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Gran Turismo => General Gran Turismo => Topic started by: EX_stream_tuna on December 03, 2012, 03:21:02 PM
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I'm not certain of this, but I think GM may actually welcome some input from GT5 players about the handling characteristics of the new C7 Vette.
My hope for this next gen "super muscle" car is for European car enthusiasts to at least respect it more, if not completely fall in love with it, but still to remain true to its core fans. That being said, the main thing there to overcome is build quality in terms of plastic/fiberglas vs harder compounds, and having a mroe respectable handling profile.
In short, it needs Ferarri refinement but at a much more affordable price point. Certainly the mega giant General Motors can do something that at least comes close right?
Excuse me for saying... and I love the vette. But do you guys like the way this new prototype drives?
So far, I don't. Especially on the "stock" tires they give us. But even when upgrading tires, it seems to have a strange handling problem where, if the car get's off tilt and you happen to give it some inputs it doesn't exactly love, it is more difficult than it should be to recover from.
Can anyone help me put to words what this quirkiness is, perhaps in more technical terms? It could very well be that PD didn't do a very good job of modelling this car, or it could just as easily be that GM isn't done tuning the prototype's handling?
Things we say as "prototype test drivers" might get their attention. It's a longshot, I know, but I do have an uncle who is more of architect/engineer who might know who to pass this along to. Or, if posted on the web they might just find it anyways...
He indicated they are very happy it is in GT5 for promotional reasons, but IMO they did hand us an incomplete car and might be reading our comments anyways, so what are your comments?
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I actually liked the handling. I could do a little drifting and still maintain control. :-\
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I downloaded the car, but I have not driven it yet.
cough, cough, Charlies cough, Midnight Show, hint, hint
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I haven't driven it yet and honestly I'm not even sure if I will, maybe with the exception of Charlie's drive-in later in the month. For whatever reason I just can't seem to get too terribly excited about a car in a bag, mind you I'm kinda the same about most concept and prototypes cars.
What does interest me though is what the inclusion of the car means for GT's future and it's potential involvement with GM and other car manufacturers:
Does having the prototype C7 Vette now open up the door for us to have the real C7 when it's officially released?
Does it mean GM is going to become more involved with GT from a sponsorship perspective perhaps like Nissan is?
If GM starts working more with PD will this encourage other manufacturers to follow suit?
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This is all very interesting. I have the card of the car, just like Feldynn haven't driven the Bag.
Just may have to cash in and take it for a ride. Maybe get some older vettes and the C7 together on track.
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I haven't driven it yet and honestly I'm not even sure if I will, maybe with the exception of Charlie's drive-in later in the month. For whatever reason I just can't seem to get too terribly excited about a car in a bag, mind you I'm kinda the same about most concept and prototypes cars.
What does interest me though is what the inclusion of the car means for GT's future and it's potential involvement with GM and other car manufacturers:
Does having the prototype C7 Vette now open up the door for us to have the real C7 when it's officially released?
Does it mean GM is going to become more involved with GT from a sponsorship perspective perhaps like Nissan is?
If GM starts working more with PD will this encourage other manufacturers to follow suit?
What makes you think that? (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/zLOL.gif) :laugh ^-^ :copz: :(
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I haven't driven it yet and honestly I'm not even sure if I will, maybe with the exception of Charlie's drive-in later in the month. For whatever reason I just can't seem to get too terribly excited about a car in a bag, mind you I'm kinda the same about most concept and prototypes cars.
What does interest me though is what the inclusion of the car means for GT's future and it's potential involvement with GM and other car manufacturers:
Does having the prototype C7 Vette now open up the door for us to have the real C7 when it's officially released?
Does it mean GM is going to become more involved with GT from a sponsorship perspective perhaps like Nissan is?
If GM starts working more with PD will this encourage other manufacturers to follow suit?
:stoopid: on all counts. Especially about driving concept cars and prototypes, even tho this is a test mule, not a concept car.
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I haven't driven it yet and honestly I'm not even sure if I will, maybe with the exception of Charlie's drive-in later in the month. For whatever reason I just can't seem to get too terribly excited about a car in a bag, mind you I'm kinda the same about most concept and prototypes cars.
What does interest me though is what the inclusion of the car means for GT's future and it's potential involvement with GM and other car manufacturers:
Does having the prototype C7 Vette now open up the door for us to have the real C7 when it's officially released?
Does it mean GM is going to become more involved with GT from a sponsorship perspective perhaps like Nissan is?
If GM starts working more with PD will this encourage other manufacturers to follow suit?
What makes you think that? (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/zLOL.gif) :laugh ^-^ :copz: :(
The jaded realist in my was on a bathroom break at the time, he would have finished the post by saying:
"Of course the chances of anything cool like that actually happening are probably about as good as that of a snowball in hell or a gerbil in a microwave, but maybe one day we'll get a pleasant surprise.. hopefully not the kind of surprise that involves cleaning gerbil out of the microwave though ;D"
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I actually liked the handling. I could do a little drifting and still maintain control. :-\
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w96/BAJAZR2/STVM_ChromeTuna/HighSpeedRing-17.jpg)
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I doubt GM cares in the slightest what some of us 'gamers' think of the handling of the C7. It's a game, nothing more.
Depending on what they want to accomplish, GM can simply go to the parts bin if they want handling characteristics to change. I can't remember which car it is, I believe the newer Z06, but the tires are borderline slicks. Dodge did the same thing with their Viper.
Over the years, the one constant complaint I've heard from EVERY magazine is that the car has shitty seats that offer no support. I'm a little suprised GM hasn't fixed this 'problem' though a part of me believes they ignore it simply because they can. As a Corvette owner for over a decade, I've yet to talk with a fellow Corvette owner who complains about the seats.
If GM really wanted to fix something that needs fixing, it would be the bulky, long-throw shifter. I don't think handling even registers to them, particularly since the car hasn't been released and professionals haven't chimed in. My guess is GM will listen to those people rather than a bunch of hacks like us. They achieved a full g of grip ten years ago and now they've got two cars approaching 1.1g of lateral grip. I don't think handling is an issue.
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I find it odd that they're including a Vette that seems to be weaker in many ways than the C6. I haven't driven it yet, but it seems like it includes the base engine (unlike the Z06(C6) in GT5). It is also almost 100kg heavier than said Z06 (C6), even though it has a smaller engine. This, when GM claims loosing weight was one of their goals with the C7. What am I missing? Is the Z06 lighter than the base Vette?
I haven't driven it yet, but I don't have great expectations. I'm betting the Z06 (C6) is more enjoyable, and may even prefer the Z05 (C5).
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I wasn't impressed when I downloaded the new car. I took it to the test track thing and realized it was a bit slower than the current base model. That said, it's just a car on GT5 and God only knows what the real performance will be.
When the ZR 1 came out, I thought the Z06 would be cannibalized. Instead, I'm now beginning to think the base model is being cannibalized. There are currently a handful of models that are more appealing to the average buyer. If money is no object, you get the ZR 1 or the Z06 loaded (or the new corvertible Z). If you're a track rat, you get the base Z06. If you're a chick or a guy with esteem issues, you get the convertible. The base coupe is basically the Toyota Camry of the Corvette lineup.
Regardless, if the finished product resembles what I drove for a few minutes the other night, it'll be a disappointment for Corvette fans.
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My belief is that they have given us nothing more than a "mule" to play with, not a fully developed prototype. There are no "adjustments" that can be made to the vehicle (as one would naturally expect). My BIGGEST objection is that it is a baseline C7, and the only other comparable Corvette in the game (C6-Z06) can out perform this "poser". :( Why did they whet our appetites with this P.O.S.? Only KAZ in his INFINITE Wisdom could have conjured up this total SCAM. If you're gonna jerk me off PD, at least get out the Vaseline. (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/nonono.gif) STOP FUCKING US OVER, PD! (No reflection on you or your post EX....You have a really good Idea, it just ain't gonna fly with me, that's all, sorry, bud :() My post is to actually serve PD, not General Motors, something to chew on. WHY DO THEY INSIST ON CONTINUALLY PULLING THIS SHIT ON US....WE HAVE MORE INTELLIGENCE THAN LANDCRABS........
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Does having the prototype C7 Vette now open up the door for us to have the real C7 when it's officially released?
Releasing the prototype this close to the unveiling of the actual C7 without releasing the actual C7 when it is unveiled would be unbelievably incompetent. That wouldn't be unheard of for PD but I expect that the C7 will be released soon after the unveiling of the C7 in Detroit. I wouldn't be surprised if PD has GT Pods at the auto show with a drive-able version of the C7.
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Does having the prototype C7 Vette now open up the door for us to have the real C7 when it's officially released?
Releasing the prototype this close to the unveiling of the actual C7 without releasing the actual C7 when it is unveiled would be unbelievably incompetent. That wouldn't be unheard of for PD but I expect that the C7 will be released soon after the unveiling of the C7 in Detroit. I wouldn't be surprised if PD has GT Pods at the auto show with a drive-able version of the C7.
I don't know, Doc, I wouldn't put it past PD to make everyone do the ol' Pavlov "salivation" before releasing the car to the gamers.
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Is it possible GT has thrown us a bone simply to get us interested in the game again?
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IMHO a livery editor would have breathed more life into the game that the C7 would/did...
I'd probably spend hundred of hours designing...
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livery editor
I'd probably spend hundred of hours designing...
:stoopid:
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okay many valid points, but some of them miss the point.
is the base vette slower than a z06? yes, and that would be natural to assume.
is this a teaser to get us interested in the unveiled production model? Absolutely.
does that mean we're definitely getting the production vette? No, but I'd say there is a very good chance.
This base vette isn't a track car, as Rick said. the z06 is better suited for that. But, as far as a car that provides a solid start for later z06 and ZR-1 models to be produced... how does it stack up to previous generations, based on the handling?
As for drifting, sure, that is easy to do. My issue is that I seem to have difficulty stopping that slide and regaining control once it happens to go straight down the track and win a race, rather than just looking pretty around a corner going sideways.
And and... if it's not tuna-able as a prototype I think that is a given, and should be seen as them trying to showcase the car exactly the way it is rather than allowing us to "fix" it to be what we want it to be.
I know that there are much better experts out there than us, but I also wonder if they might also at least be interested in reading our comments.
I'ts not "Just a game" because we've already done so much with it that is not just "playing". Several GT fans have already gone from very little racing experience and only playing GT to becoming race car drivers. I think if they said something about this car needing a particular tweak, GM would be wise to listen. And the rest of us, to a lesser degree, can provide good insight too.
So can anyone articulate what the problems with the car may be and if they could just tune that one thing out, what it would be?
Look, if nothing else this is at least an interesting experiement.
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I believe the relevant thing here is related to this line below, with the highlighted fix being the key...
PD didn't couldn't do a very good job of modelling this car
Nothing more, nothing less.
It is my understanding that very few people in the world have even driven one of these yet. How much data could they (they being PD) possibly have to create an accurate physics file for it?
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Is it possible GT has thrown us a bone simply to get us interested in the game again?
BINGO! DING! DING! DING! :WINNER
JOHNNY, WE HAVE A WINNER :TTU
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IMHO a livery editor would have breathed more life into the game that the C7 would/did...
I'd probably spend hundred of hours designing...
Actually, ANYTHING would have breathed more life into GT5 than a burlap covered P.O.S. that can't be tuned - GOD forbid, it could have been YET another skyline with a jet engine..... :palm2
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Wizard, it is my understanding that the cars go through some data gathering process (unknown) to make sure GT cars handle more or less like the real life counterparts. I don't think that this being a prototype and under "wraps" means they didn't give PD a chance to drive it or hook a few instruments up to it. I mean, they must have gotten inside of it to photograph it, right? At the very least an approved GM test driver would have given them a few laps around a track while the eggheads sat shotgun, right?
I'm very open to the idea that the car isn't modelled exactly right, but I would expect it to be based on some real data though. It would seem like that desire on PD's part would be part of the negotiation process of having the car included at all.
Croonah, I think we can look at this as a positive move in the right direction. Is it what you want? No. Is it the first thing I would ahve asked for? Nope. But it sure ain't a skyline or japanese at all for that matter. It seems like a possible change in direction so that PD starts to look at giving us North American based content in DLC.
I know that I personally did not buy the new Subaru or GT-R DLC a few months back. I bought the Honda only, and it was something we didn't already have. If there is a paid DLC production vette, no matter how it drives or looks, I'm snatching it up just to send the message that it's more appreciated than the same old same old.
MasterGT has relayed some things recently which make us believe PD is definitely planning SOME content that isn't purely japanese.
This could just be the beginning.
But that is not to say you all are not right -- that a track wouldn't be better, or that a livery editor wouldn't be more welcomed.
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Is it possible GT has thrown us a bone simply to get us interested in the game again?
BINGO! DING! DING! DING! (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/winner2.gif)
JOHNNY, WE HAVE A WINNER (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/TunaThumbsUp.jpg)
It's going to take a whole lot more than a car to really stir up interest. As far as I'm concerned, this game is a dieing old acquaintance, that I just go visit when I know somebody else is there.
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It's Christmas time, right?
Maybe PD was giving us a "present". (They did wrap it...)
And maybe because they think we've been bad little Tuna, our present is really just a lump of coal...
Come to the Late Show on the 21rd and find out!!! ^-^
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Is it possible GT has thrown us a bone simply to get us interested in the game again?
BINGO! DING! DING! DING! (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/winner2.gif)
JOHNNY, WE HAVE A WINNER (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/TunaThumbsUp.jpg)
It's going to take a whole lot more than a car to really stir up interest. As far as I'm concerned, this game is a dieing old acquaintance, that I just go visit when I know somebody else is there.
It seems the same to me as Prologue only with more cars and tracks. I enjoy online races a lot as do others. Next time your bored and want some GT5 look for an orange dot. :)
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Wizard, it is my understanding that the cars go through some data gathering process (unknown) to make sure GT cars handle more or less like the real life counterparts. I don't think that this being a prototype and under "wraps" means they didn't give PD a chance to drive it or hook a few instruments up to it. I mean, they must have gotten inside of it to photograph it, right? At the very least an approved GM test driver would have given them a few laps around a track while the eggheads sat shotgun, right?
I'm very open to the idea that the car isn't modelled exactly right, but I would expect it to be based on some real data though. It would seem like that desire on PD's part would be part of the negotiation process of having the car included at all.
To clarify a little... I wasn't trying to suggest that PD just pulled some numbers out of their ass and slapped them in a physics file. I'd be willing to bet that you're correct in saying that GM gave them some sort of access to the car to put something together. My main point was basically wondering how much data and how accurate of a file they could make from it.
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Wizard, it is my understanding that the cars go through some data gathering process (unknown) to make sure GT cars handle more or less like the real life counterparts. I don't think that this being a prototype and under "wraps" means they didn't give PD a chance to drive it or hook a few instruments up to it. I mean, they must have gotten inside of it to photograph it, right? At the very least an approved GM test driver would have given them a few laps around a track while the eggheads sat shotgun, right?
I'm very open to the idea that the car isn't modelled exactly right, but I would expect it to be based on some real data though. It would seem like that desire on PD's part would be part of the negotiation process of having the car included at all.
To clarify a little... I wasn't trying to suggest that PD just pulled some numbers out of their ass and slapped them in a physics file. I'd be willing to bet that you're correct in saying that GM gave them some sort of access to the car to put something together. My main point was basically wondering how much data and how accurate of a file they could make from it.
And if I'm a car manufacturer, I'm going to do everything I can to manipulate those numbers in my favor ($$$ to PD). So, it's a simulation, that's all. The relationship between the sim and reality is open to interpretation.
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Seriously, I look at it as an advertising ploy between PD and General Motors. It's not so much about putting the car in the game as it is about utilizing every form of advertising to sell a product. Good grief can't anyone else see this with the commercialization of television for example? This appears to be a shabby way of keeping interest in GT5 (and Chevrolet) while PD works intensely on GT6. C'mon guys they've already said they were done with GT5 and are concentrating on the next generation of GT. GM is looking to hit on young men that like fast cars to entice them into buying their product, and PD is adding this car and promoting the furtherance of their game. Sorry for being a skeptic and sounding cynical, but it's what I do best. (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)
ExExbox - I applaud your enthusiasm and promotion of this game, and I would be right there with you, but I guess I've seen too much of the BS with which PD has continually used to fertilize this series to keep it alive without putting forth some serious effort to improve themselves.
After all, it took them 5 effing years to get this title to store and they have essentially done nothing of consequence in the last two to really improve the game other than to continually screw with the physics. Not only boring, but annoying to have to "learn" them over and over and... Let's forget about the "DLC" and the "track packages" new content - they were essentially done on day one of game release. They have basically done nothing new to this title for the last two years.
Let's face it, PD has been predictable from day one. We know what to expect in the "Seasonal events" - every other week 5 A-Spec races and a new online garage selection, while alternating that with time trials and drift trials the other week. And we get to get......wait for it........*drum roll*............
helmets and suits! What happened to the engine and frame refresh tickets? that was a nice change.
PD Doesn't listen to their customer's needs and desires, period.
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Seriously, I look at it as an advertising ploy between PD and General Motors. It's not so much about putting the car in the game as it is about utilizing every form of advertising to sell a product.
Of course it's an advertising ploy. What else would it be? They are trying to capitalize on the excitement generated by the unveiling of the new Corvette. As an advertising ploy it's pretty good IF they follow it with the release of the real car in the game. Otherwise it's a wasted opportunity and an incredible fail. The baggy corvette is a teaser to get you excited about the real car and the game. They can build on that with the release of the actual car in game(probably paid dlc). If not we just end up with a baggy car that no one cares about.
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Ah, yes the old advertising ploy.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9Ut_oSvu68s/Tig8cv7MMoI/AAAAAAAAI5Q/o7kdtHe-9c0/s1600/inspectorclousseau.jpg)
Cato! You imbecile, not now Cato!
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My thoughtsrobably not worth the time to write out but here it goes. Pd and many manufacturers should be getting togehter in a marriage of mutual benefit. Car makers could generate interest in a market segment that obviously has a thing for driving. And if we knew thta the game would be getting fresh material in vehicles it would help the games lifespan. There are more thoughts but for now I am going back to watching motorweek review a pair of Callaways.
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Honestly, PD probably had access to the C7 before that ' mule' was unveiled to the press at a recent auto show. And to be fair on my original issue, I think the base engine with 4 hundred and whatever horsepower is the only one GM has confirmed for the C7.
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Steve is right on the money and was correct in agreeing with my initial assessment. :lolz
There won't be a GT7. Not gonna happen. The Gran Turismo series is a dinosaur and now they're jumping the shark, hoping to catch lightning in a bottle one last time. To be honest, I question if we'll see GT6. Actually, I've been wondering about that for a while.
They saw an opportunity with the new Corvette. And realize, it's not just a new model year Corvette, it's a new freaking generation of Corvette. The car has been around for 60 years, and to date, there have only been 6 previous generations...this is big in the car world. PD has jumped on GM's coat tails to help push their dying product.
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My thoughtsrobably not worth the time to write out but here it goes. Pd and many manufacturers should be getting togehter in a marriage of mutual benefit. Car makers could generate interest in a market segment that obviously has a thing for driving. And if we knew thta the game would be getting fresh material in vehicles it would help the games lifespan. There are more thoughts but for now I am going back to watching motorweek review a pair of Callaways.
That's exactly why I never understood Porsche deciding to give EA an exclusive license. Sure they make a few bucks but they lose out on advertising to a large portion of their target demographic. Imagine if just 100 out of the 9,000,000 GT5 owners decides to buy a Porsche because they plaid it in game. That's probably $10,000,000 in sales right there. I know that when my plan to make millions finally goes through, that I'll be more likely to buy something like an Aston or Ferrari rather than a Porsche.
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I find it odd that they're including a Vette that seems to be weaker in many ways than the C6. I haven't driven it yet, but it seems like it includes the base engine (unlike the Z06(C6) in GT5). It is also almost 100kg heavier than said Z06 (C6), even though it has a smaller engine. This, when GM claims loosing weight was one of their goals with the C7. What am I missing? Is the Z06 lighter than the base Vette?
I haven't driven it yet, but I don't have great expectations. I'm betting the Z06 (C6) is more enjoyable, and may even prefer the Z05 (C5).
Yes, the base C6 is heavier than the C6 Z06. They don't share much at all. Different body panels, different materials even. I understand the dislike for this C7 prototype but people forget that the "base" C6 is a far cry from the Z06 or even the GS. It comes standard with all season tires and only gets by with floating caliper pistons, which is just flat out ridiculous for a sports car like that.
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My thoughtsrobably not worth the time to write out but here it goes. Pd and many manufacturers should be getting togehter in a marriage of mutual benefit. Car makers could generate interest in a market segment that obviously has a thing for driving. And if we knew thta the game would be getting fresh material in vehicles it would help the games lifespan. There are more thoughts but for now I am going back to watching motorweek review a pair of Callaways.
That's exactly why I never understood Porsche deciding to give EA an exclusive license. Sure they make a few bucks but they lose out on advertising to a large portion of their target demographic. Imagine if just 100 out of the 9,000,000 GT5 owners decides to buy a Porsche because they plaid it in game. That's probably $10,000,000 in sales right there. I know that when my plan to make millions finally goes through, that I'll be more likely to buy something like an Aston or Ferrari rather than a Porsche.
Well that's a shame, as I suppose you won't be tracking your sports cars. As far as track worthiness goes a Porsche is far, far far ahead of anything offered by Ferrari or Aston Martin.
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My thoughtsrobably not worth the time to write out but here it goes. Pd and many manufacturers should be getting togehter in a marriage of mutual benefit. Car makers could generate interest in a market segment that obviously has a thing for driving. And if we knew thta the game would be getting fresh material in vehicles it would help the games lifespan. There are more thoughts but for now I am going back to watching motorweek review a pair of Callaways.
That's exactly why I never understood Porsche deciding to give EA an exclusive license. Sure they make a few bucks but they lose out on advertising to a large portion of their target demographic. Imagine if just 100 out of the 9,000,000 GT5 owners decides to buy a Porsche because they plaid it in game. That's probably $10,000,000 in sales right there. I know that when my plan to make millions finally goes through, that I'll be more likely to buy something like an Aston or Ferrari rather than a Porsche.
Well that's a shame, as I suppose you won't be tracking your sports cars. As far as track worthiness goes a Porsche is far, far far ahead of anything offered by Ferrari or Aston Martin.
What was I thinking? I must be a moron. Who the hell would take a Ferrari or an Aston to a track. They have no credibility when it comes to driving a car around a track. Thanks for setting me straight.
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That's exactly why I never understood Porsche deciding to give EA an exclusive license. Sure they make a few bucks but they lose out on advertising to a large portion of their target demographic. Imagine if just 100 out of the 9,000,000 GT5 owners decides to buy a Porsche because they plaid it in game. That's probably $10,000,000 in sales right there. I know that when my plan to make millions finally goes through, that I'll be more likely to buy something like an Aston or Ferrari rather than a Porsche.
This game has influenced me to buy:
1. S2000
2. Tacoma XRunner
3. Miata MX5
I have no desire to buy a Porsche. Wonder why? :D
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My thoughtsrobably not worth the time to write out but here it goes. Pd and many manufacturers should be getting togehter in a marriage of mutual benefit. Car makers could generate interest in a market segment that obviously has a thing for driving. And if we knew thta the game would be getting fresh material in vehicles it would help the games lifespan. There are more thoughts but for now I am going back to watching motorweek review a pair of Callaways.
That's exactly why I never understood Porsche deciding to give EA an exclusive license. Sure they make a few bucks but they lose out on advertising to a large portion of their target demographic. Imagine if just 100 out of the 9,000,000 GT5 owners decides to buy a Porsche because they plaid it in game. That's probably $10,000,000 in sales right there. I know that when my plan to make millions finally goes through, that I'll be more likely to buy something like an Aston or Ferrari rather than a Porsche.
Well that's a shame, as I suppose you won't be tracking your sports cars. As far as track worthiness goes a Porsche is far, far far ahead of anything offered by Ferrari or Aston Martin.
What was I thinking? I must be a moron. Who the hell would take a Ferrari or an Aston to a track. They have no credibility when it comes to driving a car around a track. Thanks for setting me straight.
While the point of the Porsche being a car that would withstand more punishment over other exotics is accurate. But maybe more true twenty years ago. High strung, fragile Italian exotics, British cars with electrical and quality issues while German cars have typically been well engineered durable vehicles. But as the Japanese ventured into more market segments namely the luxury and sports car segments they have forced the hands of every other manufacturer around the world to change their way of doing things. Some of the history remains though the globalization of these once independent companies might be eroding some of brand personality/identity.
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:popcorn
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Hey now, I'm just speaking the truth here :P
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My thoughtsrobably not worth the time to write out but here it goes. Pd and many manufacturers should be getting togehter in a marriage of mutual benefit. Car makers could generate interest in a market segment that obviously has a thing for driving. And if we knew thta the game would be getting fresh material in vehicles it would help the games lifespan. There are more thoughts but for now I am going back to watching motorweek review a pair of Callaways.
That's exactly why I never understood Porsche deciding to give EA an exclusive license. Sure they make a few bucks but they lose out on advertising to a large portion of their target demographic. Imagine if just 100 out of the 9,000,000 GT5 owners decides to buy a Porsche because they plaid it in game. That's probably $10,000,000 in sales right there. I know that when my plan to make millions finally goes through, that I'll be more likely to buy something like an Aston or Ferrari rather than a Porsche.
Well that's a shame, as I suppose you won't be tracking your sports cars. As far as track worthiness goes a Porsche is far, far far ahead of anything offered by Ferrari or Aston Martin.
What was I thinking? I must be a moron. Who the hell would take a Ferrari or an Aston to a track. They have no credibility when it comes to driving a car around a track. Thanks for setting me straight.
While the point of the Porsche being a car that would withstand more punishment over other exotics is accurate. But maybe more true twenty years ago. High strung, fragile Italian exotics, British cars with electrical and quality issues while German cars have typically been well engineered durable vehicles. But as the Japanese ventured into more market segments namely the luxury and sports car segments they have forced the hands of every other manufacturer around the world to change their way of doing things. Some of the history remains though the globalization of these once independent companies might be eroding some of brand personality/identity.
:ikik I wanna get in on this.
CoughCayenneCough
Aston, certainly. But Ferrari? While the 911 is fast and powerful and the Turbo especially puts up a solid fight against most of Ferrari's trackable monsters, it is downright evil. The 911 is so ass-heavy, it's one of the hardest cars to take to its limit by your average Joe Trackday. The 458 is well balanced - hell, even the Cayman/Boxster is a better track day tool - but it lacks the power and speed of anything Ferrari has. That said, it's a fuckton cheaper too... I think the fun:dollars ratio is far more important and ramblerambleramble...
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Well if you're gonna bring up the 458 then you need to talk about the Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 or 911 GT2 RS. Those are closer in price to the 458 and will show them it's taillights at most tracks.
Regardless I was talking durability, not speed :D
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Well if you're gonna bring up the 458 then you need to talk about the Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 or 911 GT2 RS. Those are closer in price to the 458 and will show them it's taillights at most tracks.
Regardless I was talking durability, not speed :D
I was including the RS in there. They still have a lot of weight behind them rear wheels...
And what about crashability and balance? ;)
Porsche™, proudly bringing you throttle-off oversteer insta-death since 1963.
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I'll admit that we're going way off topic here, but the 911 Turbo's handling has been pretty darn fool proof for a while now. They have been AWD for almost 20 years at this point. Plus that rear weight bias helps in braking and lets you get on the throttle faster when coming out of turns. The GT3 and GT2 are RWD but are some of the best handling cars you can buy.
It's not your 1980's "widowmaker" anymore. :-X
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There's more to a car than how it performs. Corvettes v. Vipers is a perfect example. Generally speaking the base Viper kicks the shit out of the base Corvette. I think you could even argue that as rudimentary as Vipers are, they are considered more exotic than Corvettes because they aren't seen as much. Doesn't matter, the American Dream is still a Corvette.
I feel the same way about Porsches and Ferraris. Some Porsches outrun Ferraris but more people are going to stop and stare when they see a Testarossa than any other Porsche.
I like Porsches, but I'll take any Ferrari over any Porsche any day, simply for the WOW factor.
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Do you guys seriously believe that Ferrari makes anything that will tolerate track day abuse better than Porsche? I am never going to own either and wouldn't want one even if I had the kind of cash needed but I understand the merits of both brands. The modern Ferrari has gotten better on build quality and Porsche's handling on most of the recent 911's are not much worse than a mid engine car.
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Do you guys seriously believe that Ferrari makes anything that will tolerate track day abuse better than Porsche? I am never going to own either and wouldn't want one even if I had the kind of cash needed but I understand the merits of both brands. The modern Ferrari has gotten better on build quality and Porsche's handling on most of the recent 911's are not much worse than a mid engine car.
It's funny you mention it. The owner of the dealer I work for had a Ferrari and it broke just sitting in his garage. :lolz
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I may have missed the boat here because I didn't realize we were talking about racing or track days. I was simply commenting on which car had the 'it' factor.
My Z06 is almost 11 years old and has 9700 miles on it. Not a scratch to be found, mint condition. There's a guy who works at the tire place. His Corvette is 35 years old. He's down over a hundred horsepower and has tires thinner than my daily driver Infiniti. In ANY race, I'd destroy him (in either car). I told him I'd happily trade him straight up...both my cars for his old, antiquated Corvette. He laughed at me.
Car ownership isn't all about performance.
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I agree 100% Rick. But i was drawn in when someone mentioned the Porsche being more durable than its Italian counterpart and someone else seemed to scoff at that thought.
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I agree 100% Rick. But i was drawn in when someone mentioned the Porsche being more durable than its Italian counterpart and someone else seemed to scoff at that thought.
First this train of thought is way off topic. My original point was that having your cars in a game is a form of advertising so keeping your cars out of a game that sell tens of millions of copies might not be a great idea.
I don't think that anyone scoffed at the idea that Porsche would be more durable. I scoffed at the insinuation that you couldn't take a Ferrari or Aston to a track. Which, at the time, sounded quite fanboyish to me.
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I still say the C7 prototype is covered in bags. Sorry, gift wrapping paper. ;D
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11 maybe scoff was the wrong word but you sarcastically refer to yourself as a moron at someones claim of the porsche being far more track worthy. Scoff was the best word I could think of when writing of it in a later post. I can see where the use of the word far three times in that phrase was probably a bit much though.
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11 maybe scoff was the wrong word but you sarcastically refer to yourself as a moron at someones claim of the porsche being far more track worthy. Scoff was the best word I could think of when writing of it in a later post. I can see where the use of the word far three times in that phrase was probably a bit much though.
No, scoff is a good word for what I was getting at. You are just misinterpreting what I was scoffing at. The post I was scoffing at was suggesting that it would be stupid to take your Ferrari or Aston to the track. I think that's absurd. That and the fact that the comment totally missed the point that I was getting at kind of pissed me off. It wasn't a question of what would be far more track worthy (which would be a matter of opinion). If I'm buying a Aston, I'm not buying it for its legendary reliability or it's ability on the track. but that wouldn't stop me from taking it to the track or having a blast doing so.
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I still say the C7 prototype is covered in bags. Sorry, gift wrapping paper. ;D
I say "bodybag"
I'll admit that we're going way off topic here, but the 911 Turbo's handling has been pretty darn fool proof for a while now. They have been AWD for almost 20 years at this point. Plus that rear weight bias helps in braking and lets you get on the throttle faster when coming out of turns. The GT3 and GT2 are RWD but are some of the best handling cars you can buy.
It's not your 1980's "widowmaker" anymore. :-X
Ah, I stand corrected. From the newest issue of Car and Driver on the old 911s: "The rear-engine layout wasn't the problem. It was the semi-trailing-arm rear suspension. When unloaded (lift-off) it caused the rear tires to shift from negative to positive camber and reduced the rear outside tire's toe-in" making it want to spin.
Who knew?
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11 maybe scoff was the wrong word but you sarcastically refer to yourself as a moron at someones claim of the porsche being far more track worthy. Scoff was the best word I could think of when writing of it in a later post. I can see where the use of the word far three times in that phrase was probably a bit much though.
No, scoff is a good word for what I was getting at. You are just misinterpreting what I was scoffing at. The post I was scoffing at was suggesting that it would be stupid to take your Ferrari or Aston to the track. I think that's absurd. That and the fact that the comment totally missed the point that I was getting at kind of pissed me off. It wasn't a question of what would be far more track worthy (which would be a matter of opinion). If I'm buying a Aston, I'm not buying it for its legendary reliability or it's ability on the track. but that wouldn't stop me from taking it to the track or having a blast doing so.
Hey now, I wasn't saying you couldn't take them to the track, I was just trying to say that, b/c the most tracky worthy sports maker wasn't in a video game you were going to not consider one? I wasn't calling you an idiot. :-*
Also I respect and revere Porsche more than Ferrari or Aston because just about any mere mortal can afford one (albeit used).
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"Off topic". In a Tuna thread?! (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/LMFAO.gif)
We prefer to call it "tunafied" (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/threaddirection.gif)
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YEP, usually gets back to topic - eventually :D
*For those who don't know: : + Tunafy will get you: (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/threaddirection.gif)
also, also, weren't we talking about some baggy-assed corvette? :laugh (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
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Beware 6rd gear! I got my best top-end at Speed Test in 5st. Great tuning Kaz... ::)
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also, also, weren't we talking about some baggy-assed corvette? :laugh (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)
Hey, that's not some average trash bag; it looks bio-degradable. So at least it won't last forever in junk yards.
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Beware 6rd gear! I got my best top-end at Speed Test in 5st. Great tuning Kaz... ::)
That is more than likely corredt as many many amnufacturers use 6th as a "highway cruise" gear to help their cars meet cafe standards.
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even "cruising" one would think you would develop an increase in momentum and a higher speed.
:-\ maybe the bag causes drag...
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I just had to find out. In case anyone was wondering, yes, you can run your bag through the car wash.
Can't paint the bag, but you can wash it ::)
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I'd love to see the gear ratios on this car.
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I'd love to see the gear ratios on this car.
You will - 1/13/13 :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh
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It's really no surprise these days. The Viper, every single current Corvette, Camaro, etc all have extremely tall 6th gears to let them cruise at 65 mph with the engine only turning 1800-1900 rpm.
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If anyone is interested, I will be having a C7 Monday night, soon.
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If anyone is interested, I will be having a C7 Monday night, soon.
Is that a "KY SOON"?
I mean, I'd be in it if it is after we can DL the REAL McCoy C7 and not the Burlap test vehicle.
I want to be able to "TUNE" the beast (or at the very least, CHANGE TIRES). :D
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It will be a real soon, as in the Monday after the car is updated. :-*
I've been driving this thing, to see if I could better my time, but it is still 20 seconds off the record. Dan is just over the top with his 7'16 time.
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Doc, you're killing us w the "Vurt da Furk" Swedish Chef....that's like 4 posts....Perhaps you should make that a widget. It is funny!
Yeah, that's the ticket, make it a widget!
Doh! Bart! Where have you been?
Allstar: More Like, "Doh, Croonah, where have YOU been?"
Croonah: "oh stuff it, Allstar!"
Allstar: "wake up, Croonah!"
Croonah: "WAT?"
Allstar: Nvrmind! :facepalm
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It will be a real soon, as in the Monday after the car is updated. :-*
I've been driving this thing, to see if I could better my time, but it is still 20 seconds off the record. Dan is just over the top with his 7'16 time.
Awesome time in the TT MGT 8). I don't have the patience to run any more attempts. Two clean laps with about 15 off track resets. LOL :)
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Thanks. Time is a big problem, which is why I avoid most time trial competitions. On Nurburgring, I find that the first 3 hours is the longest 45 seconds, though. If you can nail that first mile, the rest of the Ring is relatively easy, but it is a tough mile.
I was following DaletonaDave and noticed him doing what probably holds most drivers back there. If you don't approach a curve with the proper out-in-out line, you will be slower; if you don't anticipate what's coming up after the approaching curve, you will be slower; if you don't brake early enough, so that you can accelerate out of the exits, you will be slower.
If you can improve these three things, a "natural" course is not all that difficult.
I hosted a two-lap replay and a ghost of back-to-back 7'39.x C7 laps that are less than one second apart, if anyone wants some practice. The laps were early laps, so I ran up on the sidewalk both times, but that is my only real complaint. They show that you can be consistent, though, and that's their point. I will post the link, later, if anyone wants them.
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reveal in less than 10 min: 2014 Corvette Live Reveal at 7 PM EST | 2014 Corvette | Chevrolet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsQGcD0TJvw#ws)
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I like it, as much as the C6, a bit more I guess. Better/upgraded 6.2 engine, more aluminum, better chassis. Good things.
And on the original topic, I think the C7 we have is pretty good. It's what you'd expect from the base model, any of my complaints would simply be that we didn't get a higher spec C7...but they're not even announced even now. The C7 drove well at Sarthe at one event I was at, my only complaint would be weight and gearing. It was good too at the seasonal TT, the main challenge being the tires (and weight).
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I watched a reasonable chunk of that video. Technologically / mechanically speaking it does seem interesting, probably best I don't comment on how it looks :).
Be interesting to see how it handles in the game if / when we get the production one.
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I like it, as much as the C6, a bit more I guess. Better/upgraded 6.2 engine, more aluminum, better chassis. Good things.
And on the original topic, I think the C7 we have is pretty good. It's what you'd expect from the base model, any of my complaints would simply be that we didn't get a higher spec C7...but they're not even announced even now. The C7 drove well at Sarthe at one event I was at, my only complaint would be weight and gearing. It was good too at the seasonal TT, the main challenge being the tires (and weight).
I'm not entirely sure about the rear tail lights but other than that, I like it. Better than any corvette for the last 30 years or so.
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I didn't like the C5s when they first came out. Then it grew on me and I bought one. The C6s never did much for me, but they grew on me and I considered trading in my C5. The C7 doesn't do much for me, but I'm sure it'll grow on me. However, I could do without the Camaro rear end.
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I didn't like the C5s when they first came out. Then it grew on me and I bought one. The C6s never did much for me, but they grew on me and I considered trading in my C5. The C7 doesn't do much for me, but I'm sure it'll grow on me. However, I could do without the Camaro rear end.
This. The Corvette is a halo car... it's not supposed to slink to the parts bin during a redesign. It doesn't need to follow the rules of corporate design language.
That said, I think it's a pretty awesome looking car. I can't help but see a bit of Ferrari 599 in there...
(http://www.corvetteblogger.com/images/content/2013/011313_1b.jpg)
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The cat is out of the bag... (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/01/2014-corvette-general-motors-unveils-brand-new-stingray/)
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I didn't like the C5s when they first came out. Then it grew on me and I bought one. The C6s never did much for me, but they grew on me and I considered trading in my C5. The C7 doesn't do much for me, but I'm sure it'll grow on me. However, I could do without the Camaro rear end.
This. The Corvette is a halo car... it's not supposed to slink to the parts bin during a redesign. It doesn't need to follow the rules of corporate design language.
That said, I think it's a pretty awesome looking car. I can't help but see a bit of Ferrari 599 in there...
(http://www.corvetteblogger.com/images/content/2013/011313_1b.jpg)
I really like the design of the car....It's edgy and at the same time while elegant, it still has that menacing look . The part I like the least is that it has the Camaro-like rear end.....not really what I would call "halo", Stepper, as I really do think that GM did bow to the Camaro on those atrocious taillights. They do NOT fit the car. One of the TRADEMARKS and, if you will, SIGATURES of the Corvette from 1960 to the end of the C-6 production was the "bullet" Taillights. They missed the mark, putting those ugly lights on the back, IMHO. The rest of the car's design is immaculate. Probably the only other comment I could make at this time is about the rake of the rear window. I think it is too flat and will be a visual impairment..it could have been less of a rake. That's also the reason they had a bigger "canvas" for the rear of the car - to paint (put) those Ugly FUCKING taillights on it, (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)
But let's see what we can do with the production model and some decent weight mods. C'mon, PD get yer ass in gear and send 'er out! And speaking of ass (once more) , if I ever take any shots of this new C7 in the game, there won't be any pics of her ugly ass, heh, heh. :D
I STILL contend that the Mid-Year Corvettes (c.1963 - c.1967) were the prettiest Stingrays to grace the planet.
(http://i.imgur.com/xAbtc.jpg)
But in the END (pun intended), I would probably take a C7 if it were given me, (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
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I can't help but see a bit of Ferrari 599 in there...
After pondering it some more last night and this morning I'd definitely agree with that, though to me it almost seems like the unexpected by product of a union between Camaro and 599. Don't get me wrong I do kind of like the styling on the 599, the front 1/3st of this new Vette doesn't look entirely bad to me (from certain angles the whole car even looks "ok") but that's probably because I'm thinking Ferrari not Corvette.
Mind you I probably don't have much room to talk about what's good styling because I actually like the look of the C4 ;D, the C5, C6 and now C7 just don't have the looks that make me fizz like the C4 and it's predecessors do. Though this isn't limited to Chevrolet, I see the same kind of design / styling from Dodge and SRT with the newer Vipers too, I loved the '95-'02 styling of the R/T and GTS but the newer ones seem to be going down the same road as the Corvette.. ooh pun :).
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Agreed with Steve. The tail lights and entire rear end miss the mark badly. Also agree, the C2s are the most attractive.
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But in the END (pun intended), I would probably take a C7 if it were given me, (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)
Well, according to MastrGT (posted on the PSN forum) we'll be given the C7 Stingray for free on the 15th.. though you were probably talking about a real one, right Croonstar? :)
Speaking of "real ones", if I won the lottery and were in the market for a new fancy modern sports car I'd take this over a C7 any day..
(http://blog.truecar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2013-SRT-Viper-GTS-Launch-Edition-Pebble-Beach-SR013_066VP2.jpg)
.. but I'm weird like that :D.
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The Stingray isn't bad looking, the split window was my fav! On a side note i would rather have one of these anyway!
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Yup, we definitely are getting this car as free DLC tomorrow!!! ^-^
Now, as to the styling...I understand the complaints for no longer having round rear taillights. HOWEVER, given the styling of the car round taillights don't fit at all. The car is full of sharp angles, and round taillights would be out of place in my opinion.
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One thing i don't understand is the black roof, why?
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Kind of an edgy evolution of the C6, with Italian influence...I was gonna say 599 earlier, but held back for some reason. Hell, i was gonna compare it to a Ferrari when the C6 was realeased. I don't see a problem there. I'm with Dawson, the tail lights fit even if they look like Chev's 'cheap sports car' , they're a bit edgier still than the Camaro I think, not the same, just similar.
I can't say I like the Viper much.
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Croonah: "Oh, Balls......I thought we were going to have to PAY for this".
Allstar: "Croonah, YOU IDIOT! Some of the nicest things are free in life"
Croonah: "Yeah, like mothers-in-law and the flu"
Allstar: "Meh, whaddya gonna do? He's a complete Maroon!"
I think we should all get together online and reac these suckers tonite. Can somebody get in touch with "Hotstepper" and see if we can use 'em at TUTU Tonight?
(maybe we could just "tweak the suspension and gearing a wee bit, eh?)
Oh, and Feldynn: While I love the 1999 Viper, and you have a beautiful setup for that car (thank you very much!) the rest you can have - they are too unwieldy for my liking.
I also Think we should have another IRR Race at DRC in Rick's honor and use the new STINGRAYS
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Take a brand new Corvette to a demolition derby? I could be persuaded.
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One thing i don't understand is the black roof, why?
It's clear-coated carbon fiber. The implication of which is that the car is a true exotic on par with all those other carbon fiber-laden supercars.
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One thing i don't understand is the black roof, why?
It's clear-coated carbon fiber. The implication of which is that the car is a true exotic on par with all those other carbon fiber-laden supercars.
Less weight in the roof equals lower center of gravity.
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OHMAHGRRD.
Now that I can take a few seconds away from being very TMI about the new Vette...wanted to chime in a few things.
First, while #1a in my billion dollar garage is the Ferrari 288 GTO (84) the #1 is the 1963 Split Window Sting Ray. Further more (for those who know about me & my writing) my world was created on my 7rd birthday when I named my first character Rex Stingray...after the Corvette Stingray ('76). So this car & name mean quite a lot to me.
Onto the car/review...
1th, The Camaro Tail Lights. Would have preferred something different. However I've gotten used to them, like I've gotten used to the rest of the angular Booty.
2st, You all skipped a car in the 'where did this come from'. Sad to say but if you look at the roofline back to the tail it's almost pure GTR. I don't have photoshop & suck at blocking out pictures, but someone here can do it.
3nd, I. LOVE. THIS. CAR. Other than the tail lights there's not a thing I don't like about it! I so hope it's coming to the D.C. Auto Show on Feb 1nd..! Can't wait for the chance to throw a more powerful tune on the engine...just to see how the rest handles. ZR-1 is my target.
4rd, 4rd sucks. Go chevy. :P
5nd, While I'm thinking it may be difficult to do a TuTu tonight (PS store updates when?) I'm totally going to be on the track in several of these, the way I drive Miuras now. And in case anyone was checking I have a combined 23k+ miles on my Miuras right now.
6st, Youse guys rock.
7rd, this was my 700rd post! That's timing.
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4rd, 4rd sucks. Go chevy. :P
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The online service will go offline at 3:00pm EST and return at 5:00pm EST, so as of this post we have about 2 more hours to wait before we can go to the store and DL the new STINGRAY.
Please adjust for timezones accordingly.
That is all.
:laugh :D
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The online service will go offline at 3:00pm EST and return at 5:00pm EST, so as of this post we have about 2 more hours to wait before we can go to the store and DL the new STINGRAY.
Please adjust for timezones accordingly.
That is all.
:laugh :D
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/710151/thumbs/s-ERMAHGERD-MEME-large.jpg)
TER MEHR HERURS!!!
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Take a brand new Corvette to a demolition derby? I could be persuaded.
I might even BUY you one (virtually, of course, LOL)
And Who doesn't want to try out the stress levels of the New Vette anyways? (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
After all, over a 1G skid pad turning radius? Makes me drunk thinking about it.
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Take a brand new Corvette to a demolition derby? I could be persuaded.
I might even BUY you one (virtually, of course, LOL)
And Who doesn't want to try out the stress levels of the New Vette anyways? (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)
After all, over a 1G skid pad turning radius? Makes me drunk thinking about it.
I might be misunderstanding this, but don't a lot of cars pop a G on the skid pad? My car is ten years old and it does it. The Z06 and the ZR1 do it. I think even one of the shitty new Rustangs does it. I guess the point is the STANDARD Corvette now does it??? Or, am I missing something?
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I think ima gonna paint mine like this
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Okay Revengel them there is fighting words! Ford rules the and Chevy sucks! :P
PS. Like i have posted before i will take one of these over the Vette!
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Okay Revengel them there is fighting words! Ford rules the and Chevy sucks! :P
PS. Like i have posted before i will take one of these over the Vette!
(http://www.sadanduseless.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/673.jpg)
All slapstick aside, we should have a 4rd vs. Chevy evnet...unless I already missed it..?
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All slapstick aside, we should have a 4rd vs. Chevy evnet...
What's the point? I can already tell you Chevy would win (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
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All slapstick aside, we should have a 4rd vs. Chevy evnet...
What's the point? I can already tell you Chevy would win (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)
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Okay Revengel them there is fighting words! Ford rules the and Chevy sucks! :P
PS. Like i have posted before i will take one of these over the Vette!
They both suck. :P
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When I can paint that car, I sure will!
By the way like many of you, I too am saddened by the lack of tunage...but I'm going to take a different approach. I'm going to drive the :fuck out of this car and give feedback.
When I was in 6nd grade I send a letter and a car design to GM. I got a form letter back, but I loved it. Now that my all time favorite car is back it's time to re-awaken that part of me.
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Paul: Father... father, the sleeper has awakened!
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Paul: Now remember, walk without rhythm, and we won't attract the worm.
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Paul: Now remember, walk without rhythm, and we won't attract the worm.
I would have made a great Fremen. I have no rhythmn.
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Interview with Chevy`s chief engineer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nV3wOGC9Ctw#!
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Steve is right on the money and was correct in agreeing with my initial assessment. (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/zLOL.gif)
There won't be a GT7. Not gonna happen. The Gran Turismo series is a dinosaur and now they're jumping the shark, hoping to catch lightning in a bottle one last time. To be honest, I question if we'll see GT6. Actually, I've been wondering about that for a while.
They saw an opportunity with the new Corvette. And realize, it's not just a new model year Corvette, it's a new freaking generation of Corvette. The car has been around for 60 years, and to date, there have only been 6 previous generations...this is big in the car world. PD has jumped on GM's coat tails to help push their dying product.
Hey guys. Sorry I've been a way for a while and I'm thrilled that this discussion is continuing:D
about the comment above... I have heard from a GM management relative of mine that GM was ecstatic at the opportunity and buzz was huge on their abillity to share this car with the public in GT5. That doesn't mean PD wasn't the one to approach them. Who knows? The fact that it mutually benefits PD is not insignificant for a point, but I don't think GT5 is begging GM for cars, mind you.
Croonah mentioned that it is an advertising ploy...
It should be remembered that to the execs who make these decisions, on the game side and the manufacturer side, it is ALWAYS about money... so yea it's an advertising ploy.
But the reason it works as an advertising ploy is because games are about fun and so are sports cars. They knkow we like fun, cars, and games, so it's a perfect fit. The fact that something is a "ploy" doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing or done for the wrong reasons.
For now I'm just happy that because of PD's success at making a good physics engine (for its time, and certainly being surpassed by others now) that they have garnered enough respect from manufacturers to be able to faithfully reproduce their cars digitally.
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I didn't like the C5s when they first came out. Then it grew on me and I bought one. The C6s never did much for me, but they grew on me and I considered trading in my C5. The C7 doesn't do much for me, but I'm sure it'll grow on me. However, I could do without the Camaro rear end.
This. The Corvette is a halo car... it's not supposed to slink to the parts bin during a redesign. It doesn't need to follow the rules of corporate design language.
That said, I think it's a pretty awesome looking car. I can't help but see a bit of Ferrari 599 in there...
(http://www.corvetteblogger.com/images/content/2013/011313_1b.jpg)
Agreed there is an attempt to make this look more ferarri like, which I actually applaud. It's made it look exotic, sexy, but still "muscly".
The rear-end worried me until I really got a good look at it. It looks way nicer than the camaros you see 100 times a day (in Mi anyways). It's a departure from the normal circle tails, but I can forgive, I suppose.
The car looks really special, which is something they really had to nail.
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Jay Leno`s Garage with the designer.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=423_1359054887
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sweet...
mastergt heard through the grapevine that we actually had the Corvette Project Manager in our race back in December using the Masked version of this car.
but we didn't know who it was so didn't have the opportunity to chat at all. found out a month later that he was there ;)
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Well that didn't take very long.
http://ca.autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/first-corvette-stingray-wreck-already-history-books-011152790.html (http://ca.autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/first-corvette-stingray-wreck-already-history-books-011152790.html)
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Well that didn't take very long.
http://ca.autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/first-corvette-stingray-wreck-already-history-books-011152790.html (http://ca.autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/first-corvette-stingray-wreck-already-history-books-011152790.html)
FIRST! LOL