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Online Events => Other Online Events => Topic started by: MX5#98 on November 26, 2012, 12:48:27 PM
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Last week, Dude, nosoks and I got together and did some laps in a stock Lotus Elise 111R. The car handled amazingly well with standard equipment. And multiple folks mentioned how much fun it was to just show up race unmodified cars from the dealer. Cars are automatically going to be equal for every driver participating (although some may break in their vehicle and gain a few extra hp).
There are so many great cars available. We could just grab a different car each week from the dealer and put it through it's paces.
Anyways, I just wanted to see if anyone would be interested in a series like this. We could start this week (Wed or Thur) and give it a try. I'm open to suggestions on the car to start with. Otherwise I'll pick something. Just let me know.
MX
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Last week, Dude, nosoks and I got together and did some laps in a stock Lotus Elise 111R. The car handled amazingly well with standard equipment. And multiple folks mentioned how much fun it was to just show up race unmodified cars from the dealer. Cars are automatically going to be equal for every driver participating (although some may break in their vehicle and gain a few extra hp).
There are so many great cars available. We could just grab a different car each week from the dealer and put it through it's paces.
Anyways, I just wanted to see if anyone would be interested in a series like this. We could start this week (Wed or Thur) and give it a try. I'm open to suggestions on the car to start with. Otherwise I'll pick something. Just let me know.
MX
We could call it something like Tuneless Tuesdays or Showroom Showdown. Wait a minute....
Good idea. Not sure why they were stopped. I think sho sho turned into a tuning event at one point. Anyway, I can only really make the midnight drive in. I wouldn't mind if those were always tuneless cars.
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I had forgotten about the history of those other events. And I don't want to tell folks how to run their stuff. I absolutely love the events others are hosting. So I suggested a **new** series (not really new, lol).
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I had forgotten about the history of those other events. And I don't want to tell folks how to run their stuff. I absolutely love the events others are hosting. So I suggested a **new** series (not really new, lol).
Like I said, it's a good idea. Not sure why people lost interest in those other events.
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Like I said, it's a good idea. Not sure why people lost interest in those other events.
Well lets ask them. :D
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Not enough time for all the fine racing events. I enjoy them all, but can only make few. 8)
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Not enough time for all the fine racing events. I enjoy them all, but can only make few. 8)
Ok, let me ask this ... is there a way to submit requests for upcoming events already on the calendar (like the TuTu or ShoSho)?
MX
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By series do you mean something a bit like the Tuna Cup points series where we drive the same cars each week / race but only using stock / unmodified cars, or are you thinking more of the TuTu / ShoSho style with a different car each week?
If I remember right you can detune the engine power some and that doesn't affect the "Tuning Prohibited" rule, yes? If so what about a "roll your own Stock Car" type thing, pick a PP number (or hp / weight) and we all run off and find our own unmodded cars that are fairly close to the number and see how they square off.
Example: say 510PP is the number
I might bring along an '88 Lamborghini Countach and '02 Dodge Viper GTS, both cars stock come in around 516PP and should fit with minor engine detuning. I've driven both of them stock before at 500PP and they're really nice cars, the Dodge was surprisingly comfortable unmodded. Someone else might bring a Corvette or the SL 55 AMG, stock they're both around the 510PP mark also.
A bit like the game's shuffle feature but we pick our own cars in advance, could make for some interesting races and matchups :).
Not enough time for all the fine racing events. I enjoy them all, but can only make few. 8)
Ok, let me ask this ... is there a way to submit requests for upcoming events already on the calendar (like the TuTu or ShoSho)?
MX
Hotstepper is in charge of TuTu now, I don't know how far ahead of time he plans his events but I'm pretty sure he's done events by request before. I assume sending him a PM or posting something in the TuTu section would be the best options.
Also since ToC took over from ShoSho a while back and I'm currently driving the ToC bus the same applies, PM or post is cool with me :). I've certainly got no objections to trying new and interesting stuff with ToC on Thursdays, doesn't have to be an actual class that's already listed either, heck that idea I wrote above might actually work really nicely as a ToC event if it's something folks are interested in running :).
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Any event that involves stock tuning is always something that interests me. ;)
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I like the untuned thing as well.
Also, keep in mind Fridays are kinda open for "free lance" events as filler for when there is no point series race. :)
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Any event that involves stock tuning is always something that interests me. ;)
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Any event that involves stock tuning is always something that interests me. ;)
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I have the interest but I don't know if I have the time. I actually was going to try something similar to this a few posts down but gave up due to lack of time and energy. :(
If you do it I got one request. 2000 Camaro SS, I've been trying to find an excuse to use it online since day one of GT5. ;D
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If you do it I got one request. 2000 Camaro SS, I've been trying to find an excuse to use it online since day one of GT5. ;D
Is it a bone stock '00 Camaro SS with you want to run right DL? If so I can take a look at similar cars (similar PP or power / weight that is) and see if there's enough to throw together something for ToC this week, unless someone wants to plan something for Friday instead?
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Yes, bone stock 00' Camaro SS with Sports Hard tires is what I've had in mind. If you decide to do it you may want to check out the cars in the X-spearmint thread as a starting point. Back in 2001 PD felt all those cars were close enough to each other to make a 10 race no-mod series out of them. I feel it provided for some pretty awesome racing back in GT3 and equally interesting discussion on the old Gran-turismo.net forums back in the day.
I have to admit, when I put the race together, I had little time to test the format in GT5 and I was going to use the race itself as a test. :copz:
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im interested in this. run your own at 500pp no tune idea sounds cool any other pp would also work. not sure if a points system would work but it could be tried for a couple weeks would work if we all drove the same car tho...'tutu cup' :D
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im interested in this. run your own at 500pp no tune idea sounds cool any other pp would also work. not sure if a points system would work but it could be tried for a couple weeks would work if we all drove the same car tho...'tutu cup' :D
I vote for 500pp. There are a lot of fun cars in and around 500pp. :D
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I'm in. :)
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Ok, I'll get something set up for this Thursday's ToC then :). 500PP, tuning prohibited and I'll try to throw together a quick list of "suggested cars" too
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I'll try and be there. :laugh
Also, I think 425pp would also be a good for some time down the road. I believe thats about where all the pony cars hover around.
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I also think that a one car unmodified race would be fun as well. When I've done it based on PP in the past, there's always one car that's got a better power curve or handling for a particular track and ends up being 2 seconds faster than every other car. Unless you do a lot of testing (which is very anti-Tuna, lol), then it can be hard to ferret those out.
Cars I'd love to race:
Miatas at dawn, of course.
S2000's.
MR2's
M3's
Fairlady's
Z06's
All the exotics
Etc.
The hardest job for the planner I think is finding the best track for each car. I'm willing to help if needed.
MX
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I would be interested, especially if it was exotics and the PP was in the 500-550 range.
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I'm also thinking about doing SCCA type races as outlined here:
http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/assets/2012%20SCCA%20Solo%20Stock%20Category%20Classifications%20By%20Manufacturer%20-%20May.pdf (http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/assets/2012%20SCCA%20Solo%20Stock%20Category%20Classifications%20By%20Manufacturer%20-%20May.pdf)
So, for example, the Miata is C-Stock. A Ferrari is ... hmmm, not eligible. Maybe some more thought on that.
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Looking through the list, I see a nice B stock class of cars that we have available to us. ;)
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I love Tutu also and always try to fit it in my schedule. Usually means I'm racing by about 8.00am so not too bad
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Do you happen to have any links or info regarding the specs for those SCCA classes, MX? Either general specs for the classes or maybe specific power / weight type specs for some of the some of the cars themselves.
Also I was pondering something I read in the Project Cars thread, Wizard and MX mentioned a phrase like "Weekend Racer" and that got me to thinking about something today.. what about a Weekend Racer series / event with mostly stock cars that use just a handful of upgrades and only those with fixed settings (sort of like Friday's Miata Platter event). Say pick a PP limit, any road car qualifies that can be brought up to that PP limit using only power upgrades, weight must remain stock and engine detuning limited to say 5% so you can't just detune a significantly overpowered car.
Here's a kind of spec sheet that might make more sense:
Weekend Racers
Performance Points - 410PP
Tires: Sports Hard
Modifications
Power: Any (detuning limited to 5%)
Weight: None, stock weight required (carbon hood can be used for looks, 5kg must be added to compensate)
Transmission: Stock or Close Ratio
Drivetrain: Stock
Suspension: Fixed Sports Kit only
Basically the concept is to grab a car, stick on some cheap power mods and drive around a track. It should work further up the spectrum for the more powerful sports cars too, simply pick a higher PP and use the same basic mods. Though I don't know how evenly matched the cars would really be without actually testing anything so there's a good chance it might turn out to be a very bad idea :).
Something else I was tinkering with the last week was a sort of idea for a Viper Vs. Vette series, ironically it was 2 from that SCCA file in the Super Stock class though I didn't know it at the time :), the '04 Corvette Z06 and the '02 Viper GTS premiums. Both cars started started out stock with an oil change and the same bolt ons added to them:
'02 Viper / '04 Vette
Stock weight
Racing Air Filter
Sports Cat
Racing Exhaust
Close-Ratio 6 speed Transmission
Fixed Sports Suspension
Sports Soft Tires
There was a slight PP difference in favour of the Viper (I think it was +15PP or so) but both cars seemed to be pretty evenly matched on the track. The Vette did feel tighter handling wise but also a bit more fidgety where as the Viper was a touch softer and more forgiving (probably the extra weight).
Some food for thought :).
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Great stuff Feld. I like the way you think. I'll put some links together and post here in a bit. I've been reading a lot on the SCCA forums and learning a lot. There's also the NASA racing rules too. Lots to pull from.
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I especially like the first option. In fact I was noodling around last week with that exact idea except limited to one car. At the time I was messing with the ACR Viper. I would not mind seeing the PP set a little higher though. If I recall correctly around 460pp would allow for cars such as the all the mustangs, 4th gen camaros, Nissan 370,350Z, Pontiac GTO 5.7 liter. Similar to some of the classes SCCA used back in the early to mid 2000s.
If there is enough interest for something like this. I might could set it up and host it on Wedsday night. Say maybe 30 minute sprint race, maybe 8 to 10 races total, either weekly or biweekly. (excluding the last two Group C dates)
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I especially like the first option. In fact I was noodling around last week with that exact idea except limited to one car. At the time I was messing with the ACR Viper. I would not mind seeing the PP set a little higher though. If I recall correctly around 460pp would allow for cars such as the all the mustangs, 4th gen camaros, Nissan 370,350Z, Pontiac GTO 5.7 liter. Similar to some of the classes SCCA used back in the early to mid 2000s.
If there is enough interest for something like this. I might could set it up and host it on Wedsday night. Say maybe 30 minute sprint race, maybe 8 to 10 races total, either weekly or biweekly. (excluding the last two Group C dates)
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