first by a hair. Wolfpack's pit crew was too busy sniffing gas to put it in his car and he ran out of gas again. AgentWD40 taught us how to draft gooder :)
Very Good Times.
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Also, there was talk of uncorking these things and running them at X again.
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Also, there was talk of uncorking these things and running them at X again.
What Dude said, the entire race went a lot better than I expected. We were not really all bunched up in a traffic jam like at Daytona. We were in a pack but the track was wide enough for four wide racing and with the cars tuned the way they were, we could fall back from each other a little bit and get a huge draft and pass with ease. With weak draft I think the highest speed noted was 278mph which was accomplished by sort of leap frogging from draft to draft of 4 cars.
We did a two lap race with the limiters off to see what would happen. With all of us in the 900 to 1000hp range it was a little more tense than the full race but still not as bad as what usually happens at Daytona. The finishing result of the test race was Gilled in 1st followed by me .001 seconds behind and Agent .002 seconds behind Grilled.
I may post up something for next Wednesday. Using these cars and Route X without the limiters and running either 2 or 3 laps per race. It could be something along the lines of the "Sorta Retro Race" I did a few weeks ago. Perhaps this could be like the old "Like the Wind" race from prior GT games. I may even permit the other LMP cars but I'll have to test a few first or even make it run what ya brung minus the Redbull X cars. 8)
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The finishing result of the test race was Gilled in 1st followed by me .001 seconds behind and Agent .002 seconds behind Grilled.
(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif) My test race results screen showed me in 1st, followed by drls .001, and Grilled at .002 (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)
Our attempt at the first test was really foobared ... remember the phantom car that we ran into? Maybe the irregularities continued to the 2nd. Whatever, it was fun at full horsepower and not ill handling in the slightest.
By the way, congrats Dude for winning the event race. You've broke our tie with a great win ... I'll be interested in seeing the standings soon. And I had the high speed for the race @ 278 .... thats when we really got our leap frogging down to a science and we were cookin' the track.
Good times for being on the Route X track for the first time with other drivers. It almost felt like PD had given us a new track. Fun being on different pavement for a change.
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I'd like to take credit for forcing you guys to perfect your leapfrogging draft technique in order to catch up to me after the pit stop. It was a shame I miscalculated my fuel load by around 5 liters (and then crashed into a wall while texting on my phone (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif) ) but at the least I made things interesting for the last 3 laps.
I'm definitely in favor of running the Group C's uncorked at Route X again. Pretty nuts running flat out bumping into the fuel cut off at 298 mph 8)
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i like circle tracks ill be there if i am available.
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The front post has been updated with points and Round 4 info. After the simplicity of the last race and how well Tuna Cup Indy qualifying worked, I'm done with draftless qualifying and trying to make heavy damage and cautions work. So to keep in simple I'm switching to light damage, no cautions and going back to a traditional qualifying session. Draft all you want during qualifying just no bump drafting.
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... and reminder next week Round 4 Indy 2-6 :)
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One more reminder. Tonight is the night. The last points paying round of the oval series. :)
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One more reminder. Tonight is the night. The last points paying round of the oval series. :)
I see what you mean about missing posts. I lost some from last night too.
I will try to take care of business during my lunch hour today. If not I might be a bit late. I will keep you informed. Done, see you tonight.
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I hate to say thsi but I don't think i'll be showing up tonight. Been fighting a cough all week and I'm just not feeling stellar tonight. Probably headed to bed doped up on NyQuil at 9 :(
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The forum was down for me last night and missed this. Hope it was a good time for ya 'all!
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Bad timing as I wasn't there either. I was at the hospital and didn't get home until close to 10:00.
I hope it went well though.
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Ha Ha, yeah funny that. Myself and Dude were the only ones that showed up. Dude won and there was lots of fun to be had. We got options, if every one wants to give it a shot we can pick a date and reschedule. Or we can just consider the whole thing done.
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.037 is all that separated p1 and p2 after 25 laps. Excellent fun. :)