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RoninTuna:
As we get closer to the date we test the multiclass racing I am getting a little excited. I've known for a wile I would need to expand a couple of the classes and do a little bit of adjusting the classes before employing the format into endurance racing. I have these set up as I would use them under the format I have been using for the test races. This list is not yet complete so some cars may get moved around a little and PP values for individual classes may change.
--Group-C (725pp)--
- R92CP Race Car '92 #1
- XJR-9 LM Race Car '88 Standard or Premium #2
- R89C Race Car '89 #23
- MINOLTA Toyota 88C-V Race Car '89 #36
- 787B Race car '91 #55
- Sauber Mercedes C9 Race Car '89 #63
- 787B Stealth Model
--LM-P (700pp)--
- 908 HDi FAP - Team Peugeot Total '10 or R8 Race Car '01 (Yellow) #1
- R8 Race Car '01 (Red) #2
- GT-ONE Race Car (TS020) '99 3
- 908 HDi FAP - Team Oreca Matmut '10 or R8 Race Car (Audi PlayStation Team ORECA) '05 #4
- Speed 8 Race Car '03 #7
- R10 TDI Race Car '06 #8
- V12 LMR Race Car '99 #15
- Pescarolo-Courage - Judd GV5 Race Car '04 (Green) or Courage C60 - Peugeot Race Car '03 (Green) #17
- Pescarolo-Courage - Judd GV5 Race Car '04 (Red) or Courage C60 - Peugeot Race Car '03 (Red) #18
- R10 TDI Stealth Model
--GT-1 (625pp)--
- CLK-LM Race Car '98 #2
- Ford GT LM Race Car 2004, 2004 Alternate or 2007 or Esperante GTR-1 Race Car '98 #4
- R8 LMS Race Car (Team PlayStation) '09 or 2000 Ford Falcon XR8 #5
- GT-R Concept LM Race Car #23
- Zonda LM Race Car #24
- R390 GT1 Race Car '98 #32
- XJ220 LM Race Car #41
- McLaren F1 GTR Race Car '97 #42
- Corvette C5-R (C5) '00 #64
- Camaro LM Race Car #65
- GT-R N24 Schulze Motor Sports '11 #71
- Fairlady Z Concept LM Race Car #75
- NOMAD Diablo GT-1 '00 #88
- Viper GTS-R Team Oreca Race Car #51, #91
- RX-7 LM Race Car #00, #7, #18, #26, #30, #37, #93
- Corvette Z06 (C6) RM '06
- Corvette ZR1 (C6) RM '09
- GT-R R35 Touring Car
- McLaren F1 Stealth Model
--GT-2 (550pp)--
- AEM S2000 #4
- NSX-R Prototype LM Race Car #11
- M3 GTR Race Car '01 #42
- FALKENāGT-R Race Car '04 #44
- RX-8 Concept LM Race Car #55
- ALTEZZA Touring Car #10 #24 #35 #40
- IMPREZA Super Touring Car #57 #77 #87 #97
- Tuscan Speed 6 RM '00
- Lancer Evolution IX GSR RM '05
- INTEGRA TYPE R (DC5) RM '04
- IS F RM '07
- NSX RM '91
- Camaro SS RM '10
- Challenger SRT8 Touring Car
- SKYLINE GT-R R34 Touring Car
- IMPREZA Touring Car
- RX-7 Touring Car
- SILVIA spec-R AERO (S15) RM '02
--GT-3R (475pp)--
- Opera S2000 '04 #8
- IS 200 GT-1 Race Car '04 #10
- S2000 LM Race Car #30
- BMW 320i Touring Car '03 #42
- Spoon S2000 Race Car '00 #95
- Elise RM '96
- Elise 111R RM '04
- Lutecia Renault Sport Trophy Race Car '00 or Clio Renault Sport Trophy Race Car '00 # researching
--GT-3F (475pp)--
- INTEGRA TYPE R Touring Car #31
- Gathers Drider CIVIC Race Car '98 #77
- Atenza Touring Car or Mazda6 Touring Car #82
- New Beetle Cup Car '00 #2 #11 #15 #17 #18 #20 #21 #23
- CR-Z Touring Car
- PRIUS Touring Car
- CIVIC TYPE R (EK) RM '97
- Golf IV GTI RM '01
Wolfpack987:
Ronin, weren't all those 725PP race cars known as IMSA Group C race cars? Not Type C?
And I feel like that CLK-LM Race Car '98 doesn't belong in the 625PP class. I think 700PP would be more appropriate for it. (I believe it has over 800hp stock)
Turbo-Tuna:
My thoughts...I think a problem we have is that classes and regs changed over the years. The CLK-LM, Panoz, Vertigo, and R390 I think all have high power and PP when stock for the 625 class, but either because of weight and/or lack of downforce, can't compete with the LMP cars. I don't think they should be run at 625PP, and would chose a Z06 RM or Oreca Viper at 625 before those cars, but running them against a R8 '01 or BMW V12 seems pointless to me.
Where's the Toyota GT-One? (it raced against the BMW V12 in 1999) Accourding to 'sources', the bold cars above competed against each other in 1998, against the GT-One, but the Toyota was upgraded for 1999.
RoninTuna:
--- Quote from: WolfpackS2k on March 07, 2012, 03:27:25 PM ---Ronin, weren't all those 725PP race cars known as IMSA Group C race cars? Not Type C?
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You are right and I friggen knew that, corrected.
--- Quote from: WolfpackS2k on March 07, 2012, 03:27:25 PM ---And I feel like that CLK-LM Race Car '98 doesn't belong in the 625PP class. I think 700PP would be more appropriate for it. (I believe it has over 800hp stock)
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--- Quote from: Turbo-Tuna on March 07, 2012, 05:50:05 PM ---My thoughts...I think a problem we have is that classes and regs changed over the years. The CLK-LM, Panoz, Vertigo, and R390 I think all have high power and PP when stock for the 625 class, but either because of weight and/or lack of downforce, can't compete with the LMP cars. I don't think they should be run at 625PP, and would chose a Z06 RM or Oreca Viper at 625 before those cars, but running them against a R8 '01 or BMW V12 seems pointless to me.
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Those cars are what are referred to as homologation specials, or cars that the manufacturer built for racing first then threw together a road going version to bump it down into GT class with the intention of domination. Wile yes stock they are in a league of their own but their own manufacturers manipulated them into GT class. Back then the manufacturers where not playing nice with the competitors cars and deliberately created monsters with the intent to decimate the class. I however am looking to make them play nice with their classmates. They are not LM-P's and simply do not cut the mustard and as GT cars they are a little too much if left alone. There are simply not enough cars of that kind to build a class for them specifically so dialing them down to play nice is the appropriate thing to do from where I am sitting.
Oh, and additionally, the CLK GTR, it will only hit 700 when tuned to the hilt and only on it's best day meaning you have to have one with under 300 miles on it in order to get close to 700 PP. With the exception of the R-390, all the cars mentioned in those two posts will not reach 700PP, Including the CLK GTR if bought used and/or unbroken in. Even it at optimal condition, I can not guarantee that it will.
--- Quote from: Turbo-Tuna on March 07, 2012, 05:50:05 PM ---Where's the Toyota GT-One? (it raced against the BMW V12 in 1999) Accourding to 'sources', the bold cars above competed against each other in 1998, against the GT-One, but the Toyota was upgraded for 1999.
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...Over looked....Added
Feldynn:
Not that I'm especially likely to drive an LMP type car (at least not competitively :laugh) I was wondering about the Peugeot 905 Race Car '92, don't think I saw it on the list but there may be a reason for that.
Also regarding the Gillet Vertigo, I mentioned this to Ronin already I think, currently there is (or at least was last time I checked) a bug with the way the Vertigo calculates PP similar to the Toyota 7. Something gets a little screwy when you're adding / removing power and downforce that causes the PP to act unexpectedly (increasing when you'd expect a decrease and vice versa).
Best example I have is that I'd tuned mine to run at 650PP and the last time I finished driving I noticed it losing power on the tune sheet. Normally losing power / needing an oil change results in less PP right, well mine went from 650PP UP to 661PP but lost horsepower and that doesn't sound right to me. I'll try and check that next time I'm in game though, assuming I can remember! (I'd write myself a reminder note but I'd only forget where I put it :lolz)
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