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Online Events => Other Online Events => Topic started by: dlrws6 on July 01, 2012, 11:55:22 AM
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... and I don't necessarily mean NASCARP. (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)
I have no firm plans, right now I'm just fishing for comments, suggestions, criticisms and ideas or perhaps inspire a better evnet organizer.
I've been thing about his for a while and to date it's not really been all that practical of an idea with only 2 real ovals and the uber-snoozer oval Route X. But now that Twin Ring Motegi has been added to the mix. I'm starting to think this may be doable. Here is what I've got so far.
1 Championship based on best 4 of 5 finishes, 5 races each under two hours long at the following tracks but not necessarily in the posted order, with perhaps a once a month or biweekly evnet and photo session schedule.
7/13 Updated with corrected race order and lap counts
1. Daytona Oval - 100 laps
2. Motegi Oval - 167 laps
3. Indy Oval - 100 laps
4. Route X - 12 laps
5. ??? - Still Needs testing.
Double file rolling starts, heavy damage, weak draft and standard tuna type cautions.
As for cars??? I've got several ideas. Obviously NASCARP, but I'm not very fond of the cup cars we have access to. Other options could be a ~1,000kg/600hp F-GT, Camaro RM's kinda like IROC (I think Ronin suggested this once) or some other spec car, Group C cars, or it might even be fun to run an extremely nerfed X2010. I'm totally open to ideas.
Let me know what you think.
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Has Boston seen this?
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I looked the other night for the motegi oval and was unable to find it. Granted I was pretty drunk at the time so it may actually be there.
I'd like to see the group c cars.
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I looked the other night for the motegi oval and was unable to find it.
It's only 1.5 miles long... :(
Look up near the top of your track list.
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I looked the other night for the motegi oval and was unable to find it.
It's only 1.5 miles long... :(
Look up near the top of your track list.
ah ok
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I looked the other night for the motegi oval and was unable to find it.
It's only 1.5 miles long... :(
Look up near the top of your track list.
Were you hoping for another 2+ mile track?
I'm actually kind of thank full its not. Still I'd prefer a proper half mile or 1 mile oval.
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Were you hoping for another 2+ mile track?
:nods
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An interesting idea hit me...these cars could get similar HP and kg numbers...same era cars. Big three.
Mustang SVT Cobra R (standard)
Viper GTS (there's a standard and a premium)
Vette (C5) (there's a standard and a premium)
Any other thing that might work - I did a little testing at IRC - is the RM match up of the Z06, TVR, and RX7 TC. It would require more oval testing though.
I personally don't think a short created track would fit in with ovals. HSR would be more appropriate. It is possible to make long high speed tracks with just a few high-medium speed corners and a pit lane (Toscana - tarmac)
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An interesting idea hit me...these cars could get similar HP and kg numbers...same era cars. Big three.
Mustang SVT Cobra R (standard)
Viper GTS (there's a standard and a premium)
Vette (C5) (there's a standard and a premium)
Any other thing that might work - I did a little testing at IRC - is the RM match up of the Z06, TVR, and RX7 TC. It would require more oval testing though.
I personally don't think a short created track would fit in with ovals. HSR would be more appropriate. It is possible to make long high speed tracks with just a few high-medium speed corners and a pit lane (Toscana - tarmac)
Those are pretty good ideas. I'll have to play around with them. I'm also noodling with the idea of using the premium Mustang, Camaro and Challenger. I think either the vintage or the current genrations of these cars could be balanced fairly easy with each other. And it would be some what historically accurate, for a brief time in the 70s there was a pony car oval series.
I see your point about the short track and I also have multiple concerns with it. Especially If we were to go with high horse power cars like the Group C cars. I'll set a sample short track to my favorites next time I log in. If any one wants to try it out and give me your thoughts.
I've got a little bit of spare time thanks to the holiday this week and I hope to do some testing.
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I'd be interested in this for sure. a whole bunch of cars packed within 2-3 tenths where 1 mistake can wreck the whole field sounds like a blast to me(I might even learn a few new phrases:P).
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I may have a couple of high speed "oval" created tracks. I know I have a pretty decent kart one; but the ones based on Eiffel, Toscano, and "Aso" Mountain all have elevation changes.
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hey, Kaz! did you hear that - elevation control would be a nice addition to the course creator. maybe some "corner" check boxes for insertion of chicane, hairpin, esses, and "blind" corners.switches for chicane. if you ain't gonna give us new tracks (or are going to charge us for ones already on the disc) the least you could do is give us a way to get rid of the God-awful blind jumping corners your course creating monkey-code always seems to want to generate. It takes hours to build a truly nice, unique, drive-able and (even more importantly) race-able track.
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and we want oil changes in lobbies and lounges!!!
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That reminds me that at some point I need to change my shared track. I got one shaped like a
fish Tuna that doesn't have any blind turns. It's not half bad and maybe half good. :o
I'd be happy with a oval track editor. Give us two options oval and tri-oval. With the following changeable parameters:
Time of day
Turn sharpness
Turn banking (say 0 to 50°)
Track width
Track distance
What can I say I'm into ovals lately.
On topic I've got some updates to share. I'm going to set all the races to ~250 miles. The lap counts will be below along with the order of the races. Also I'll update the first post. Right now I'm still testing cars. Running the Mustang, Camaro and Challenger is looking a little iffy at the moment. I've got the cars equal at Daytona and Route X but the Mustang can't keep up at the other tracks. I've got a few more tricks to try but I may start looking at other options (Group C). If you want to try out what I'm testing I'm currently running all 3 with max mods limited to 680hp and 1420kg with the intent of leaving every thing else open.
More to come...
Races
1. Daytona 100 laps
2. Twin Ring 167 laps
3. Indy 100 laps
4. Route X 12 laps
5. Open (I think I need to get the cars sorted out first)
Or I could drop race five and call the series "A Thousand Miles to No where"
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i have a great deal of interest in this event so i did some testing on my own for cars that would run similar times. i decided on cars that would have been vintage nascars and tested them with no aero or superchargers. abs and all other aids off. i tested these cars at DSS for 4-5 laps in clean air no tire wear and tranny slider setting top speed to 254 mph on racing soft tires with max ride height. lightened to 1300+ kg and set to 1500kg with no front or rear ballast.
pontiac GTO 620 hp ran 46.7xx at DSS
dodge super bee 683 hp ran 46.7 at DSS
dodge 440 R/T 685hp ran 46.7 at DSS
mercury cougar 600hp ran 46.4 (45.4 @ 642hp)
plymouth cuda 647hp ran 46.7 (45.8 @ 691hp)
chevelle 728hp ran 47.5 (has a aero disadvantage i assume)
all cars had engine and chasis rebuilds prior to testing but all cars could have their open air times improved on with suspension and transmission adjustments. i didnt test the challengers, camaro's or mustangs since they are considered pony cars. the cuda and chevelle im not sure if the were ever raced in nascar events pretty sure the rest were(i'm proably wrong since all these cars are older than i am...). left the superbird out because it has a definite aero advantage. hope this is of some help for a future event.
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Grilled, I like that idea, I'll try it out when I get home tonight.
The biggest issue I'm finding so far though is that what works at Daytona may not match up well at Indy and Motegi. It looks to me like I may have to make up two sets of rules or go with cars from a common rules class like GT500, Nascar, or just a single car. I've got about 4 hours of play time tonight so hopefully I can figure something out in that time.
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spent a couple more hours testing today on the same cars...
had tire wear on in my lounge this time previous test was offline in practice due to error 286 not letting me in anyways burned 2 sets of tires off each of these cars today and modified gearing to get more out of them which meant dropping power on the cuda yet again:
gto 620hp 47.0xx 10laps on r3's
cougar 590hp 46.9xx 10laps on r3's
super bee 683hp 47.0xx 9 laps on r3's
440 R/T 685hp 47.2xx 9 laps on r3's
cuda 592hp 47.1xx 11laps on r3's with final set to 3.73 AFTER 254 top set with slider
chevelle 728hp 48.1xx ran only 2 laps not worth running anymore regardless of tire wear it obviously has a aero handicap ??? which is suprising to me since it has very similar body shape and over 100hp on most of the cars I tested.
All hp nerfing was done by swapping parts other than the computer to keep my peak power the same and not give a flat powerband(or have to change gears). not really sure if the cuda should be in this group since it has a tire wear advantage the chargers will proably have an advantage in the draft even tho they eat tires faster. also note with the ABS off these cars are a handlful to bring into pits without spinning on worn out tires... will also have to start over on the hp handicaps for motegi and indy most likly, aiming to keep the cars within 1/2 a second in clean air. the slower cars at daytona may have a handling or tire advantage at indy and motegi the 440 R/T in particular. possibly the best way to even the cars is to lock drivers to cars rather than have all the same cars at each track suspension should be left up to the drivers. possibly a weight or hp handicap for cars with better stock tire wear. that's enough babbling back to some driving indy and motegi will take more than 2 set of r3's to determine average times per car...
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tested all these cars at motegi on r1's all run average laps of 38.5xx the biggest factor is tire wear all can get 14-17 laps if not ran too aggressively completing a tire run with laps still in the low 40's ran the same setup as daytona other than setting brake pressure to 0/0 which will also help at the rest of courses for pit enterance.
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just finished up testing at indy with the same cars all ran times averaging 47.5-48 seconds for 10-12 laps the cuda should have hp dropped to 575-580hp to make up for its tire wear advantage. these times and tire wear can definitly be improved on since i was still running the daytona setup it was more for stock tire wear and an idea of times which met my goal of staying within 1/2 second of each other. i ran all 5 as unbiased and as fast as i could without abusing(sandbagging ain't in my nature).
With all that said i think the abilty to get in and out of pits without incident will be key to placing well. also been thinking that sports tires would give more realistic tire wear but 25Liters of fuel takes around 20 seconds 100L well over a minute...a road course thrown in the mix of tracks might also work possibly HSR or DRC they seem to be friendly to 2 and sometimes 3 wide racing.
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I think I finally got most of my ducks in a row. After trying out several ideas I decided to focus on a set of cars that seem to work well in a group. The results from my testing lead me to believe this combination should be a ton of fun. So with a little luck I can get the final details worked out and find a title sponsor and end up with enough people interested in running the series.
The cars I decided on are the late 80s early 90s Group C cars a/k/a prototypes:
Nissan R92CP (716hp)
Nissan R89C (750hp)
Sauber Mercedes C9 (725hp)
Toyota 88CV (719hp)
Mazda 787B (standard, premium and stealth) (677hp)
Jaguar XJR-9 LM (standard and premium) (737hp)
Peugeot 905 (748hp)
All cars must use racing tires and can be fully tuned and modified and all cars must weigh 900kg and must use the above stated HP limits.
The races will each be an approximate distance of 250 miles (about 2 hours long) and will take place at the following tracks.
1. Daytona Superspeedway (100 laps)
2. Twin Ring Motegi Super Speedway (167 laps)
3. Route X (12 laps) (No Damage)
4. Indianapolis Motor Speedway (100 laps)
There will be cautions and heave damage except where stated otherwise.
Assuming every thing works out I'd like to run one race a month. It unfortunately would make for a long series, but since the races are fairly long its probably best to spread them out to prevent getting burned out on ovals. Finally if everyone that is involved is intersted in it I would be willing to add 1 road course race into the mix.
If you want to get a general idea of what the racing might be like I recommend using one of the above cars set at 800HP and 900kg with racing hards in arcade mode. Set damage to heavy for extra fun. ;D
Any ways that's what I've come up with. If you have any thoughts or see any issues if you test it out. Let me know.
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I could be interested in this if the scheduling works out. I'm not a "huge" oval fan but I do like to throw one in the mix every once in a while so a once a month schedule is ideal.
I was actually brainstorming about starting a IMSA GTP race series so this could serve (for my skills) as a bit of a "warm up". ;D
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I could be interested in this if the scheduling works out. I'm not a "huge" oval fan but I do like to throw one in the mix every once in a while so a once a month schedule is ideal.
I was actually brainstorming about starting a IMSA GTP race series so this could serve (for my skills) as a bit of a "warm up". ;D
I can't express how badly I wanted to turn this into a true simulated Group C Seasion. I've been watching Group C and GTP races from the late 80's online and GT5 has many of the same tracks (although modernized) they use to run the WEC on. Spa, Nurberger ring, Monza, Le Mans, Fuji, Suzuka. Throw in Daytona road, since some of the teams would come over here for the 24 hour race. Add weather, time change, heavy damage and you've got a pretty accurate representation of what use to be run in the real world. Heck even PD's standard 100 liter fuel tank is true to the original Group C rules. The only rule I can't comfortably figure out how to replicate is the 2.5 liter per kilometer average fuel consumption rule that was in place. The only thing I personally would want to avoid is the 1000km race distance.
I'm not sure if there would be many people interested through. ???
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If you want to set something like that up let me know. I'd be down like Charlie Brown. :jimi:
I would be willing to help test for it as well.
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I'm not sure if there would be many people interested through. ???
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Pick me! Pick me! (As long as the Ring isn't the only place we go :P)
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I could definitely be into this one. I've just been lurking 8) to see what takes shape.
Sounds like fun but if you throw in a road course I vote for Spa.
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Give me one more week and I can give the final go or no go, set some dates and start taking names. ;D
I've got semi big plans, but I don't want another situation like I had with Sitting Duck where I burned out before I got most of what I wanted to do rolling. It more or less took me a year to recover from that. :'(
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Sorry I missed you Saturday morning. I set my alarm clock for 6am to wake me up, but it went off and I went to bed. :o
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Sorry I missed you Saturday morning. I set my alarm clock for 6am to wake me up, but it went off and I went to bed. :o
No problem Dude, the session was not very productive anyways. I some how slowed down by 1 sec. :-\
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I looked in my garage and only have the Minolta that I won somewhere in A spec.
I have looked and it's a level 23 ticket for these cars and I just don't have the cash for this much of an investment.
There are a lot of cars in this ticket and will probably take a long time to find a couple to test so if anyone out there can spare one I would be most grateful.
Thanks guys and I'm looking forward to this and having it spread out will help as well.
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"Houston we are go for launch" ^-^
Leaf, you are correct all the cars available are level 23. I've got a cloning ID called spittor. I'll send you a friend request this evening and can start sending you tickets. At least for me they come up pretty often. In fact its how I ended up with a complete set of 0 miles Group C cars.
I'll try and get the full details up tonight. I figure there will still be a decent sized gap before running the first round, to give every one time to get the necessary cars, practice, tune.
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Thanks Dlrws,
I will look for the FR tonight.
Like I said, I'm looking forward to this one.