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Title: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on August 07, 2012, 08:00:41 AM
What better a way to celebrate classic American muscle than to run those classic cars at one of America's more iconic and well know (for endurance races at least) track, Daytona Road Course.  The idea is to hold a 2 hour endurance race at Daytona Road Course using the three following vehicles:

-1963 C2 Corvette Z06 race car
-1969 RM Camaro Z28 race car
-1970 RM Challenger R/T race car


VEHICLE SPECIFICATIONS:
C2 Corvette Z06 race car - 100% stock.
-630 hp
-1168 kg curb weight
-1.85 kg/hp
-609PP

1969 RM Camaro Z28
-all power adders and stage 3 engine upgrade, 549 hp
-stage 3 weight reduction, 1085 kg curb weight
-1.94 kg/hp
-603PP

1970 RM Challenger R/T
-all power adders and stage 2 engine upgrade, 739 hp
-stage 3 weight reduction, 1260 kg curb weight
-1.72 kg/hp
-633PP

All horsepower figures should be accurate to within 5-10 hp as I am not sure if my test cars are all fully broken in yet.  I know that the Challenger appears to have a PP advantage but that is only b/c the PP system is thrown off by torque figures.



Event Settings
-race medium tires
-Traction control not allowed
-ABS allowed
-ASM not allowed
-steering assist not allowed
-driving line allowed
-drafting weak
-damage light
-off track surface real
-tire wear set to normal[/color]

Race length will be 67 laps

 October 12th roster!

Car Assignments
GrumpyTuna - '69 Camaro
DudeTuna - '69 Camaro
RickS95 - '63 Corvette Z06
dlrws6 - '69 Camaro
TunaPhreak - '70 Challenger
WolfpackS2k - '70 Challenger
Turbo-Tuna - '63 Corvette Z06
Revengel - '69 Camaro
LooneyTuna - '69 Camaro (or Challenger?)
RoninTuna - '69 Camaro
ChromeTuna - '63 Corvette Z06
GrilledTuna - '70 Challenger
Metal - '70 Challenger
AgentWD40_FL - '63 Corvette Z06

Race Event 2 - November 30th
Race Length 52 laps

vehicles:
Corvette C5.R - 640hp 1139kg 643PP
Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II - 618hp 1130kg 645PP
Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car - 603hp 1165 kg 643PP
Dodge Viper GTS-R Team ORECA - 618hp 1150kg 643PP

current entrants
Revengel - Ford GT LM Test Car
dlrws6 - #51 Viper ORECA race car
RickS95 - Ford GT LM Test Car
WolfpackS2k -
DudeTuna -
showmantuna -
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race
Post by: dlrws6 on August 07, 2012, 11:19:14 AM
Sounds like fun, I've wanted to do something like this for a while.  It just sucks that PD did not provide us with a Mustang RM.  >:( :(


If the timing works out put me down for a Camaro RM. I've got a butt load of these things and I need to put one or two of them to good use.  :D
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race
Post by: RickS95 on August 07, 2012, 11:47:50 AM
Did someone say Daytona Road Course?
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: DudeTuna on August 08, 2012, 01:08:12 PM
I'll check out the '69 and depending on time and date I should be able to make it.

Weekends probably work best for me btw.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: GrumpyTuna on August 08, 2012, 01:57:33 PM
 :stoopid:


 I love the Daytona Road Course! I also like the 69 RM Camaro.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on August 09, 2012, 06:28:32 AM
Sounds good so far.  We will aim for a weekend event time.  Until we get more people interested let's hold off on everyone jumping on the Camaro bandwagon, we need some variety for this event!  Car assignments naturally are first come first serve but no more than half of the field can be one car (as a guideline going forward  ;D )

Current car requests noted...
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on August 13, 2012, 11:07:51 AM
So are more people not interested in this?  :(

Right now we have 6 people showing interest and I was really hoping for a minimum of 10  :-\

I'll try to drum up more interest this week after which point we will try to set a date and nail down vehicle choices.

Right now it's

GrumpyTuna - '69 Camaro
DudeTuna - '69 Camaro
RickS95 -
dlrws6 - '69 Camaro
TunaPhreak -
WolfpackS2k - '70 Challenger

(unless we add more people assume further Camaro requests to be denied).
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: Turbo-Tuna on August 13, 2012, 01:49:24 PM
I'd be in depending on start time. 8:30-9:00 eastern is the best time for me to start. I would want the the Corvette.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: Revengel on August 13, 2012, 02:48:17 PM
Totally up for it (time/day/wee baby Shaemus allowing) and I have five of the Camaros.  I'd like to run one of my Redsking color ones please if possble...

:)

If not I'll go with a Charger.  I have to drive something I can paint when it comes to these things...
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: LooneyTuna on August 13, 2012, 04:34:43 PM

I'm partial to Camaros as well, but I love the Challengers as well.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on August 14, 2012, 07:13:57 AM
Okay a few more hits makes this more reassuring  :)

Current vehicle assignments (not locked in yet)

GrumpyTuna - '69 Camaro
DudeTuna - '69 Camaro
RickS95 - ???
dlrws6 - '69 Camaro
TunaPhreak - ???
WolfpackS2k - '70 Challenger
Turbo-Tuna - '63 Corvette Z06
Revengel - '69 Camaro
LooneyTuna - '70 Challenger (2nd choice Camaro)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: RoninTuna on August 14, 2012, 09:58:12 AM
If this is on a Thursday or Friday night I can rock a 69 Camaro (it's the only one I like enough to actually have).
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: Grilled Tuna on August 14, 2012, 01:55:02 PM
if im around on set date/time i'd like to punish a hemi...
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: Metal on August 15, 2012, 05:50:57 AM
I'll have Internet tomorrow (thank god) and I'll run any car!, just not sure about the date/time yet
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: RickS95 on August 15, 2012, 10:38:10 AM
Okay a few more hits makes this more reassuring  :)

Current vehicle assignments (not locked in yet)

GrumpyTuna - '69 Camaro
DudeTuna - '69 Camaro
RickS95 - ???
dlrws6 - '69 Camaro
TunaPhreak - ???
WolfpackS2k - '70 Challenger
Turbo-Tuna - '63 Corvette Z06
Revengel - '69 Camaro
LooneyTuna - '70 Challenger (2nd choice Camaro)

Sorry, I haven't been following up very well.  Turned on my PS3 last night for the first time in almost two weeks.  Can someone save me the trouble of reading through all the posts and let me know if a date and time have been decided?  I'm too lazy to look for myself.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: ChromeTuna on August 15, 2012, 03:42:32 PM
Pending when this happens, I'll take the Vette.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: RickS95 on August 15, 2012, 08:09:54 PM
I'd rather be the caboose in a Corvette than win in something else, I'll take the C2.

Also, and I may have missed it...tire selection is open???
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on August 16, 2012, 06:35:40 AM
Sorry!  Hadn't laid out all the rules/specs yet.  Tires will be race medium.

Got some good interest now, looks like 13 or so people so I'll list out all the specifics for the event soon and we can start the dialogue for a date.

Current Car assignment list:

GrumpyTuna - '69 Camaro
DudeTuna - '69 Camaro
RickS95 - '63 Corvette Z06
dlrws6 - '69 Camaro
TunaPhreak - '73 Pinto
WolfpackS2k - '70 Challenger
Turbo-Tuna - '63 Corvette Z06
Revengel - '69 Camaro
LooneyTuna - '69 Camaro (or Challenger?)
RoninTuna - '69 Camaro
ChromeTuna - '63 Corvette Z06
GrilledTuna - '70 Challenger
Metal - '70 Challenger

Current car talley is 6 Camaros, 3 Challengers and 3 Corvettes.  Phreak, pick the Vette or Challenger plz :P

How does either October 5th or 12th sound?  Both are Fridays.  Figure an 8:20 pm practice time, followed by Qualifying at 8:40 and race start at 9pm.  Vehicle selections will have to be locked in 2 weeks prior to the race.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: RickS95 on August 16, 2012, 09:46:00 AM
Mrs. S95 has a birthday on October 4, so I'd rather shoot for the 12rd.

By the way, does anyone want to jump on the grenade and post a lap time?  Want to know what I'm getting myself into. 
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: ChromeTuna on August 16, 2012, 10:20:39 AM
I should be good for the 12th, but either works for me.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: RickS95 on August 16, 2012, 10:31:29 AM
I'm not sure how fast my car is, but it sounds amazing.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: RoninTuna on August 16, 2012, 10:41:24 AM
12th works for me, I think. Prolly won't be at my best but October is just an odd month for me emotionally and I'll be fighting with the little one but I'll figure it out.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on August 16, 2012, 10:52:25 AM
I have lap times (for each car) written down from what I was tweaking the specs to even out the cars.  I think mid 1:40s were achieved by all if memory serves me correct.  The written down times are at home of course  ;D  Both the Corvette and Challenger topped 190 on the longest straight.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: RickS95 on August 16, 2012, 11:14:23 AM
I have lap times (for each car) written down from what I was tweaking the specs to even out the cars.  I think mid 1:40s were achieved by all if memory serves me correct.  The written down times are at home of course  ;D  Both the Corvette and Challenger topped 190 on the longest straight.

 :(
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: ChromeTuna on August 16, 2012, 11:40:42 AM
Just to be clear, tuning is allowed, right? We just got to have the cars equipped a certain way.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: dlrws6 on August 16, 2012, 11:58:11 AM
I'm good either date.

And Rick I would not worry to much about being in the back.  I've spent way too much time on the ovals lately and I feel confident that I'll be the one putting around in last place.  :D
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: RickS95 on August 16, 2012, 12:04:24 PM
I'm going to have to do some cipherin' when I get home.  My car feels strong, handles well, pulls hard coming out of the turns, and hits 193-194 at the start/finish, but I'm not seeing 40s.  I ran either a 41.7 or a 42.7 last night (can't remember which) and that was with 10 laps under my belt.  Can't think of any place where I can pick up a second or two.

Fortunately, I look amazing in the Corvette.   :D
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: Revengel on August 16, 2012, 12:12:09 PM
Couple-few things:

Dates...likely work (Wee Baby Shemus not withstanding).  My time was 1:45...but that was on R Hards.  I'll have to try that on R Medium tonight.

Also I saw that call on the Pinto.  If available I would like to request a '73 Vega.  Failing that I'd request a Corvair...actually I'd rather have a Corvair just on principle.


And Nader was WRONG.  That car rocks.

 8)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: GrumpyTuna on August 16, 2012, 12:30:07 PM


 Only running mid 45's here with the Camaro. Sounds like I will be bring up the rear in this race, going on the times i have seen here. Also tires are not lasting that long for me, just my driving i guess.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: Revengel on August 16, 2012, 02:19:37 PM


 Only running mid 45's here with the Camaro. Sounds like I will be bring up the rear in this race, going on the times i have seen here. Also tires are not lasting that long for me, just my driving i guess.

Granted I kinda suck...but I can post my tune later if I remember to look when I get home.  I was getting 18+ laps on hards; have to see what happens on mediums. :-\
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: GrumpyTuna on August 16, 2012, 02:46:21 PM

 Would truly appreciate that Revengel!
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on August 17, 2012, 07:47:41 AM
I'm going to have to do some cipherin' when I get home.  My car feels strong, handles well, pulls hard coming out of the turns, and hits 193-194 at the start/finish, but I'm not seeing 40s.  I ran either a 41.7 or a 42.7 last night (can't remember which) and that was with 10 laps under my belt.  Can't think of any place where I can pick up a second or two.

Fortunately, I look amazing in the Corvette.   :D

LOL, okay I feel a bit like a horse's ass.  Sorry for causing some alarm confusion in the last few posts.  When I stated times in the 1:40s I didn't mean 1:40.xxx's.  I meant 1:4x's.  In fact I did look up the times I had written down last night and they varied from 1:44 - 1:47.  This is for the eligible cars with almost no tuning done (other than good transmission gearing).  So you guys can relax about your times!  Sounds like you're all doing well so far.

As to Revengel's Corvair request, I'll see what I can do  ;)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: GrumpyTuna on August 17, 2012, 10:37:11 AM

 Now i don't feel to slow WolfpackS2k. :)


 P.S. Revengel you missed something last night! I still need help! :-[
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: Grilled Tuna on August 17, 2012, 01:05:51 PM
dam 2 months away...gonna need a reminder i don't usually remember much past 3-4days ::)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: Revengel on August 17, 2012, 01:32:11 PM

 Now i don't feel to slow WolfpackS2k. :)


 P.S. Revengel you missed something last night! I still need help! :-[

My thuderous bad...Wee Baby Sheamus (who I think will be my pit chief) was in need most of the evening.  That said here's what I recall from my setup on Race Hards - I did run some Race Mediums and...maybe it was the lateness of the hour...but I was only able to get down to a 1:44.023 for whatever reason.  Actually I think I know.  But I digress...

Camber:  1.9 - 1.3.
Toe:  Zeroes.
Ht: -10 front, -12 Rear.  This is a plan for the infield.
Spring:  13.0 Front, 10.5 (iirc) rear.  Have to update that tonight.
Dampers:  8/8, 7/7
Anti-Roll - 4/4

Aero - Max in front, 45 in rear.  I'll likely adjust that tonight as well.

Tranny - Tricked then set fina gear to 230 (for draft) or 215-220 for solo driving.


My est times are around 4:45.1x in Race Hards and I'm getting 18-20 laps out of them.


Hope that helps!
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: GrumpyTuna on August 17, 2012, 01:37:48 PM
dam 2 months away...gonna need a reminder i don't usually remember much past 3-4days ::)


 That's what happens when you start getting old Grilled! ;)



 P.S. Thanks for the tuna Revengel!
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: Grilled Tuna on August 17, 2012, 04:39:04 PM
 :(
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: Revengel on August 18, 2012, 12:20:35 AM
Hey - just did some tuning & running (wee baby Sheamus was up for a while!)

Here's what I have for my tune.  This is for a broken in '69 RM.

Suspension:
Ride Ht:  -9 / -10
Spring: 12.1 / 10.6
Dampers: 6 all the way around.
Anti Roll:  4 all the way around.
Camber: 1.9 / 1.3
Toe: Zilch.

Tranny tricked to 221

LSD:  My standard 12/23/12

Aero:  20/50 (will likely take some of that off)

Actual time:  1:44.238

Not impressive at all...but then again I'm not hitting 190 on the straights like the others are.

My brake balance was 4/7 but now it's 5/5 and I've got pretty even tire wear.



Hope that helps!
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: DudeTuna on August 18, 2012, 11:06:31 AM
I'm close with a 1'45 flat using this tune from GTData (http://www.gtdata.net/print_tune.php?tune_id=132&tune_key=f9f24255b1df8de3b401576cae090ce9). The car is still breaking in and my gears might need more gearing. I'm seeing 183.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: GrumpyTuna on August 18, 2012, 11:31:06 AM
Hey - just did some tuning & running (wee baby Sheamus was up for a while!)

Here's what I have for my tune.  This is for a broken in '69 RM.

Suspension:
Ride Ht:  -9 / -10
Spring: 12.1 / 10.6
Dampers: 6 all the way around.
Anti Roll:  4 all the way around.
Camber: 1.9 / 1.3
Toe: Zilch.


 Will try the new update out! Thanks again for the help Revengel!


 P.S. Ran a high 43 with the other tune!

Tranny tricked to 221

LSD:  My standard 12/23/12

Aero:  20/50 (will likely take some of that off)

Actual time:  1:44.238

Not impressive at all...but then again I'm not hitting 190 on the straights like the others are.

My brake balance was 4/7 but now it's 5/5 and I've got pretty even tire wear.



Hope that helps!

Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on August 22, 2012, 06:22:05 AM
OP has been updated  :)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: RickS95 on August 22, 2012, 08:33:36 PM

 Now i don't feel to slow WolfpackS2k. :)


 P.S. Revengel you missed something last night! I still need help! :-[

My thuderous bad...Wee Baby Sheamus (who I think will be my pit chief) was in need most of the evening.  That said here's what I recall from my setup on Race Hards - I did run some Race Mediums and...maybe it was the lateness of the hour...but I was only able to get down to a 1:44.023 for whatever reason.  Actually I think I know.  But I digress...

Camber:  1.9 - 1.3.
Toe:  Zeroes.
Ht: -10 front, -12 Rear.  This is a plan for the infield.
Spring:  13.0 Front, 10.5 (iirc) rear.  Have to update that tonight.
Dampers:  8/8, 7/7
Anti-Roll - 4/4

Aero - Max in front, 45 in rear.  I'll likely adjust that tonight as well.

Tranny - Tricked then set fina gear to 230 (for draft) or 215-220 for solo driving.


My est times are around 4:45.1x in Race Hards and I'm getting 18-20 laps out of them.


Hope that helps!


I see why guys are switching to iRacing.  Last week I did a little testing and ran however many laps with no tire wear.  Just wanted to get a good idea of what lap times I could expect.  At the time I was seeing high 42s.  Tonight I thought I'd run a few more laps, this time with tire wear on to see what lap times I could expect and how many laps I could get out of a set of tires.

I'm almost two full seconds a lap slower and I doubt I can get 10 laps out of the tires. 

As good as we think this game is, there's simply nothing realistic about it.  I think Gar has the right idea by running his series with tire wear turned off.  During a race it's literally impossible to run a full lap with tires at their optimum because at the start of the race you run the first lap from a stand still and by the time you're ready for your second lap, the tires are already showing wear.  Make a pit stop and you can't count the lap you pitted on because you have to slow down to make the pits and then then next lap is killed due to time in the pits and by the time you're ready for a full lap, your tires are showing wear again.

What a joke.   
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on August 23, 2012, 06:27:03 AM
I understand you pain a bit, and I think the tire wear is accelerated to force pit stops on shorter races that usually wouldn't require such a thing (in real life).  However it can be particularly annoying on some tracks, especially long ones like Green Hell or La Sarthe.

I haven't done any longevity testing here yet but in the past I have been able to get 17 laps out of race medium tires in a modified Viper ACR.  Not an apples to apples comparison but similar weight and horsepower to what we've got here.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: Revengel on August 23, 2012, 09:33:27 AM
So I guess it begs to question:

Will tire wear be on or off for this?  While I love the idea of pit stops (and heck, heavy damage) I understand RickS95's point.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: RickS95 on August 23, 2012, 10:08:00 AM
So I guess it begs to question:

Will tire wear be on or off for this?  While I love the idea of pit stops (and heck, heavy damage) I understand RickS95's point.

Don't change the rules for me.  That said, heavy damage would cause realistic pit stops.  Also, I haven't checked fuel usage (because I was so pissed about the tire wear), but that would be another cause for pit stops.  Some months ago Hey, Spec and I ran an enduro at DRC.  Each race was something like 90 minutes long.  Spec ran out of fuel twice, so it can be an issue. 

In a nutshell, I've always been hard on the tires.  But last night I was intentionally trying to save the tires and crashed on the 5th lap because the rears couldn't handle the power. 
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: Revengel on August 24, 2012, 08:51:54 AM
So I guess it begs to question:

Will tire wear be on or off for this?  While I love the idea of pit stops (and heck, heavy damage) I understand RickS95's point.

Don't change the rules for me.  That said, heavy damage would cause realistic pit stops.  Also, I haven't checked fuel usage (because I was so pissed about the tire wear), but that would be another cause for pit stops.  Some months ago Hey, Spec and I ran an enduro at DRC.  Each race was something like 90 minutes long.  Spec ran out of fuel twice, so it can be an issue. 

In a nutshell, I've always been hard on the tires.  But last night I was intentionally trying to save the tires and crashed on the 5th lap because the rears couldn't handle the power. 

I was in that Enduro driving for TKB.  Still have the Green Vette in the garage!


I drive very differently with tire wear on because I know I have to conserve them...and I hate spinning out.  I shoot for even wear.  That said I haven't taken the '63 for a spin at DRC (which is like my...4st favorite track?) so I can't speak to rear tire burn.  I'm getting 12+ laps on Mediums and 18+ on hards with solid 1:44-45 lap times. They creep up to 1:46 after about 8-10 laps and slowly creep up from there.

Anyone else for heavy damage?
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: RickS95 on August 24, 2012, 09:01:56 AM
So I guess it begs to question:

Will tire wear be on or off for this?  While I love the idea of pit stops (and heck, heavy damage) I understand RickS95's point.

Don't change the rules for me.  That said, heavy damage would cause realistic pit stops.  Also, I haven't checked fuel usage (because I was so pissed about the tire wear), but that would be another cause for pit stops.  Some months ago Hey, Spec and I ran an enduro at DRC.  Each race was something like 90 minutes long.  Spec ran out of fuel twice, so it can be an issue. 

In a nutshell, I've always been hard on the tires.  But last night I was intentionally trying to save the tires and crashed on the 5th lap because the rears couldn't handle the power. 

I was in that Enduro driving for TKB.  Still have the Green Vette in the garage!


I drive very differently with tire wear on because I know I have to conserve them...and I hate spinning out.  I shoot for even wear.  That said I haven't taken the '63 for a spin at DRC (which is like my...4st favorite track?) so I can't speak to rear tire burn.  I'm getting 12+ laps on Mediums and 18+ on hards with solid 1:44-45 lap times. They creep up to 1:46 after about 8-10 laps and slowly creep up from there.

Anyone else for heavy damage?

I'm up for it, but we should probably let wolfpack decide on things, it's his evnet.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race (updated w/vehicle specs)
Post by: RoninTuna on August 26, 2012, 10:36:20 AM

 Now i don't feel to slow WolfpackS2k. :)


 P.S. Revengel you missed something last night! I still need help! :-[

My thuderous bad...Wee Baby Sheamus (who I think will be my pit chief) was in need most of the evening.  That said here's what I recall from my setup on Race Hards - I did run some Race Mediums and...maybe it was the lateness of the hour...but I was only able to get down to a 1:44.023 for whatever reason.  Actually I think I know.  But I digress...

Camber:  1.9 - 1.3.
Toe:  Zeroes.
Ht: -10 front, -12 Rear.  This is a plan for the infield.
Spring:  13.0 Front, 10.5 (iirc) rear.  Have to update that tonight.
Dampers:  8/8, 7/7
Anti-Roll - 4/4

Aero - Max in front, 45 in rear.  I'll likely adjust that tonight as well.

Tranny - Tricked then set fina gear to 230 (for draft) or 215-220 for solo driving.


My est times are around 4:45.1x in Race Hards and I'm getting 18-20 laps out of them.


Hope that helps!


I see why guys are switching to iRacing.  Last week I did a little testing and ran however many laps with no tire wear.  Just wanted to get a good idea of what lap times I could expect.  At the time I was seeing high 42s.  Tonight I thought I'd run a few more laps, this time with tire wear on to see what lap times I could expect and how many laps I could get out of a set of tires.

I'm almost two full seconds a lap slower and I doubt I can get 10 laps out of the tires. 

As good as we think this game is, there's simply nothing realistic about it.  I think Gar has the right idea by running his series with tire wear turned off.  During a race it's literally impossible to run a full lap with tires at their optimum because at the start of the race you run the first lap from a stand still and by the time you're ready for your second lap, the tires are already showing wear.  Make a pit stop and you can't count the lap you pitted on because you have to slow down to make the pits and then then next lap is killed due to time in the pits and by the time you're ready for a full lap, your tires are showing wear again.

What a joke.   

Bare in mind also that when tire wear is off so too is fuel consumption. Basically when running with tire wear off you are running on an empty fuel tank making your car significantly lighter and faster. It was one of the many little quirks PD programmed in to accommodate/attract the more "Arcade style" racers.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: DudeTuna on August 27, 2012, 09:12:36 AM
I don't feel so bad about my 45's now.  :)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: RickS95 on August 27, 2012, 10:23:27 AM
I don't feel so bad about my 45's now.  :)

I ran a few more laps last night before waving the white flag.  Went out nice and easy, used the torque to help me through the corners, broke early, and short shifted.  Ran 46s and 47s preserving the tires for 5 laps, noticed the ass end wanted to start coming around on lap 6. 

Went back to the garage and lowered the aero on both the front and back thinking it would extend tire life.  It did, sort of.  The extended life of the tires was offset by the lack of grip and associated tire wear of sliding. 

Went back the garage again and added some traction control...set it at 2.  Basically, did nothing.

I'm crying 'uncle.'
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: Revengel on August 27, 2012, 11:47:26 AM
I don't feel so bad about my 45's now.  :)

I ran a few more laps last night before waving the white flag.  Went out nice and easy, used the torque to help me through the corners, broke early, and short shifted.  Ran 46s and 47s preserving the tires for 5 laps, noticed the ass end wanted to start coming around on lap 6. 

Went back to the garage and lowered the aero on both the front and back thinking it would extend tire life.  It did, sort of.  The extended life of the tires was offset by the lack of grip and associated tire wear of sliding. 

Went back the garage again and added some traction control...set it at 2.  Basically, did nothing.

I'm crying 'uncle.'


Let me see what I can come up with.  Might be as simple as LSD (Frank Zappa would approve) being set to accomodate for HP and a lower rear end.

Try this:  Go full Aero, a tranny set at abouit 230 or so...the rear two inches lower than the front and an LSD of 13-25-11.  Actually strike the part about the rear end.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: AgentWD40_FL on August 27, 2012, 12:11:58 PM
.  Actually strike the part about the rear end.

Correct.  If you have a twitchy rear that likes to come around, try adding +10 (or more) to get that rear in the air.  I have not run a single lap, so my response simply comes from my pocket .... however from what I've read here, it sounds like exactly what is needed. Lower numbers on torque/acceleration can/will help too, but thats just covering the source problem. If you find the rear-height that it wants to keep it inline with the front wheels, you can put alot of the numbers back into the trq/acc

Returning to observing the forum ...  ;)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: Revengel on August 27, 2012, 12:38:28 PM
.  Actually strike the part about the rear end.

Correct.  If you have a twitchy rear that likes to come around, try adding +10 (or more) to get that rear in the air.  I have not run a single lap, so my response simply comes from my pocket .... however from what I've read here, it sounds like exactly what is needed. Lower numbers on torque/acceleration can/will help too, but thats just covering the source problem. If you find the rear-height that it wants to keep it inline with the front wheels, you can put alot of the numbers back into the trq/acc

Returning to observing the forum ...  ;)

Funny - I've normally lowered the rear in a number of cars as I tend to be a light braker.  I want that car to be balanced as I go through the turn so often by lowering the rear I can achieve a nutral ride hight just as I hit the turn.

That said I normally drive Miuras...!

:P
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: DudeTuna on August 30, 2012, 11:14:34 AM
I might be up for some testing of this, this weekend. Any takers just spam some PSN PMs.  ^-^
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on September 05, 2012, 08:12:31 AM
I'm...alive!  I tell ya, these 9 day long vacations really take their toll  ;D

Anyways, I need to start practicing for this soon!

And could anybody that hasn't chimed in please state whether or not October 12th works for them please???

Also, how do we add this evnet to the Tunas calendar?
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: Wiz on September 05, 2012, 08:39:57 AM
Also, how do we add this evnet to the Tunas calendar?

(http://i.imgur.com/Pvad8.jpg)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: CharlieTuna on September 05, 2012, 09:55:12 AM
Re: adding to Calendar

Look at very bottom of the page when in the thread.  There is a button called "Link to Calendar".

Click it and then fill in the info requested on the page that pops up.

Also also, be sure to change date - it defaults to "today"...
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on September 05, 2012, 11:57:22 AM
LOL


perhaps I should petition to join Team Dolt  (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: CharlieTuna on September 05, 2012, 12:19:56 PM
I am a Team Dolt alumni, so - completely understand.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: DudeTuna on September 06, 2012, 10:46:31 AM
I'm...alive!  I tell ya, these 9 day long vacations really take their toll  ;D

Anyways, I need to start practicing for this soon!

And could anybody that hasn't chimed in please state whether or not October 12th works for them please???

Also, how do we add this evnet to the Tunas calendar?

Lets try and turn some laps this weekend.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on September 06, 2012, 11:48:42 AM
I'm...alive!  I tell ya, these 9 day long vacations really take their toll  ;D

Anyways, I need to start practicing for this soon!

And could anybody that hasn't chimed in please state whether or not October 12th works for them please???

Also, how do we add this evnet to the Tunas calendar?

Lets try and turn some laps this weekend.

I know I was away at the beach all last week but...I'll be down at Myrtle Beach this weekend 8)  So I probably can't practice for this till Monday.  Then I can focus on GT some more until my next trip, on the 29th, lol  :laugh
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: DudeTuna on September 06, 2012, 12:32:36 PM
Myrtle is over rated and prone to kicking fits.
(http://www.phreeque.com/myrtle_corbin4.jpg)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on September 06, 2012, 02:24:57 PM
Oh I'm no great fan of Myrtle Beach.  But its where a friend of mine decided to hold her weekend beach birthday party.  So Myrtle is where I will be.

Last week I was down at Hilton Head, where your sig pic was taken  ;D
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: dlrws6 on September 07, 2012, 11:26:34 AM
I'm not sure exactly when yet but I'm pretty sure I'll spend some time this weekend practicing.  If I recall correctly I think I was only in the 1.46s my last test session.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: DudeTuna on September 07, 2012, 11:59:28 AM
I'm not sure exactly when yet but I'm pretty sure I'll spend some time this weekend practicing.  If I recall correctly I think I was only in the 1.46s my last test session.

Hit me with a pm and we can try and meet up.  8)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: dlrws6 on September 11, 2012, 11:22:45 AM
I got one question.

In the race are we using the short pit exit or the long one?
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: GrumpyTuna on September 11, 2012, 01:05:47 PM
 :stoopid:  That is a good question!
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on September 11, 2012, 05:51:06 PM
hmmm, I never thought of that.  Is their an advantage to either one?  I usually do short.

I plan on practicing tonight if anyone is interested in joining.  I'll be in my lounge by 9pm.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: Wiz on September 11, 2012, 06:06:10 PM
Is their an advantage to either one?  I usually do short.

Having cars shoot out into turn 1 makes it a scarier corner than it already is.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: DudeTuna on September 11, 2012, 06:23:41 PM
Is their an advantage to either one?  I usually do short.

Having cars shoot out into turn 1 makes it a scarier corner than it already is.

I'll have you know, I can shoot out of either exit!
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 8/22/12)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on September 11, 2012, 06:44:55 PM
Is their an advantage to either one?  I usually do short.

Having cars shoot out into turn 1 makes it a scarier corner than it already is.

I'll have you know, I can shoot out of either exit!

LMAO

Yeah, Wiz that's what I kind of figured.  Given the low grip nature of these cars I think it will be best to use the long exit and leave turn 1 free of slow moving vehicles.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: AgentWD40_FL on September 12, 2012, 04:47:09 AM
If I may participate, I'd like to try the '63 Vette Z06 ... may switch to Z28, but I'll start with trying the Z06 first.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on September 12, 2012, 06:40:51 AM
You are certainly welcome to join!  Try to make that Z06 work for you as we already have plenty of Z28's signed up for participation! :P

I ran about 20 laps last night with Phreak in the Challengers and our best times were 1:44.6-1:44.7s.  10 laps per set of tires is a stretch but seems possible if you don't have any spins.  9 is more realistic in a race setting I think.  And this was with the Challenger which I would assume is the least tire friendly of the group (highest hp, highest weight).
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: AgentWD40_FL on September 12, 2012, 07:08:16 AM
Try to make that Z06 work for you as we already have plenty of Z28's signed up for participation! :P

That was my thinking as well .... I know I can get the Z28 to go, but variety is what makes something like this lotsofun.  8)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on September 12, 2012, 08:56:42 AM
Agreed!


Good deal!!  Now if everyone shows up that says they will that puts us at 14 participants!  Of course in reality I will be thrilled if we have at least 10 when the green flag drops :)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: GrumpyTuna on September 12, 2012, 11:24:56 AM


 Don't know about anybody else in the 69 Camaro, but I will be pushing it to get 10 laps!
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: DudeTuna on September 12, 2012, 11:31:56 AM
I meant to get on track last weekend, but missed. I will try again this weekend. Maybe we can get in a 20 or 30 lap sprint?

Also, 9 or 10 laps roger.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on September 12, 2012, 01:09:40 PM
Yes I will be around for that this weekend and definitely would like to run a 30 lap "sprint".  Should be around Friday but Sunday will be even better...should be free most any time that day.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: DudeTuna on September 12, 2012, 02:09:56 PM
Yes I will be around for that this weekend and definitely would like to run a 30 lap "sprint".  Should be around Friday but Sunday will be even better...should be free most any time that day.

I would prefer an early Saturday morning, but Sunday would work.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on September 12, 2012, 02:56:29 PM
Football mannnnnnnnnnnnn

It's football season and I have season tickets to NCSU.  First home game is Saturday  ^-^
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: DudeTuna on September 12, 2012, 02:57:44 PM
Football mannnnnnnnnnnnn

It's football season and I have season tickets to NCSU.  First home game is Saturday  ^-^

I will try and leave some full beers along with all the empties I leave in your lounge on Saturday.  :jimi:
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: AgentWD40_FL on September 12, 2012, 05:34:16 PM
Today, I feel like I'm sitting on the shiney side of the quarter ....

Looked at one of my 63 Vette's ..... 0 miles ... but GTData says its broke in.  Yaaa!  Thanks online dealer, for saving me time I dont really have.

I'll be up for some practice, preferably, sunday ....
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on September 12, 2012, 06:16:05 PM
fantastic :D
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: dlrws6 on September 14, 2012, 11:43:05 AM
If any one is interested, I'm pretty sure I'll spend a couple hours Saturday morning practicing. Probably around 8 or 9 a.m. Eastern time, if any one wants to join it.

Also, for matter most part if you see an orange dot under my name this weekend I'm most likely practicing and any and all are welcome to join.

Also, Also, I don't want to gratuitously cross promote, but if any one is interest I may also mess around with the Group C project I've been tinkering with.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: DudeTuna on September 14, 2012, 11:55:57 AM
If any one is interested, I'm pretty sure I'll spend a couple hours Saturday morning practicing. Probably around 8 or 9 a.m. Eastern time, if any one wants to join it.

Also, for matter most part if you see an orange dot under my name this weekend I'm most likely practicing and any and all are welcome to join.

Also, Also, I don't want to gratuitously cross promote, but if any one is interest I may also mess around with the Group C project I've been tinkering with.

Good deal. I was looking for a Saturday morning stint.

Also, I will check your Group C specs and find a car to test with you.

Also, also, we can test some GT Saturday NSX if time permits.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on September 14, 2012, 12:55:14 PM
I won't be out drinking tailgating till 1pm so I might be around late morning. :D
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on September 16, 2012, 10:15:51 AM
Anyone around today for a practice race?  Preferably before 430pm or after 8.

Reply in here or shoot me an XMB msg (i just sent out one over there as well).
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: DudeTuna on September 16, 2012, 10:49:46 AM
I'am in your lounge now, stinking up the joint.

Also, are we allowed to change aero or do we need to set to max?

Also, also, (http://www.amcarguide.com/wp-content/gallery/trans-am-series/trans-am-races-01.jpg)
Trans Am (http://www.amcarguide.com/muscle-cars/racing-trans-am-series/)
 :jimi:
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on September 16, 2012, 11:15:49 AM
set to max!  (if you like it that way of course)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on September 16, 2012, 12:32:17 PM
Just did a few 10 lap races with Dude.  The Challenger jumps out ahead of the Camaro with fresh tires, but come lap 6-7 things get dicey and the Challenger barely goes 10 laps on one set of tires whereas the Camaro seems capable of going 11 or maybe even 12 (according to Dude). 

Personal best lap time of 1:43.881 for now
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: DudeTuna on September 16, 2012, 12:35:39 PM
The practice helped quite a bit. Thanks dawson and very nice lap time.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on September 19, 2012, 12:29:01 PM
Thank you my friend!

Hey this is a reminder for everyone to keep practicing in their spare time.  The race is just over 3 weeks away.  Everyone should also make sure to send me a Friend Request if we're not already pals :P
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: GrumpyTuna on September 19, 2012, 12:54:19 PM
Thank you my friend!

Hey this is a reminder for everyone to keep practicing in their spare time.  The race is just over 3 weeks away.  Everyone should also make sure to send me a Friend Request if we're not already pals :P


 Which name should we friend request, Wolfpack or Dawson?
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on September 19, 2012, 06:33:35 PM
its in my sig ;)

dawson864
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: dlrws6 on September 21, 2012, 11:42:41 AM
I want to get in some TGIF tonight but other wise I plan on doing some more Trans-Am testing tonight and tomorrow morning, if any wants to join in feel free to drop buy. I should be online tonight around 7:30 eastern.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: SWERV_GRIFFIN on September 23, 2012, 11:08:09 AM
If they are interested, are racers from the TPRA welcome to participate in this Enduro? If so I'll ask if Kartracer and some others would like to join in. I'm thinking that I'd like to run, too.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: CharlieTuna on September 23, 2012, 12:57:28 PM
We Tuna are like the Swiss; we love chocolate and clocks.  And anyone is always allowed to play. 
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: DudeTuna on September 23, 2012, 04:26:51 PM
If they are interested, are racers from the TPRA welcome to participate in this Enduro? If so I'll ask if Kartracer and some others would like to join in. I'm thinking that I'd like to run, too.

Racers from everywhere are welcome to race anywhere. Looks like 2 slots left, hurry.  ^-^
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on September 24, 2012, 08:17:46 AM
Yes they are welcome.  and Swerv, good to see you over here!  2 spots are available but you know how it goes; someone (or 2) will probably not show up so we should be able to accommodate more people no problem.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: AgentWD40_FL on September 30, 2012, 07:04:36 PM
Finally managed to get some laps in the Z06 ....

As long as I hit the bus stop the way I should:
Fast Lap: 1:43.9
Avg Lap: 1:44.2 -- 1:44.6
Lap 11 Time: 1:46.1 (Green at first marker- red at second -- screwed the bus stop = screwed my time)
Top Speed (front straight): 193
Tire wear: Even, except for a tad more on RR .... end lap11 = 1/4 wear, but getting real slick exiting corners.
Brake marker change: Around lap 8

Theres more to be had outta this Vette ....Another hour of tuning, and I'll be ready.   8)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 01, 2012, 08:14:25 AM
Very encouraging to hear!
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 07, 2012, 02:10:43 PM
General reminder that this race is coming up fast!  Less than one week till go time fellas!

I've decided on a lap count of lap count of 67.  That should put the race length right around 2 hours.

As another reminder be sure to check your tire longevity!  After the latest GT5 update the tire wear has changed drastically and I've found you can go much further on a set of tires than before.  :o
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 9/11/12)
Post by: DudeTuna on October 07, 2012, 02:54:44 PM
General reminder that this race is coming up fast!  Less than one week till go time fellas!

I've decided on a lap count of lap count of 67.  That should put the race length right around 2 hours.

As another reminder be sure to check your tire longevity!  After the latest GT5 update the tire wear has changed drastically and I've found you can go much further on a set of tires than before.  :o

Indeed. Anyone want to turn some race laps I'm in. PSN PM and lets go. I see my 1'45's will be off pace and I need to find some time.


Also, a big yes this race is this coming Friday.  8)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: ChromeTuna on October 07, 2012, 05:53:24 PM
I may need to check and see if I can even drive the car I entered with.  ^-^
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 07, 2012, 08:04:09 PM
My car handled the same as before, though I suppose it could vary a bit depending on how much downforce you're using.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Revengel on October 09, 2012, 07:30:48 AM
Just did some driving last night with the new tire wear.  While before I was getting 12 laps I can certainly get 16-18 or more (depending on driving) with the new wear.  I give that a thumbs up.

Was doing laps and had a low of only 1:43.582.  I'm not going to be fast enough but I'll do what I can!  On the plus side Dr. Mrs. will take care of wee baby Sheamus that night!

 8)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 09, 2012, 08:43:50 AM
I've been trying to run some laps but I keep finding things I need to be doing rather than what I want to be doing.  I really have no idea how many laps I can get out of a set of tires because I haven't been able to go more than 4-5 laps without hearing my name called.

In the Corvette, I run fairly consistently with 1:44.XXX laps.  Occasionally I see a high 43, but that's when I really push it and probably get a little dirtier in the bus stop than I should.  But I don't see a 43.5 in my future.  Given that we're running different cars, what lap times are the Corvette drivers seeing?
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 09, 2012, 10:36:47 AM
Got some time before work so I ran some more laps.  I went 16 laps before pitting, but probably should have a couple laps earlier.  I tried to run a moderate pace just to check tire wear.  Had 1:44 laps for about 9 or 10 before the rears started to slow me down.  Low lap was 44.2. 

Once the rears started to go, they went pretty fast.  I did spun once entering the Super Speedway portion on lap 8 and then a partial spin in the bus stop on the next lap, so that didn't help my tire wear.

Went in and added some more negative toe in the front, ran my out lap then one timed lap and saw 43.5.  I can probably run with some of you guys for a while, but my tire wear is only going to keep me near the pack for so long.

My tires aren't wearing very evenly.  I've got half the fronts left when the rears are trash.  Not really sure how to fix that. 
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 09, 2012, 11:38:33 AM
My tire wear has been pretty even which I am quite pleased with.  When I last practiced I was able to get 19 laps out of a set of tires.  Most of my times were in the 1:45s with just a handful 1:44s.  I was trying to see how far I could push the tires though so there was a lot of short shifting out of 2nd gear in the interest of preservation.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 09, 2012, 11:51:35 AM
My tire wear has been pretty even which I am quite pleased with.  When I last practiced I was able to get 19 laps out of a set of tires.  Most of my times were in the 1:45s with just a handful 1:44s.  I was trying to see how far I could push the tires though so there was a lot of short shifting out of 2nd gear in the interest of preservation.

I suspect I'm going to have to change my driving style quite a bit in the next few days.  But, I love DRC and it's hard to keep the leash on sometimes. 
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: DudeTuna on October 09, 2012, 12:27:05 PM
Just did some driving last night with the new tire wear.  While before I was getting 12 laps I can certainly get 16-18 or more (depending on driving) with the new wear.  I give that a thumbs up.

Was doing laps and had a low of only 1:43.582.  I'm not going to be fast enough but I'll do what I can!  On the plus side Dr. Mrs. will take care of wee baby Sheamus that night!

 8)

I did some sober 1'44 laps Sunday morning. I should look at it again before Friday, but your time is better than mine.  :)

Also, does anyone know how to make the brakes work better on the Camero?
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 09, 2012, 01:09:05 PM
Just did some driving last night with the new tire wear.  While before I was getting 12 laps I can certainly get 16-18 or more (depending on driving) with the new wear.  I give that a thumbs up.

Was doing laps and had a low of only 1:43.582.  I'm not going to be fast enough but I'll do what I can!  On the plus side Dr. Mrs. will take care of wee baby Sheamus that night!

 8)

I did some sober 1'44 laps Sunday morning. I should look at it again before Friday, but your time is better than mine.  :)

Also, does anyone know how to make the brakes work better on the Camero?

Not sure what kind of problem you're having, but at Daytona I've always bumped up the ABS a little so I didn't die as much for the first turn.  Generally speaking I set the ABS to 2 as a default, but up it to 3 for DRC.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: DudeTuna on October 09, 2012, 02:20:28 PM
It just seems to take a long distance to slow done. My trouble is at the hair pin and the right turn at the end after that.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 09, 2012, 02:27:46 PM
It just seems to take a long distance to slow done. My trouble is at the hair pin and the right turn at the end after that.

Turns 3 and 5?
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Revengel on October 09, 2012, 02:51:12 PM
Just did some driving last night with the new tire wear.  While before I was getting 12 laps I can certainly get 16-18 or more (depending on driving) with the new wear.  I give that a thumbs up.

Was doing laps and had a low of only 1:43.582.  I'm not going to be fast enough but I'll do what I can!  On the plus side Dr. Mrs. will take care of wee baby Sheamus that night!

 8)

I did some sober 1'44 laps Sunday morning. I should look at it again before Friday, but your time is better than mine.  :)

Also, does anyone know how to make the brakes work better on the Camero?

Go slower!

Seriously...here's my take on the brake situation with the Camaro:

1th I'm running full aero in the front with less in the rear.  This actually keeps the front suspension from working too hard while still giving me a top speed I can accept.  Lower aero all around means higher speed on the straights, but it lacks quality in the turns.

2rd, I have my ABS set at 1 and my brakes set at 5/5 for now...but my rear is a touch lower.  What that means is that my car levels off when I brake - granted I'm working from using a Muira for about 12k miles (not a typo!). 

3st I slow down after the S/F line with the following ratios:  brake as soon as the yellow line is straignt and drop 2 gears, then turn in, brake and drop one more gear.  Torque takes me through the turn and I'm flying toward the hairpin.  I get up to 4rd and drop two gears again...Torque taking me around again.

Granted that's what I do.  Good luck & I hope this helps!
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: DudeTuna on October 09, 2012, 03:19:25 PM
It just seems to take a long distance to slow done. My trouble is at the hair pin and the right turn at the end after that.

Turns 3 and 5?

Sorry had to check the map. Yes turns 3 and 5.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: DudeTuna on October 09, 2012, 03:25:43 PM
Thanks Rev, I'm using abs 1 and I'll have to check brake balance.

Also, slow down sooner, check.  :)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: AgentWD40_FL on October 09, 2012, 03:44:56 PM
Its the rear drum brakes in these older cars ....  :D
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Grilled Tuna on October 09, 2012, 04:47:00 PM
what tires?
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: DudeTuna on October 09, 2012, 04:56:04 PM
Racing Medium Tires
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Revengel on October 09, 2012, 05:23:13 PM
what tires?


Too many burnouts?

Wait...
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 09, 2012, 06:30:36 PM
Has a start time been determined?
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: AgentWD40_FL on October 09, 2012, 06:54:16 PM
9 pm est .... prolly alittle earlier for q'ing?
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: ChromeTuna on October 10, 2012, 05:22:37 AM
When I could hold it together, I was getting 1:46s on RH tires. Which is about right, I'm usually 2+ seconds slower than the fast guys.  :laugh
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: AgentWD40_FL on October 10, 2012, 05:52:07 AM
I need to get in some more practice myself this week.  I'd like to get some better wear outta the tires.  Right now, I'm going to have to reduce the pace to extend tire life.

Have we decided on a host for this event?  With the recent PSN issues, we're going to need a strong lead for the room, and make it floating (is this a lounge race?, or public set privately to 14 racers?).

Last night (among other things) we had issues with people randomly not being able to see each other.  This usually happens with a weak host, but hard to tell with the recent issues.

Looking forward to this!!
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 10, 2012, 07:12:54 AM
I apologize for not stating a practice/Qualifying time.  Damn I really thought I had already laid out the whole schedule.

So race start at 9pm EST.  Qualifying will start at 845 (with a room reset) and the race will start promptly at 9pm.  Practice will be whatever anyone wants before that.

Historically I haven't been a very strong host.  I moved somewhere new in July and I believe my new set up is stronger (only one disco in 3 months) but I'm not sure I want to risk it.  TunaPhreak has historically been a strong host so I'll ask him today if he can be the anchor.  We will have this event in my lounge so please be sure that you're PSN friends with me.

I will be shortly sending out a PM to everyone that has signed up for this race.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Revengel on October 10, 2012, 07:19:11 AM
 We will have this event in my lounge so please be sure that you're PSN friends with me.

I will be shortly sending out a PM to everyone that has signed up for this race.

Just to chime in - it's possible to be in your "My Lounge" without being a PSN friend of yours. 

For example: if I'm freinds with RickS59 & he's friends with you I can just go to the community tab in GT5, look at his profile & I'll see a yellow circle next to the teacup (Lounge).  That indicates that he's online & I can click on the yellow circle to join whatever lounge he's in.

Hope that helps!
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Revengel on October 10, 2012, 07:20:34 AM
When I could hold it together, I was getting 1:46s on RH tires. Which is about right, I'm usually 2+ seconds slower than the fast guys.  :laugh

Ok, the Gods must be crazy when *I'm* considered one of the 'fast guys' in here..!  Pit strategy will be key in this one I think.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Revengel on October 10, 2012, 07:30:41 AM
Fun driving is fun.  Ok I owe someone money for that expression.

Did more laps last night and for whatever reason I just didn't have the mojo.  Perhaps it was a lack of sleep or something of the like...but I could only manage 1.44s.  Upside is I was pretty consistent.

When I practiced I did a couple things that won't be on the actual Enduro:  1) I had damage set to Heavy and 2) I had penalties on Strong.  That second one will help make sure that you aren't taking the Bus Stop too 'dirty' if you will.  I'm currently getting even tire wear but - full disclosure - I'm still using my old DFP wheel.

I'll be driving my #10 RGIII Redskins Special in Olympic Gold with Burgundy rims.  No spinners (thank Jeebus).

For those who need a broken in car I do have an extra Art Monk version (#81, white w/ burgundy rims) that has 200.5 miles on it.  Not sure I'm ready to part with Sonny (#9, Burgundy w/ Gold rims) just yet.


Y'think maybe I'm a die-hard Skins fan?
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 10, 2012, 07:38:06 AM
Hahaha, yeah I think maybe ;)

Good thinking on the penalties while practicing.  I would hope that everyone tries to keep at least 2 tires on the asphalt while navigating through there.  I mean heck anything more than that and I dunno how you wouldn't spin.

Someone mentioned race hard tires.  everyone for the race should be on race medium tires only :D
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: AgentWD40_FL on October 10, 2012, 07:41:08 AM

Just to chime in - it's possible to be in your "My Lounge" without being a PSN friend of yours. 

For example: if I'm freinds with RickS59 & he's friends with you I can just go to the community tab in GT5, look at his profile & I'll see a yellow circle next to the teacup (Lounge).  That indicates that he's online & I can click on the yellow circle to join whatever lounge he's in.

Hope that helps!

This is not correct ... you have to be friends with the owner of the MyLounge in order to get in.  If I have a race/practice in my MyLounge, you (Revengel) will not be able to get in no matter how many friends we have in common.  Public room is different, and works as you describe, but not for a private lounge.  This is why all new people have to be friends with TuTuTuna, HostTuna, etc. etc in order to participate in the weekly tuna races.  The same applies here with this race.  
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 10, 2012, 07:47:03 AM
Hahaha, yeah I think maybe ;)

Good thinking on the penalties while practicing.  I would hope that everyone tries to keep at least 2 tires on the asphalt while navigating through there.  I mean heck anything more than that and I dunno how you wouldn't spin.

Someone mentioned race hard tires.  everyone for the race should be on race medium tires only :D

I've been known to get greedy from time to time in the bus stop.  With shitty cars, it's not a problem to get dusty in the bus stop and come out OK.  However, in cars with this kind of power, I find that if I take a bit more dirt than I should, there is a built in penalty that makes my car spin.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 10, 2012, 07:54:50 AM
^agreed

^^good to know!


I made a new thread for the race since this is mostly a planning type thread  :P
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 10, 2012, 12:32:05 PM
I'm stuck at the office right now so I can't figure this out for myself...can anyone tell me how many liters of fuel you can pick up at a pit stop while the crew is changing tires (meaning that the fuel filler guy stops about the same time the tire guys are done so you don't sit there with your thumb up your butt)?  I was thinking you could get 14 or 17 liters in about the same time as it takes the guys to change the tires.

Working on my pit strategy and I forgot this important piece of information.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: DudeTuna on October 10, 2012, 12:37:24 PM
I'm stuck at the office right now so I can't figure this out for myself...can anyone tell me how many liters of fuel you can pick up at a pit stop while the crew is changing tires (meaning that the fuel filler guy stops about the same time the tire guys are done so you don't sit there with your thumb up your butt)?  I was thinking you could get 14 or 17 liters in about the same time as it takes the guys to change the tires.

Working on my pit strategy and I forgot this important piece of information.

14 is the number I remember.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Turbo-Tuna on October 10, 2012, 01:01:40 PM
I'm stuck at the office right now so I can't figure this out for myself...can anyone tell me how many liters of fuel you can pick up at a pit stop while the crew is changing tires (meaning that the fuel filler guy stops about the same time the tire guys are done so you don't sit there with your thumb up your butt)?  I was thinking you could get 14 or 17 liters in about the same time as it takes the guys to change the tires.

Working on my pit strategy and I forgot this important piece of information.

I only experimented once and I figured it was about 12... I would believe 14.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 10, 2012, 01:16:09 PM
Thanks guys.  Unfortunately, I really need the number to be 36 for my figures to work the way I want them to.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: DudeTuna on October 10, 2012, 02:03:30 PM
Thanks guys.  Unfortunately, I really need the number to be 36 for my figures to work the way I want them to.

ok 36 it is then
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Revengel on October 10, 2012, 02:16:28 PM
I'm stuck at the office right now so I can't figure this out for myself...can anyone tell me how many liters of fuel you can pick up at a pit stop while the crew is changing tires (meaning that the fuel filler guy stops about the same time the tire guys are done so you don't sit there with your thumb up your butt)?  I was thinking you could get 14 or 17 liters in about the same time as it takes the guys to change the tires.

Working on my pit strategy and I forgot this important piece of information.

14 is the number I remember.

Also also,

There will be the luck of the draw.  You *don't* want that first pit spot if you want to alter your refuel amount.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Revengel on October 10, 2012, 02:22:58 PM
Thanks guys.  Unfortunately, I really need the number to be 36 for my figures to work the way I want them to.

ok 36 it is then

Y'all are awesome.

Here's the thing - it's less how much you can put in per pit stop, it's how much do you need to put in during the race.  For example if I need to put in 100 then I need to figure out roughly how many liters I need per pit stop. Only two pits?  around fiddy liters per pit.  Four?  25 per pit.  The thing is you're going to need that fuel eventually - the plan is to finish with the least amount of petrol in your tank at the end of the race.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: DudeTuna on October 10, 2012, 04:17:28 PM
Thanks guys.  Unfortunately, I really need the number to be 36 for my figures to work the way I want them to.

ok 36 it is then

Y'all are awesome.

Here's the thing - it's less how much you can put in per pit stop, it's how much do you need to put in during the race.  For example if I need to put in 100 then I need to figure out roughly how many liters I need per pit stop. Only two pits?  around fiddy liters per pit.  Four?  25 per pit.  The thing is you're going to need that fuel eventually - the plan is to finish with the least amount of petrol in your tank at the end of the race.

I completely agree with you Rev. The unfortunate thing is I could plan sweet strategy only to blow it with a single off track excursion.  :) 
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 10, 2012, 04:31:11 PM
Thanks guys.  Unfortunately, I really need the number to be 36 for my figures to work the way I want them to.

ok 36 it is then

Y'all are awesome.

Here's the thing - it's less how much you can put in per pit stop, it's how much do you need to put in during the race.  For example if I need to put in 100 then I need to figure out roughly how many liters I need per pit stop. Only two pits?  around fiddy liters per pit.  Four?  25 per pit.  The thing is you're going to need that fuel eventually - the plan is to finish with the least amount of petrol in your tank at the end of the race.

I need to make 4 stops (every 14 laps) and I need to pick up 36 liters per pit, that leaves me roughly 40-45 liters to go the final 11 laps, with about a 15 liter window built in. 

If possible, I'm going to cheat and let some poor bastard pull me around the track a few times to save both fuel and tires so maybe I only have to go 7-8-9 laps on the final stint and I can destroy the tires if need be.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Grilled Tuna on October 10, 2012, 09:33:33 PM
odd thing the only race car i've found in game so far that the rims can be changed on is the C2 racing vette we are using in this event...enjoy ;D
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RoninTuna on October 10, 2012, 09:38:50 PM
odd thing the only race car i've found in game so far that the rims can be changed on is the C2 racing vette we are using in this event...enjoy ;D

Nah, there are a few more, Can't think of any off hand but I know I've swapped out a few other racecar rims.

*EDIT*

The Atenza and Mazda 6 concept race cars can have rims changed. I remember specifically because the same rims it comes with are available in the rim selection. I bought a new copy of it's original rims so I could paint them to match the car as opposed to the white they have.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 10, 2012, 09:43:19 PM
Do we have to use the same tune for the race that we qualify with?
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 11, 2012, 06:29:15 AM
Since I'm letting the game itself line us up in order for the race start I don't see how you can change your tune without losing your qualifying spot.

If you guys like I know a way around that but it will require about 5 minutes extra to set it up.  If nobody minds that bump in time it's fine by me.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Revengel on October 11, 2012, 07:17:35 AM
I've been practicing in race trim but I have no objection to the 5 minute work around.  I also feel that if I wind up in the last spot at the start of the race (frankly that's possible) then I have two hours to make up 600-800 yards.

I also suspect that drafting will be key until the first set of pit stops.  After that we'll get broken up and all hamfat will break loose!  I expect most folks to do the 3-4 pit stop thing - off track adventures allowing that is.  But maybe I can hook up a hybrid system and go the whole race with one pit stop!

And while I'm at it my co-pilot will be Eva Notty.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 11, 2012, 08:24:54 AM
Since I'm letting the game itself line us up in order for the race start I don't see how you can change your tune without losing your qualifying spot.

If you guys like I know a way around that but it will require about 5 minutes extra to set it up.  If nobody minds that bump in time it's fine by me.

Sorry, dumb question...it's been quite a while since I've raced, and even longer since I was in a race with qualifying.  I changed the front camber, ran my fastest lap, then asked the posed the question on here before knowing if it could affect tire wear...it doesn't, so my question wasn't necessary.

Also, my tranny is mostly ok, but I'm a bit concerned about top end.  Did I read correctly that the draft now works in qualifying sessions?  I think I've got enough squeeze left to draft but I'm not positive. 
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Revengel on October 11, 2012, 08:31:59 AM

Did I read correctly that the draft now works in qualifying sessions?  I think I've got enough squeeze left to draft but I'm not positive. 

Pretty sure that while the *sound* is affected during the free run, the *draft* is not effective for the free run/qualifying.

 :)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: DudeTuna on October 11, 2012, 08:55:39 AM

Did I read correctly that the draft now works in qualifying sessions?  I think I've got enough squeeze left to draft but I'm not positive. 

Pretty sure that while the *sound* is affected during the free run, the *draft* is not effective for the free run/qualifying.

 :)

There is now drafting in free run. To turn it off you have to disable collisions.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 11, 2012, 09:00:43 AM
^and that sucks for qualifying situations because someone has leave the track to change the setting back before the race...and loses their qualifying time in the process.

Since Rick is good, if nobody requests the need to adjust the tuning of their car between Q and Race Start then we will just leave the qualifying and grid set up the way it is.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Revengel on October 11, 2012, 09:07:15 AM
^and that sucks for qualifying situations because someone has leave the track to change the setting back before the race...and loses their qualifying time in the process.

Since Rick is good, if nobody requests the need to adjust the tuning of their car between Q and Race Start then we will just leave the qualifying and grid set up the way it is.

Cool beans!  By the way I've noticed that during a race drafting still works with collision turned off; I've not tried the qualifying much as yet.  Normally in a public room I Q by myself so that I don't get held up by traffic.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Grilled Tuna on October 11, 2012, 01:18:38 PM
proably best to drop 5-10 seconds behind the car ahead of you during qualifying so they don't hold you up.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 11, 2012, 01:29:52 PM
^and that sucks for qualifying situations because someone has leave the track to change the setting back before the race...and loses their qualifying time in the process.

Since Rick is good, if nobody requests the need to adjust the tuning of their car between Q and Race Start then we will just leave the qualifying and grid set up the way it is.

A couple things here.  First, Rick doesn't race much anymore.  I actually struggled with the Lambo seasonal event.  I've been away from the game for quite a while and my already bad skills have rusted further.

Also, when I asked about using the same tune for Qing and racing, I wasn't aware that my changes had no effect on tire wear (or it was negligible at best), so it's not really as issue.

Also, also, with a two hour race, it really shouldn't matter where I, or anyone else, starts on the grid.  And if we start from a standstill, I'm likely to spin my rears, hit the wall, and end up last through the first turn anyway.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: AgentWD40_FL on October 11, 2012, 02:03:31 PM
  And if we start from a standstill, I'm likely to spin my rears, hit the wall, and end up last through the first turn anyway.

I would expect a rolling start.  Anything else is just asking for disaster on that banking  ..... :o
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: DudeTuna on October 11, 2012, 02:07:59 PM
  And if we start from a standstill, I'm likely to spin my rears, hit the wall, and end up last through the first turn anyway.

I would expect a rolling start.  Anything else is just asking for disaster on that banking  ..... :o

Rolling start is not an option for Daytuna Road Course.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: AgentWD40_FL on October 11, 2012, 02:10:08 PM
Its not?  Hmmm, then obviously I am mistaken ....  :-[
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 11, 2012, 04:25:31 PM
Also, also, with a two hour race, it really shouldn't matter where I, or anyone else, starts on the grid.  And if we start from a standstill, I'm likely to spin my rears, hit the wall, and end up last through the first turn anyway.

Personally I feel that it does make a difference, though I will admit more on some tracks than others.  I would also be so bold as to say that DRC is perhaps a "pass happy" track.

Anyway....just over 24 hrs!  I'm giddy with excitement!!! :-X
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: DudeTuna on October 11, 2012, 04:29:14 PM
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Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: LooneyTuna on October 11, 2012, 04:33:26 PM

I may not make this. To tell you the truth I totally forgot about it until Mr Pack sent his email. Things have been pretty crazy all year and especially since September so I can't remember shit. I have no tune, no mojo and not much chance of keeping up with you guys, er maybe just Rick,  :laugh though he is never as slow as he complains. I may wait till the next race if I don't drop in cold  at the last minute tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: ChromeTuna on October 11, 2012, 05:41:57 PM

I may not make this. To tell you the truth I totally forgot about it until Mr Pack sent his email. Things have been pretty crazy all year and especially since September so I can't remember shit. I have no tune, no mojo and not much chance of keeping up with you guys, er maybe just Rick,  :laugh though he is never as slow as he complains. I may wait till the next race if I don't drop in cold  at the last minute tomorrow.

I got maybe 5 laps of practice, and no strategy, so feel free to keep me company.  :)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 11, 2012, 06:07:41 PM

Also, also, with a two hour race, it really shouldn't matter where I, or anyone else, starts on the grid.  And if we start from a standstill, I'm likely to spin my rears, hit the wall, and end up last through the first turn anyway.

Personally I feel that it does make a difference, though I will admit more on some tracks than others.  I would also be so bold as to say that DRC is perhaps a "pass happy" track.

Anyway....just over 24 hrs!  I'm giddy with excitement!!! :-X

That's my point.  There are quite a few places to pass and several places where cars will likely take themselves out.  I'm not concerned with starting last.  With a standing start, you can easily make up a half dozen spots by the first turn because of guys running straight into the wall when the race flag drops and then a half dozen more if they die in the first turn, and there's always the bus stop.

While I'd love to be up front, with 67 chances for guys to die in turn 1 and in the bus stop, I don't see the start as even being relevant in this race.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: LooneyTuna on October 11, 2012, 06:25:08 PM
I can only get 529 hp. Is this correct?
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap co
Post by: GrumpyTuna on October 11, 2012, 06:37:25 PM

I may not make this. To tell you the truth I totally forgot about it until Mr Pack sent his email. Things have been pretty crazy all year and especially since September so I can't remember shit. I have no tune, no mojo and not much chance of keeping up with you guys, er maybe just Rick,  :laugh though he is never as slow as he complains. I may wait till the next race if I don't drop in cold  at the last minute tomorrow.
 


 Hey Looney i might be able to keep you company! I haven't practiced or been playing GT5 lately. We can always take turns being last, plus i mostly race for the heck of it. Come on out and run with us slow people!
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 11, 2012, 07:12:25 PM
I can only get 529 hp. Is this correct?

No you should have more like 549 hp (I assume you're talking about the Camaro).  I think your car just needs to be broken in (B-spec race anyone?).  It looks like you'll be in good company for not doing a lot of preparation so I hope you decide to show up.  As someone that didn't do a lot of prep the Camaro is the best car to have!  (best handling).
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: AgentWD40_FL on October 12, 2012, 05:29:04 AM
I hope that peoples wont back out because they are unprepared, because the unprepareds will probably be the majority of us.  Once pit stops start happening, the field is going to spread out. There shouldnt be anyone that finds themself running alone for 2 hours with 15 cars on track.  Hook up with someone cause it makes it more exciting and you'll be faster too!

This race wont be decided on the 1st lap .... TAKE IT EASY when the green flag drops.

I've got maybe 2 hours of practice for this, and that was well over a week ago.  I have no idea what I'll do for pit strategy yet ... depends whom I'm running with.  I do know I wont be stretching my tires out ... I've made that mistake in the past.  Even though I'll make fewer pitstops by stretching, my pace will be slower to the point that its counter productive.

Plan your fuel .... you can take 14liters in the time it takes to get tires, and the fuel you do take needs to be planned to get you only to the NEXT pit stop. Unless of course a light fuel load upsets the balance. Opinions will vary, but thats what i do ... :)

Watch the pitroad entrance .... stay between the lines and dont cross the pitline at more than 100mph.  Either of those will hold you for a penalty in your pitbox.  And sometimes its a LONG time.

My nemisis has always been the hairpin .... need to keep telling myself, brake early, brake early

Look forward racing with you all, and having a bunch of fun with this!
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: LooneyTuna on October 12, 2012, 05:36:10 AM

Thanks for the support guys! THAT is why it this place is so great.  8)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 12, 2012, 06:55:25 AM

Thanks for the support guys! THAT is why it this place is so great.  8)

 :stoopid:

^^Great post Agent!! :)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: GrumpyTuna on October 12, 2012, 10:13:06 AM


 Unprepared is my middle name! Don't like to practice, but i like to race! Will be there tonight if I'm still breathing! ;) (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: ChromeTuna on October 12, 2012, 12:09:40 PM


 Unprepared is my middle name! Don't like to practice, but i like to race! Will be there tonight if I'm still breathing! ;) (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)

 :stoopid:
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Revengel on October 12, 2012, 12:59:44 PM
My goals:

1) Don't give myself a concussion.
2) Don't give my car the RGIII special a concussion.
3) Don't give anyone else a concussion.
4) Don't give anyone else's car a concussion.
5) Have fun not giving myself, my car, or anyone or anything else a concussion.

Lather, Rinse, Repeat.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: EX_stream_tuna on October 12, 2012, 02:13:34 PM
hey.  though I'm not in this I wanted to wish you all a fun and tunafied race tunight.

one thought about fuel during pits... for a very long time, and it is possibly still there with the new update... there was a sour spot (opposite of sweet spot) in the fuel load of every car that caused bad handling for a lap or two...

it seems to be right around 3/4 of a tank.

once you drop below it, you're good.  but while at or near 3/4 you may run into situations where the car doesn't handle like you expect it to.

my advice is to do pit strategy with that in mind.  if you fall below 3/4, don't fill up beyond 3/4.  make sense?
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: DudeTuna on October 12, 2012, 02:16:59 PM
Right on thanks for the 3/4 fuel load heads up.

Also, concussions LOL
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 12, 2012, 04:49:10 PM
 (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)

and thanks for the tip Ex!  I'll see you Sunday morning :kiss
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: LooneyTuna on October 12, 2012, 05:49:58 PM
I had a bspec driver run about 30 laps and topped out at 539 hp.  :-\ You guys need to give me a 30 second head start.  (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: dlrws6 on October 12, 2012, 05:54:28 PM
Did you do and Oil Change?
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: DudeTuna on October 12, 2012, 06:02:28 PM
I had a bspec driver run about 30 laps and topped out at 539 hp.  :-\ You guys need to give me a 30 second head start.  (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)

I agree with the oil change mentioned.

Also, check you match the specs, engine mod and such...

1969 RM Camaro Z28
-all power adders and stage 3 engine upgrade, 549 hp
-stage 3 weight reduction, 1085 kg curb weight
-1.94 kg/hp
-603PP
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Turbo-Tuna on October 12, 2012, 06:22:51 PM
Very long day today, but we made it back with no real problems.

Ready to race. (Hopefully driving in Toronto doesn't bring out any roadtage tonight.)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: LooneyTuna on October 12, 2012, 06:30:25 PM
Did you do and Oil Change?

I tried that and said car was new and could not change oil. I will try again now.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 12, 2012, 09:04:27 PM
The first 90 minutes was fun, the last 30 was work.  Can a brother get a 60-90 minute race next time?  My eyes would appreciate it.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: DudeTuna on October 12, 2012, 09:45:29 PM
This is the best race I have been in, in a very long time. I love the fact we had 14 in the race. That was fucking brilliant I must tip my hat to al and just sayl that was more exciting than an F1 race even if Grill and Rick ran off with it.  :laugh
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: DudeTuna on October 12, 2012, 09:57:09 PM
my tune(reminder) here soon (its bad but stable) (http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5256/5498241749_141b597643_z.jpg) tune I had. I hope you fast cats tell me where I went wrong, but I already know I will hate Ricks95 vette tune even if he does share the real deal. I did hit the turn one pit divider very head on. (fucking concussion Gozer. Shit)  and multiple spins. I finished under 2 minutes, but feel I can tighten up my race. I would love to do more races with the specifications. 
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 12, 2012, 10:22:19 PM
All my tune did was guarantee me not to finish last.  I'll be happy to share if anyone wants it, but I had nothing on Grill.  I divide the blame into two parts.  First, he was faster than me; and second, I was half a second faster in my lounge.  Even with the draft and/or lower weight due to fuel consumption, I never came within a half second of laps I ran in my lounge.  But ultimately, Grill dominated.  

From lap 7 or 8 on, I was playing catch up to Grill and Metal.  Grill apparently wrapped this thing up early, because while I spent most of the race in 3nd place, with roughly 20 laps to go, I noticed I was in 2rd place and Metal was several spots behind me.  I was shocked to be in 2st and figured Metal was going to try to run the final 20ish laps on one set of tires.  

My original plan was to pit every 14 laps, but realized I could make up a lap or so each stint due to lower weight from fuel consumption.  I was still in second til I pitted with 10 laps to go but figured I was going to catch Metal before the end, and hoped I'd catch Grill (wishful thinking).

I caught Metal with just a couple laps to go, but never sniffed Grill.  He was far superior to anyone on the track.  I thought I was supposed to have an advantage in the turns or on the straights, since we were in different cars, but that wasn't the case as he used talent to keep me behind him for all two hours.  

It was a fun event and I enjoyed preparing for it (I particularly enjoy running at DRC).  I have to say, two hours is a bit long for me.  I'd love to have then enduros monthly, but if we're voting, I'd vote for something 60-90 minutes long...that seems to be my max.

I appreciate the time and efforts put forth by everyone to make this happen.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 12, 2012, 10:26:22 PM
I could not be happier with how this event went down!  I'll post up my POV of the race later, as well as finishing and starting order.  Congrats to all the podium finishes you guys really kicked some ass!
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: GrumpyTuna on October 13, 2012, 12:17:57 AM


 Congrats to Grill and Rick! Hope we can do this again! Thanks to Wolf for setting this race up, it was Awesome! 8)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: DudeTuna on October 13, 2012, 03:32:28 AM
All my tune did was guarantee me not to finish last.  I'll be happy to share if anyone wants it, but I had nothing on Grill.  I divide the blame into two parts.  First, he was faster than me; and second, I was half a second faster in my lounge.  Even with the draft and/or lower weight due to fuel consumption, I never came within a half second of laps I ran in my lounge.  But ultimately, Grill dominated.  

From last 7 or 8 on, I was playing catch up to Grill and Metal.  Grill apparently wrapped this thing up early, because while I spent most of the race in 3nd place, with roughly 20 laps to go, I noticed I was in 2rd place and Metal was several spots behind me.  I was shocked to be in 2st and figured Metal was going to try to run the final 20ish laps on one set of tires.  

My original plan was to pit every 14 laps, but realized I could make up a lap or so each stint due to lower weight from fuel consumption.  I was still in second til I pitted with 10 laps to go but figured I was going to catch Metal before the end, and hoped I'd catch Grill (wishful thinking).

I caught Metal with just a couple laps to go, but never sniffed Grill.  He was far superior to anyone on the track.  I thought I was supposed to have an advantage in the turns or on the straights, since we were in different cars, but that wasn't the case as he used talent to keep me behind him for all two hours.  

It was a fun event and I enjoyed preparing for it (I particularly enjoy running at DRC).  I have to say, two hours is a bit long for me.  I'd love to have then enduros monthly, but if we're voting, I'd vote for something 60-90 minutes long...that seems to be my max.

I appreciate the time and efforts put forth by everyone to make this happen.

tune was wat?

I have 69 maro Aero 20/49
Limiter 97.2 after race oil change back to 549hp
Trans ? you got me too @ top top speed 232
2.442 1.601
1.143 .901
.705
Final 3.710 top speed 205
feed me lsd 20/25/5
Spension
0/-5
9.8/8.2
5/5
5/4
6/5
1.9/.08
0/0
Whoa @ 4/5

Really great racing. Somehow my best lap was in Q 1'43.9xx. The car is stable, just avoid the.......boom............
I had too many off track excursions, but lapping in the 1'45 to 1'47 average over 17 to 20 laps could do a lot better then I did.  ^-^
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: AgentWD40_FL on October 13, 2012, 06:07:27 AM
I'm also in the agreement crowd .... much fun and a big congrats for the effort put in to make this happen.

Congrats Enyo ... well deserved.

I was getting pretty tired towards the end ... bed time is 10pm.  :laugh . I made no mistakes until around lap55.  I had 2 serious offs within a couple laps of each other ... one at the hairpin, the other through the bus stop. This cost me 4th place, as Metal and (hmm... cant think of his PSN) were just ahead of me and I was on fresh tires.

I kept my pitstops at 14laps, and pretty proud of myself to keep the vette under control at the end of each run, but I had to make that 14 each time.  I found out I had to be quick on the fuel selection after my first stop (early pit stall).  I ended up taking 47liters which through me way back .... but made up for it on the second with only 14liters needed.

I as well never came close to my high-43's, low 44's I experienced in my lounge. I knew I was screwed during race-practice when crossing the start/finish I was only hitting 189 ... my lounge had me at 193. I was averaging low 45's during the race.  I did manage a good Q-time though, and I think I only duplicated it once during 67 laps.  Pitiful ...  :'(

Fun fun fun .... really enjoyed the good driving by everyone, and the chance to spend more than 6 laps at a time racing with you all!

Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: LooneyTuna on October 13, 2012, 06:18:27 AM

Sorry to bail but not being able to race with anybody really bothers me. There was no way I could continue for another hour like that. Usually when this happens I'm not driving a car with similar specs as the rest of the field. I didn't think I sucked that much, but maybe I do.  :-\

It was good to hear that everyone else had fun.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: DudeTuna on October 13, 2012, 10:17:32 AM

Sorry to bail but not being able to race with anybody really bothers me. There was no way I could continue for another hour like that. Usually when this happens I'm not driving a car with similar specs as the rest of the field. I didn't think I sucked that much, but maybe I do.  :-\

It was good to hear that everyone else had fun.

I forget what lap I got lapped on.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Grilled Tuna on October 13, 2012, 11:07:59 AM
thanks for the race everyone. sort of sorry about the contact coming out of the pits Dude(but it was the highlight of MY race ;)). any ways here is my tune

max aero, no ballast
1th-2.019, 2th-1.304, 3st-0.959, 4rd-0.761, 5st-0.620, final 3.44, top top speed 225 bottom top speed 224
LSD 7, 30, 7
suspension-
height 0/0                 camber 0.2/0.2
springs 15.0/14.0        toe  -0.04/0.02
damps ext-10/10        comp-4/4
roll bars 6/6
brakes 5/5

this beast is a pig on fuel but capable of over 17 laps on tires my best time with the car is 1:42.182 peak times are posted around lap 5 of the tire cycle 14 lap schedule is recommended times drop significantly after that 46's. care must be given when accelerating off the hairpins not to spin.

disclaimer: this works for me if not for you then change it. :P
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 13, 2012, 11:16:36 AM
All results and data from last night's race is posted here:

http://www.supatunagt.com/smf/index.php?topic=2068.new#new (http://www.supatunagt.com/smf/index.php?topic=2068.new#new)


So that race for me:

At race start I somehow got a huge jump on The_Revengel, who was gridded in front of me.  Sorry for bumping you from the rear (which almost made me slide sideways, lol) which put me down from 8th to 11th in a quick self inflicted wound, haha.  On lap 2 I got loose through the bus stop and lost the draft from everyone in front of me (bleh).  My pit strategy at race start was to go 14/14/14/13 but they I decided to see if I could do 17's instead.  I spent a lot of time in clean air.  I think I only drafted off other people for about 5% of the race time unfortunately.  I had luck reeling in other drivers but 3 times I made braking errors (after drafting) and hit a wall or semi spun and undid the gains I had earned the previous few laps.  I then started thinking that (outside of my miscues) I wasn't doing myself any favors stretching my tires to 16/17 laps as I was losing too much time per lap conserving tires.  Nor was sitting in the pits to take on a lot of fuel a good use of time in my opinion.  So I changed to a 4 stop strategy the next time I pitted on lap 47.  It helped the time bleeding but didn't stop it!  And then on my last pit stop, while exiting the pit I somehow got my car sideways in the exit lane, taking on a little damage in the process.  That was also when I was lapped, lol.

If we do this again I do believe I need more practice and more tuning (aren't those always the answers to everything?)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Grilled Tuna on October 13, 2012, 11:31:57 AM
i think practice is the answer. regarding tuning i only made tweaks to even tire wear once I figured my transmission wouldn't top out, after that i ran ALOT of laps. I also tested the other 2 cars we ran in the race both hitting mid 43's(after some tuning) to figure out what their characteristics(strengths/weaknesses) were. and honestly i thought the camaro was gonna be the car to beat after my test session wednesday it has amazing tire wear and fuel mileage. hate to say it but the corvette didn't impress me at all other than top speed because it melted the back tires. awsome driving Rick i was expecting camaro's to dominate the podium.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 13, 2012, 11:51:07 AM
this beast is a pig on fuel but capable of over 17 laps on tires my best time with the car is 1:42.182 peak times are posted around lap 5 of the tire cycle 14 lap schedule is recommended times drop significantly after that 46's. care must be given when accelerating off the hairpins not to spin.
 

God, I hope that time is with the draft.  After reading some of the early practice reports and seeing lots of times in the 44s and a best of 43.5, I was pretty happy running 43.5 on my bad tune, changing the front camber and seeing 43.1s in my lounge.

I realized as soon as I got into the race lounge that it would be a cold day in hell before I'd see those times again.  The track felt icier and my top speed was lower due to lifting more than usual exiting the bus stop.

Unfortunately I was reasonably nervous when the race started because I haven’t race with actual humans in a couple months and I didn’t want to kill anyone.  My first half dozen laps were tight and I lost time on each lap, running mid- to high-44s--not what you want to see when low-43s were what I was used to.

I’d say by about ten laps, the two cars in front of me were gone and the cars behind me were gone so I was able to run a lot of the race by myself.  With no cars next to me, I was able to settle down into the low-44 range, but I could tell that wasn’t going to win it.

About half way through the race, I did notice I was catching up to the cars in front at a pretty good clip.  I cut the lead from 30 seconds to 19 seconds, then made my only mistake of the race, lost focus, entered the bus stop too deep and took a shitty angle through it and played in the grass.  No crash, but I left the bus stop 31 seconds behind and knew winning was now out of the question.

Running different cars was kind of neat because there was so much strategy involved.  I had my race planned down to how many liters of fuel I was going to take on each stop so I ran out crossing the start/finish on the final lap, but even with all the preparation, there were several times during the race where I thought to myself, WTF?

I was one of the first cars to pit and I think I might have been in third when I pitted after lap 14.  I left the pits in tenth and found myself in fifth after all cars made their first pit.  I spent several laps trying to figure out how I lost two spots during a pit when it takes everyone the same amount of time to change four tires.  Finally, after a lot of bitching and moaning to myself, I realized that I took 36 liters of fuel on the pit stop and probably not everyone did. 

Some 55 laps in, my car started to lose power, right at the 200 mile mark I’m guessing.  I was coming up on some slower cars and it took me 3 or 4 laps to finally get by because I simply didn’t have the ponies.  That’s about when I started to realize Metal was behind me and had been for some time, I knew I had to make one more stop for tires and a splash of gas and I guessed he was either going to pit once more or go some 20 laps on a set of tires.  I thought either way was a win-win for me.

After my final pit, I was in third behind Grill and Metal and I thought I could catch Metal, and thought with some help from above maybe I could steal it from Grill.  I think despite the lower horsepower, I ran the final ten laps faster than the first ten.  I had plenty of distance on the fourth place car and took out after Metal.  I started seeing 43.7 after 43.7 after 43.7.  With a couple laps to go, I finally caught up and saw Metal.  I smiled because I knew he was toast (sorry Metal).  I don’t know how many laps he’d been out on those tires, but they finally gave entering the speedway and I didn’t have to work for the pass. 

Still, I had nothing for Grill, and if he was running 42.1, I can see why.  When I get on the PS3 later today, I’ll post my Corvette tune.  In my lounge it was good for 43.151 and on a perfect lap, I think it would do just under 43, but nothing like Grill.  You could get 15 laps on a set of tires, but the last couple would need to be under a judicious right foot.  I could push hard for 8 laps, push slightly for the next 3, be gentle for another 2, and then baby it from there. 

As I mentioned before, I enjoyed the race and preparing for it.  I think most of that was because I enjoy the track so much.  Not sure I’d be interested in running two hours at the Cape Ring tracks, but I really look forward to anything at DRC.  The two hours is a bit much for me.  My request, if we’re taking a vote, is to max it at 60-90 minutes.  Also, I’d love to see one of these every month.  There are plenty of cars to choose from and with a good track like DRC, you can run shitty cars and it’s still fun. 

Thanks to everyone who showed up. 
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 13, 2012, 11:54:57 AM
 
i think practice is the answer. regarding tuning i only made tweaks to even tire wear once I figured my transmission wouldn't top out, after that i ran ALOT of laps. I also tested the other 2 cars we ran in the race both hitting mid 43's(after some tuning) to figure out what their characteristics(strengths/weaknesses) were. and honestly i thought the camaro was gonna be the car to beat after my test session wednesday it has amazing tire wear and fuel mileage. hate to say it but the corvette didn't impress me at all other than top speed because it melted the back tires. awsome driving Rick i was expecting camaro's to dominate the podium.

Like you said, Grill, lots of practice.  I never tried the other cars because I’d already made my bed with the Corvette.  After the first few laps, I thought I was in a dog.  I fought to keep my position all through the infield, I could barely pass leading up to the bus stop and I got smoked exiting the bus stop.  I had top speed but I couldn’t pass til the damned stat finish line and by then I needed to get on the brakes.

Still, it’s a Corvette…at least I looked good in it.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Grilled Tuna on October 13, 2012, 01:05:54 PM
my 42.1 was ran in clean air i could only hit the 42's for 3-4 laps per set of tires mostly 43's dropping to 45's by lap 14 with roughly a third tire on right rear. the last 7 laps were  eventful for me to say the least i was trying to eliminate a pit stop and didn't load enough fuel the previous pitstop luckily i hooked up with chrome for 4-5laps then saw metal pit and dove directly into the pit with less than 25% of right rear and less than a eighth of a tank of fuel on lap 65 was sure where you were at but it didn't really matter at that point i had to stop grabbed 15 liters and a set of tires it was offering me no fuel(apparently my virtual crew chief wanted to run dry on lap 67(i didn't)). if i had any errors other than my altercation with dude which only cost 1-2 seconds the race would have ended differently. i also got a killer start where i jumped out 3-4 seconds ahead of everyone on the first lap and had clean air for my whole first set of tires. barely caught a whiff of draft the whole race, till i caught up with chrome around lap 60 and tried to hitch a ride with him. the battle for second place which from my vantage point seemed often and to my advantage. metal also had a good car with a fast lap in the 41's i'm guessing with draft which i didn't get with tires or for long enough on the straights when i had tires since most laps there was a car just out of drafting range or i had a big run coming out of hairpin or bustop passing befor halfway on straight my car topped at 189-190(200 it tapped out following chrome with a possible 201-202 if i had the gears and tires).

also also also if i had of paid attention in english class back in the day this post would proably consist of more than one paragraph. :P
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 13, 2012, 02:35:20 PM
Regardless of the run on sentence, it was a hell of a race Grill.  I think the only time I made up any time on you was when I had good tires and you had shit. 

This made racing fun for me again, so thanks for that.  Hope we don't have to wait months to do it all over. 

And for what it's worth, racing again at DRC wouldn't bother me. 
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 13, 2012, 07:25:51 PM
For anyone who cares or needs it, I ran the old Corvette set to race specs.

Aero:  45/65

1st:  2.954
2nd:  2.028
3rd:  1.485
4th:  1.146
5th:  0.933
Final:  3.053

Top speed at top:  226
Top speed at bottom:  124

LSD:  11/33/11

Ride height:  -15/-20
Spring rate:  6.9/6.3
Dampers (extension):  7/7
Dampers (compression):  5/4
Anti-roll bars:  4/4

Camber:  2.0/1.2
Toe angle:  -0.08/0.05

Brakes:  3/5
ABS was set to 3 during the race.

Generally speaking, the car handled pretty well, though I put in about 50 laps in practice so I might have just gotten used to it.  The LSD was set a bit higher than usual for me, but it seemed to help put the power down exiting turns. 
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Grilled Tuna on October 13, 2012, 08:31:57 PM
i'm all for another enduro or extended race. had a 90 minutes of tsukuba idea if anyone is interested proably 550 PP street cars or tuners like the A-spec race.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 13, 2012, 08:47:06 PM
I'm almost always up for an enduro if I have the time...

but I really can't stand that track.  So personally I would steer clear ;D
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 13, 2012, 09:55:51 PM
I'm almost always up for an enduro if I have the time...

but I really can't stand that track.  So personally I would steer clear ;D

What ^^ said.  Not my favorite track, but I could probably be persuaded.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: GrumpyTuna on October 13, 2012, 10:02:43 PM

 I would rather have the next enduro at Spa, Monza or La Sarthe. With the same cars we used for DRC.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Grilled Tuna on October 13, 2012, 10:21:02 PM
spa, monza or la sarthe also work for me im not picky i don't even like tsukuba just thought it would take very little planning or time to set it up. the longer tracks require more testing to equalize the cars unless it is a 1 make race.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 14, 2012, 09:34:01 AM
DRC is my favorite track, so I'd love to see that again.  I think the tracks recently mentioned provide good racing so I'd be happy to race again at Monza, Sarthe, or Spa.  I'm not strong at Fuji, but it's a hell of a track and provides some technical know how.  As for the fake tracks, Grand Valley is similar to Fuji in that it provides a real test for the car and driver.

Keeping the same cars would be the simplest thing to do, though I'd certainly be open to running different cars.  One make race v. multiple car race; I guess each has its up and downs. 

If the goal is to keep the race competitive and provide lots of close racing, has any thought been given to running different PP based on Q times?  I know there are ways to massage your car's performance with that format, but I trust the guys here--fastest guy runs the lowest PP, slowest guy runs the most PP.  Depending on the Q times, you might have a few guys running the same PP, but in theory it would keep the cars bunched together longer.


Looking forward to seeing what you guys come up with next.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: dlrws6 on October 14, 2012, 11:25:08 AM
I agree with every one I'm up for another one. I personally prefer races that are in the 1 to 3 hour range.  Same cars, different cars, FGTs with max ballast and 500hp, Wolfs GTP idea, Nascar, its all good, although I prefer race cars over street cars. Any real world track (except Lumberg ring long course), HSR, Grand Valley would be my top picks. Set a date and I'll try to be there.


As for my race, I knew I was in trouble from the beginning.  I did not have a good pace from the beginning running mostly in the 1:46s in testing. But, I knew I had really good and even tire wear. So, I came up with both a 2 and a 1 stop strategy, just in case I manged to draft a lot. Like others noticed once in the race lobby the track did not seem to have as much grip and "my lounge" with the same settings. At first things went ok. I ran 24 laps on my first stint and thanks to every one making additional pit stops I managed to work my way up to 5th, despite my lack of speed. My tires wore down quicker than I had expected in the first stint and I almost lost it going through the bus stop and almost took out a charger or two. Good heads up driving on their part, I don't believe there was any contact. My second stint was uneventful, I worked my way from last right after the stop up to 10th where I stayed for the rest of the race. My last top was on lap 47 and from there, thanks to the light fuel load I ran my fastest laps in the last 20 laps but I did not have enough speed to make up the distance I had lost.

I think my biggest mistake was lack of track time before the race. With a series of my own in the works, I spent too much time working on those cars instead of my car for this race.

Bring on the next one!  ;D
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Grilled Tuna on October 14, 2012, 12:16:30 PM
unless you are testing in a online lobby either yours or someone elses testing is mostly useless cause the physics are different.using the practice room is only viable for offline going from offline to online with some cars can seriously knock them out of balance(FT-86 for example).
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 14, 2012, 12:31:49 PM
unless you are testing in a online lobby either yours or someone elses testing is mostly useless cause the physics are different.using the practice room is only viable for offline going from offline to online with some cars can seriously knock them out of balance(FT-86 for example).


PD at it's finest.

So in addition to testing in my own lounge, are you saying if I test in someone else's lounge (like an alternate ID) it's equally useless?
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: dlrws6 on October 14, 2012, 03:51:58 PM
unless you are testing in a on line lobby either yours or someone elses testing is mostly useless cause the physics are different.using the practice room is only viable for offline going from offline to on line with some cars can seriously knock them out of balance(FT-86 for example).

I don't quite understand you're comment.  I think its been pretty well document that offline physics and on line physics are different. Almost or as equally different as GT5Ps standard and professional physics. All of my testing was done in my "lounge", with other people on line and/or by myself with the proper event settings and were all consistant. The physics in those on line tests and the actual race felt to me to be very different.  If you're trying to say each on line lobby has different physics then PD has either attempted to poorly executed varying track surface conditions or the game is more broke that I ever realized.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Turbo-Tuna on October 14, 2012, 05:15:05 PM
unless you are testing in a online lobby either yours or someone elses testing is mostly useless cause the physics are different.using the practice room is only viable for offline going from offline to online with some cars can seriously knock them out of balance(FT-86 for example).

I actually understood it as what we all know. The offline Practice mode has different physics than online lobbies (users lounges or open lobbies). Tunes used online should not be tested in offline practice or A spec.

However, what others are saying or observing is that online physics are also inconsistent. I suspect it has to do with number of people in the lounge or cars on track. I found (entering) the bus stop particularly tough in the race, but in online practice with Enyo and Tank or someone I had no trouble with entering the bus stop. I was over half a second off pace the whole race based on that practice.

I had no chance for top 5 anyway, as I was getting almost all 1:45s. I blew away about 40 seconds in the grass, but  minus that I was still 2 minutes behind Enyo. Good driving guys.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 14, 2012, 07:02:19 PM
So while I think everyone seems in favor of a "repeat" of this event with identical cars I was doing some tinkering earlier and...


grabbed a bunch of newer American race cars if we want to ever do a more modern interpretation of this race.

Corvette C5.R - 640hp 1139kg 643PP
Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II - 618hp 1130kg 643PP
Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car - 603hp 1165 kg 641PP
Dodge Viper GTS-R Team ORECA - 618hp 1150kg 643PP

The above figures are all stock (PP is with max downforce).  These cars' performance are just about identical.  Without tuning, but setting their transmissions at 230 mph and using RS tires I got the following times: (order same as above)

1:40.439
1:41.223
1:40.029
1:40.470

I feel like using these cars for a future race at DRC could make for a lot of fun.  I used RS tires for this brief test b/c if we do a shorter race in the future (per Rick's request) like around 90 minutes using RS tires would still keep the pit strategy as a big impact.

Love to hear your thoughts... :)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Turbo-Tuna on October 14, 2012, 07:11:50 PM
It would be great with modern cars. I've run this group in shorter races at DRC...fun. What about the Camaro LM?
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 14, 2012, 08:13:59 PM
Considered it (and still could) but I felt like the 3 car format was pretty good? :-\

Could add on request though.

(I realize I listed 4 cars, but the GT's are basically the same.  Just color preference really)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 14, 2012, 09:18:33 PM
Hmmm, Corvettes at DRC???  Sign me up.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: dlrws6 on October 15, 2012, 07:00:24 AM
I'm game, Ford GTLM Test Car here, although the viper is tempting.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 17, 2012, 07:55:44 AM
(repost from other thread)

Based on comments I feel like people want to do this exact race again (possibly shorter) or maybe switch cars to the newer ones I listed.  So how about the following options:

A) same cars, same track, slightly shorter race (90 min) on RS tires
B) same cars, same track, same tires, same distance
C) new cars (Viper, GT, Corvette), same track, shorter race (90 min) on RS tires
D) new cars (Viper, GT, Corvette), same track, same tires, same distance

Cast your votes!
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Turbo-Tuna on October 17, 2012, 08:20:44 AM
C looks good to me
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 17, 2012, 09:15:55 AM
C looks good to me


I voted on the other thread...same as Turbo...C. 
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: DudeTuna on October 17, 2012, 09:31:34 AM
I'll go with B.

Plus a wrinkle you have to try different car.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: GrumpyTuna on October 17, 2012, 10:24:25 AM


 I will go with C or what ever gets people to show up!
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Grilled Tuna on October 17, 2012, 11:23:04 AM
as long as i don't have to drive one of them curs'ed AWD/FWD contraptions ill be there.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Revengel on October 17, 2012, 11:36:32 AM
C looks good to me


I voted on the other thread...same as Turbo...C. 

Like I said in the other thread:  :stoopid:
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 18, 2012, 08:57:01 AM
So while I think everyone seems in favor of a "repeat" of this event with identical cars I was doing some tinkering earlier and...


grabbed a bunch of newer American race cars if we want to ever do a more modern interpretation of this race.

Corvette C5.R - 640hp 1139kg 643PP
Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II - 618hp 1130kg 643PP
Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car - 603hp 1165 kg 641PP
Dodge Viper GTS-R Team ORECA - 618hp 1150kg 643PP

The above figures are all stock (PP is with max downforce).  These cars' performance are just about identical.  Without tuning, but setting their transmissions at 230 mph and using RS tires I got the following times: (order same as above)

1:40.439
1:41.223
1:40.029
1:40.470

I feel like using these cars for a future race at DRC could make for a lot of fun.  I used RS tires for this brief test b/c if we do a shorter race in the future (per Rick's request) like around 90 minutes using RS tires would still keep the pit strategy as a big impact.

Love to hear your thoughts... :)

Is the thinking to keep the cars stock like the old Corvette in the last race? 
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: dlrws6 on October 18, 2012, 11:22:52 AM
Dumb question.  If both Ford GTs are available are both the ORECA Chrysler Viper and ORECA Dodge Viper both available since they are the same car but with different names and numbers?

I probably going to start testing on Sunday and don't want to pick the wrong Viper if I end up going that way.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Revengel on October 18, 2012, 12:27:03 PM
I'm just going with the black Ford GT.  Keep it simple with the premium car.

 :jimi:
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 18, 2012, 12:30:50 PM
Rick, yes these vehicles will be raced stock.  In my garage they are all at 643 PP (except one Ford GT at 641 which I suspect isn't fully broken in yet) so no additional power mods will be allowed.  If, fully broken in, they all max out at 643PP that will be an enforced regulation in the lounge.

dlrws6, yes if they both have identical power/weight/PP either is fine

Revengel, nice choice.  I'm leaning towards that one as well. (though at this point it's purely for the sound and looks.  haven't driven it enough to form an opinion on its handling).
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: dlrws6 on October 19, 2012, 06:57:48 AM
Rick, yes these vehicles will be raced stock.  In my garage they are all at 643 PP (except one Ford GT at 641 which I suspect isn't fully broken in yet) so no additional power mods will be allowed.  If, fully broken in, they all max out at 643PP that will be an enforced regulation in the lounge.

dlrws6, yes if they both have identical power/weight/PP either is fine

Revengel, nice choice.  I'm leaning towards that one as well. (though at this point it's purely for the sound and looks.  haven't driven it enough to form an opinion on its handling).

Yes they are the same. I did not notice until last night they are both classified as Dodges in the game even though one is Chrysler Viper from Le Mans and the other is the Dodge Viper used in the ALMS.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Revengel on October 19, 2012, 07:13:54 AM
Just decided to hop around for a bit last night.

We could do this as a 'Tuneless' race but be forwarned - you'll have to re-set the tranny on the black Ford GT. 

Bought one fresh out of the dealership, took it to the track and the track marshalls were all "We don't serve your kind here"  and I'm all "Why?  Because it's BLACK???" and they're all "Settle down Mister Sharpton!"  and there was much of the cussin'.  CNN was on the scene, Spike Lee was going to make a movie, Huckabee did a segment on it...it was a whole mess.

Then I went through all the settings and found the problem.

Moral of the story:  Don't put the Race in Racetrack.

:P
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: dlrws6 on October 23, 2012, 11:11:43 AM
I've decided to go with the Viper #51. It seems to fit my driving style the best and seem to pretty much be ready to go stock. Not to mention I think the GTLM is going to get a little harry to drive as the tires wear down.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: DudeTuna on October 23, 2012, 12:21:30 PM
I'm ready to start looking at cars. Just to clarify, this is a stock/no tuning gig?
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 23, 2012, 12:30:35 PM
I'm ready to start looking at cars. Just to clarify, this is a stock/no tuning gig?

I may not have read as much as I should have, but I understand it to be you can tune, you just can't add parts to your car...at least that's what I did in the old Corvette in the last race...no parts added, just adjusted the parts that came with the car.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 23, 2012, 09:34:05 PM
If we could get some racing specs, that would be great.  My broken in GT LM Test Car came in at 645 PP fully broken in.  I took the engine down to 98.4% to hit 643, but couldn't remember if that car was supposed to be at 641.  Also, the tuning v. no tuning thing.  We've still got over a month to go, so no hurries, but I got bored tonight listening to my 8-year old read his science book to me so I took out the big Ford for a few laps. 
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 24, 2012, 09:11:09 AM
Rick your line of thinking is correct.  It would appear that my PP figures are not for cars fully broken in.  All of these cars will be like the Corvette Z06 from the last race, that being you can adjust all the settings as you see fit.  But you cannot increase horsepower or reduce weight (which I don't think is possible anyway).  So if broken in these cars are up to 645 PP, so be it that will be the limit for the race.

That make sense to everyone? :)


We are going to use option C, just to refresh anyone's memory:

Quote
C) new cars (Viper, GT, Corvette), same track, shorter race (90 min) on RS tires

I haven't seen anyone object to the November 30th race date, right?

current sign ups:

Revengel - Ford GT LM Test Car
dlrws6 - #51 Viper ORECA race car
RickS95 - Ford GT LM Test Car

I haven't done enough testing to decide yet but right now it's between the Viper or GT b/c I like the way they sound :D
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 24, 2012, 09:50:30 AM
Just a head's up here, I've only driven the one car (the GT LM Test Car).  I'm still in the testing stages to see if that's the car I wanted (so I might want to change cars after driving them all).  I stopped running last night because I wasn't sure what the specs were going to be so tonight I'll run some more laps, hopefully in more than one car.

For what it's worth, the Test Car at 643 is stupid fast and handles very well on a thrown together tune.  Granted, I only ran a couple laps, but that car is planted throughout the course.  I'll be curious to see how well the ass end stays in the back as the tires start to wear.

All that said, if it turns out everyone is picking the same car, I'd be happy to be a guinea pig and drive something else so there's a variety on the track.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 24, 2012, 12:29:15 PM
yeah car choice can change!

In some quick driving of the Viper I felt like that car had tremendous front end grip!
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 24, 2012, 10:48:00 PM
I didn't get in an much seat time as I would have liked, but I've now driven the Corvette, the Ford and the Viper for a handful of laps just to get some early impressions. 

I went out in the Ford the other night.  Crazy fast and feels planted most of the time.  However, they put the engine in the wrong place and I'm not yet sold on how that car will run as the tires start to go.  Even with fresh tires, you can feel the butt wanting to come around when you lift approaching a turn.  Will that get worse when half the tire is gone?  Will it make tire wear uneven?  Can you even drive the car with less than fresh tires?  I'm not sure.

The Corvette is easily the best handling car of the three.  The bus stop is no match for that car.  I can't recall anything handling like this car through that series of turns.  Lift and brake to 120 MPH, keep just enough throttle that the revs stay put midway thru the bus stop and as you approach the right-left chicaney thing on exit, bury the hammer and hold on.  It really turns the bus stop into just another corner.  Unfortunately, it's the worst sounding car of the bunch.  Not sure I could take it for 90 minutes.

I drove the Viper last.  Not sure why, and I didn't spend any time looking, but I only got 642 out of it.  Regardless, it too handles well...really well.  I could take the infield faster in the Viper than either other car, but it's simply not as fast as the other two.  It's very stable thru the bus stop, but I'm approaching the turn a few MPH slower, I run thru the bus stop a few MPH slower, I exit the same, but I'm down several MPH at the start/finish.  As someone mentioned, it's got amazing front end grip.  The question:  if the rear tires wear a little quicker, late in the life of the tires the front is going to continue grabbing and the back end is going to start to slide out. 

The Ford is the fastest car, but you might be risking it because it's mid-engine and the rear tires may pay the front tires a visit at an inopportune time.  The Corvette is the easiest to drive and the second fastest.  But God does it sound like shit.  In the right hands, the Viper could probably outrun the Corvette but running side by side, the Corvette will catch the Viper at the start/finish.

Over the next few days, I'll hope to put some miles on each car and see what happens with tire wear and fuel usage.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 25, 2012, 11:51:42 AM
Thanks for doing this legwork Rick!
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on October 25, 2012, 12:15:08 PM
Is there a PP limit?  I mentioned I could only get to 642 in the Viper, but I could probably do an engine refresh and get to 643.  My Corvette maxed at 643, but the Ford hit 645.  Will the limit be 643 or just whatever the car makes stock (meaning the Ford get an extra couple)?
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on October 25, 2012, 02:46:19 PM
For now lets assume that they can vary a few PP among them.  If it looks like the Ford GT has an advantage then we'll knock it back 2-3 PP.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on November 01, 2012, 03:23:37 PM
I was bored this morning so I took the fast Ford out to DRC to see what kind of tire wear could be expected.  A week or so ago I ran a few laps and saw mid-1:38s.  I thought I would pace myself today to see what would be realistic.  I ran my out lap and then my first timed lap was 1:41.1.  I was pissed that in a week I'd fallen off that much so I pushed that hog around the track. 

After a couple laps I got back down to middle 38s and continued to drive it like I stole it.  On the 12rd lap, I could feel the back end starting to lighten, but generally speaking you could run the car at 9 tenths (only in turn one was there a problem and I think if you trail brake better than me--which everyone does--it would help). 

Once I got past the first turn, the car was still fairly stable on the laps after 12.  The only other spot where there was some entertainment came when exiting the infield.  I'm doing some coasting through that turn and in the MR cars I do typically get some lift off oversteer.  But it could be managed.

I died a tragic death on the 15rd lap (twice) but I was still pushing pretty good and I think I was still seeing low 1:41s.  Lap 16 was fairly hairy and I pitted then.  Not sure I've got the best set up on the car for putting laps on it because where the rears were wearing pretty good, I believe the fronts could easily go 40 laps.  Seriously, I had maybe 60% of the fronts left.

In remembering I drove the car like it was a rental, I think at steady 1:40 laps it'll go 18 laps or more (I think taking out some aero will help) before tragedy strikes.  I went with full aero, but cut the power down to keep it at 643.  Over a number of large laps I'm not sure how the Ford compares to the other cars, but for one lap or even ten, I don't think the Viper or Vette can come close to it. 

I hope to run the other two cars to see what kind of distance I can get out of them.  One other note, the car uses the same amount of fuel as the old Corvette from the previous enduro.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on November 02, 2012, 12:04:44 PM
Thanks for the info.  You're doing us all a great service  :D
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: AgentWD40_FL on November 02, 2012, 04:10:04 PM
Thanks for the info.  You're doing us all a great service  :D

Yes, I thought so too .... very constructive.  :D
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on November 04, 2012, 05:24:17 PM
I got tired of listening to Phil Simms comment on the football game so I took out the Corvette for some fun at Daytona.  It's so much easier to drive than the Ford.  The tire wear is very even and for the first 10 laps you can run 10 tenths and the car accepts it.  After that, you have to change your thinking a little, but if you just take a few turns in a higher gear you can still run at 10 tenths.

Like I did with the Ford, I drove it like I stole it.  Got down to 1:39.1 which is a bit faster than I ran a couple weeks ago.  I was on pace for about a 38.8 but never got it.  Still, that's a bit closer to the Ford than I expected.  However, the Corvette makes up all its time on the Ford through the bus stop.  As you get toward the end of the tire wear, the Corvette is still very planted, but you simply can't take the bus stop quite as fast and the lap times start to grow.

I got 20 laps on the tires and I drove the shit out the car.  I'd expect to see maybe 22-23 at a more casual pace.  The one thing I noticed is that in addition to take the bus stop a bit slower, the brakes started to kill lap times as well.  I went deeper and deeper into turns and like I said, the lap times started to grow.

Never did the Corvette scare me.  It got my attention a few times, but I never felt like I was on the edge.  Also, it ran very consistent laps.  Also also, it uses slightly more fuel than the Ford. 

I'm going to run the Ford again with a different setup and see if I can get a few more laps out the tires, but I think car choice for me is going to be decided by how many laps the race is.  In addition, I ran the Ford with a couple PP sitting in my pocket so if the Ford is allowed to run full PP that might affect car choice.  Hopefully we can see some race parameters agreed upon soon.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on November 06, 2012, 02:19:43 PM
I had a brilliant write up today but when I hit the 'post' button, I got some bullshit timed out message and my literary masterpiece was gone.

Anyway, I tried to run the Viper.  It sucks so I changed cars after a couple laps and drove some more in the Ford.  I wanted to try the new physics and see what happened with tire wear if I slowed down a bit.  Actually, in going slower, I turned in my fastest lap since I've been testing.  I ran fairly easily and got 18 laps out of the Ford.  Might have been able to get 19, but that passenger's side rear was almost gone and I was mostly scared during that 18rd lap.  I probably could have run easier, but it's hard for me to throttle back.

I ran very consistent laps, never seeing a 1:42 til lap 17 I think.  Last week, I only got 16 laps out of the tires, so now I'm curious about the Corvette and seeing if it will get 20 laps or more with the new update.

The Ford is still going to be a full second faster for every lap, but I think the Corvette will be able to go a couple laps more, if not 3 or even 4 laps more.  I ran the Ford at 643 to match the other two cars, but I think we should run the cars where they fall, meaning the Ford runs at 645 to make up for the tires and the fact that guys in the Ford are more likely to crash/spin out at least once when the tires wear, whereas the Chevy guys probably won't because the Corvette is never scary.

Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on November 06, 2012, 02:44:49 PM
I think I found your post in another thread in this Enduro section.

Quote
I played around with the new physics before heading into work.  In one of my lounges I didn't notice any difference between the old version and the new update.

I was hoping to run some laps in the Viper, but I simply couldn't.  I pitted after 3 laps and changed cars.  My tune might suck, but it felt good and planted all the way around the track, it's simply not fast enough.  I did an engine refresh and that gave me the 1 PP I was missing so I've got all three cars running at 643 (though the Ford will hit 645...more on that later).

After pitting, I grabbed the Ford to see the number of laps I could expect running a bit easier than last week.  I lessened the downforce a bit up front and in the back to see if I could extend the tires a bit.  Last week I went 16 laps and the last couple were pretty hairy, but I ran balls to the wall the whole time.  This time I eased up a bit, stayed in a taller gear for the sweepers, and squeezed the throttle instead of trying to put it through the firewall.

My first almost spin was on lap 12, which I believe was the same as last time.  However, I babied it a bit and got 18 laps out of the rears (still plenty on the fronts).  I really think I could have gone 19 but the passenger side rear was way low and it was getting pretty squirrelly.  The laps were very consistent and despite not really pushing the car, I cracked my first 1:37.

Unless someone is simply into Detroit iron, I can't see anyone taking the Viper in this race.  It seems pretty far off the pace of the other two cars and doesn't make up for it in handling (maybe you can go 20+ laps on the tires and that might make it competitive).

I see this race coming down to the Corvette and the Ford GT LM.  The Corvette is cake to drive and you'll get 20 laps easily (unfortunately, I'm going to have to run another session in the Corvette to see if babying the car on the new physics increases tire wear).  The Ford is over a second a lap faster, but it's going to get a minimum of 2 laps less on the tires.

My best time in the Ford is 1:37.8 and my best in the Corvette is 1:39.1.  I think I can see 37.5 in the Ford and 38.8 in the Corvette.  Also, the Ford still has a couple PP to play with if we run the cars stock (the Corvette runs at 643 and the Ford at 645).  I think we should run the cars at the PP they come with, meaning the Ford is a couple up on the other two cars, to offset the shitty tire wear and the fact that people are more likely to spin out in the Ford as the tire grip diminishes.

http://www.supatunagt.com/smf/index.php?topic=2116.0 (http://www.supatunagt.com/smf/index.php?topic=2116.0)

That it?   (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on November 06, 2012, 02:58:03 PM
I think I found your post in another thread in this Enduro section.

Quote
I played around with the new physics before heading into work.  In one of my lounges I didn't notice any difference between the old version and the new update.

I was hoping to run some laps in the Viper, but I simply couldn't.  I pitted after 3 laps and changed cars.  My tune might suck, but it felt good and planted all the way around the track, it's simply not fast enough.  I did an engine refresh and that gave me the 1 PP I was missing so I've got all three cars running at 643 (though the Ford will hit 645...more on that later).

After pitting, I grabbed the Ford to see the number of laps I could expect running a bit easier than last week.  I lessened the downforce a bit up front and in the back to see if I could extend the tires a bit.  Last week I went 16 laps and the last couple were pretty hairy, but I ran balls to the wall the whole time.  This time I eased up a bit, stayed in a taller gear for the sweepers, and squeezed the throttle instead of trying to put it through the firewall.

My first almost spin was on lap 12, which I believe was the same as last time.  However, I babied it a bit and got 18 laps out of the rears (still plenty on the fronts).  I really think I could have gone 19 but the passenger side rear was way low and it was getting pretty squirrelly.  The laps were very consistent and despite not really pushing the car, I cracked my first 1:37.

Unless someone is simply into Detroit iron, I can't see anyone taking the Viper in this race.  It seems pretty far off the pace of the other two cars and doesn't make up for it in handling (maybe you can go 20+ laps on the tires and that might make it competitive).

I see this race coming down to the Corvette and the Ford GT LM.  The Corvette is cake to drive and you'll get 20 laps easily (unfortunately, I'm going to have to run another session in the Corvette to see if babying the car on the new physics increases tire wear).  The Ford is over a second a lap faster, but it's going to get a minimum of 2 laps less on the tires.

My best time in the Ford is 1:37.8 and my best in the Corvette is 1:39.1.  I think I can see 37.5 in the Ford and 38.8 in the Corvette.  Also, the Ford still has a couple PP to play with if we run the cars stock (the Corvette runs at 643 and the Ford at 645).  I think we should run the cars at the PP they come with, meaning the Ford is a couple up on the other two cars, to offset the shitty tire wear and the fact that people are more likely to spin out in the Ford as the tire grip diminishes.

http://www.supatunagt.com/smf/index.php?topic=2116.0 (http://www.supatunagt.com/smf/index.php?topic=2116.0)

That it?   (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)

Yep, that's the brilliant piece.  After my computer blew up I couldn't find the damned thing.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: DudeTuna on November 06, 2012, 03:37:52 PM
Effin awesome ^  (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: slowmantuna on November 07, 2012, 09:14:50 AM
can i play toooo?
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: DudeTuna on November 07, 2012, 09:42:53 AM
Yes
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on November 07, 2012, 10:02:00 AM
can i play toooo?

Yes, but you have to drive the Viper and take mandatory pit stops.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: DudeTuna on November 07, 2012, 10:31:20 AM
Also, the OP needs some updating. There is a new set of cars and specifications for the next race.
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: slowmantuna on November 07, 2012, 11:04:09 AM
can i play toooo?

Yes, but you have to drive the Viper and take mandatory pit stops.

YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME. IN FACT I'LL DRIVE THE VIPER, BUT I REFUSE TO PIT. THAT'LL OUGHTA LEARN YOU!!!!
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on November 07, 2012, 11:27:11 AM
can i play toooo?

Yes, but you have to drive the Viper and take mandatory pit stops.

YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME. IN FACT I'LL DRIVE THE VIPER, BUT I REFUSE TO PIT. THAT'LL OUGHTA LEARN YOU!!!!

Oh, so you're going to be like Spec in the last enduro we ran together? 
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: slowmantuna on November 07, 2012, 12:18:13 PM
why yes, i suppose i wll be. god that was funny!!!!!
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: RickS95 on November 07, 2012, 12:21:19 PM
why yes, i suppose i wll be. god that was funny!!!!!

For those who have no idea what we're talking about, in the last 4-letter enduro, Spec, Hey and I were on a team.  We'd worked on the car for what seemed like months and had a workable tune and a perfect strategy.  We'd calculated how much fuel each lap took and how many pit stops we'd have to make, and armed with those numbers, how much fuel we needed to get at each pit stop to make it to the end.

Spec completely misunderstood the message and ran out of fuel...twice. 
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: DudeTuna on November 07, 2012, 01:16:38 PM
Box! Box! Box!
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: slowmantuna on November 07, 2012, 03:08:09 PM
why yes, i suppose i wll be. god that was funny!!!!!

For those who have no idea what we're talking about, in the last 4-letter enduro, Spec, Hey and I were on a team.  We'd worked on the car for what seemed like months and had a workable tune and a perfect strategy.  We'd calculated how much fuel each lap took and how many pit stops we'd have to make, and armed with those numbers, how much fuel we needed to get at each pit stop to make it to the end.

Spec completely misunderstood the message and ran out of fuel...twice. 


god that was funny
Title: Re: American Classic Trans-Am Race October 12th at 9pm (updated 10/7 with lap count!
Post by: Wolfpack987 on November 07, 2012, 03:34:43 PM
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Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: DudeTuna on November 13, 2012, 10:51:54 AM
I'll use the Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car see you on the 30rd if not sooner for some practice.  :)
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: Metal on November 19, 2012, 09:17:03 AM
I'll be working unfortunately. Have fun with this one guys! i would love to run this.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: slowmantuna on November 19, 2012, 09:59:06 AM
I'll use the Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car see you on the 30rd if not sooner for some practice.  :)

GTLM DOES LOOK LIKE THE MOSTEST FUN!!! i'l prolly run it too.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on November 20, 2012, 07:59:21 AM
I've been leaning towards that car as well, and did some laps last night.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on November 26, 2012, 01:32:53 PM
6 days till race day!

Can we get a tally of who is showing up?  I feel like attendance won't be what it was last time.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: DudeTuna on November 26, 2012, 01:55:07 PM
I'll be there.  :)
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: Revengel on November 26, 2012, 03:21:20 PM
6 days till race day!

Can we get a tally of who is showing up?  I feel like attendance won't be what it was last time.

Even tho I haven't had any seat time, I'll lkely be there. 


Dr. Mrs. owes me big time.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: RickS95 on November 26, 2012, 08:35:02 PM
There hasn't been much talk about the event, but I'm thinking maybe that's because of the holiday.

I'm still planning on being there.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: dlrws6 on November 26, 2012, 08:58:44 PM
I have not had a chance to practice or tune but I should still be there to at least act as field filler.  I'll still be driving the Cobra Viper... er Oreca Viper
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on November 27, 2012, 07:56:58 AM
Good deal.  I'll admit I haven't been getting as much seat time this go around either  :P
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: DudeTuna on November 27, 2012, 12:20:09 PM
I'm going to try and get some pre race laps in on Wednesday night. I'll trash dawson's lounge.  (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: dlrws6 on November 27, 2012, 12:24:19 PM
I'm going to try and get some pre race laps in on Wednesday night. I'll trash dawson's lounge.  (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)

I might be able to join in and break a few chairs.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: DudeTuna on November 27, 2012, 01:55:42 PM
I'm going to try and get some pre race laps in on Wednesday night. I'll trash dawson's lounge.  (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)

I might be able to join in and break a few chairs.

Are you getting fat and need to go on a diet?
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on November 27, 2012, 03:09:13 PM
 (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: dlrws6 on November 27, 2012, 06:21:10 PM
I'm going to try and get some pre race laps in on Wednesday night. I'll trash dawson's lounge.  (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)

I might be able to join in and break a few chairs.

Are you getting fat and need to go on a diet?

Actually yes.    :(    (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: RickS95 on November 27, 2012, 08:21:18 PM
Ok, who's been fucking with my car?  I take off for a couple weeks and when I get back, I find that someone's been messing around in my garage.

When I first started running the car, my Ford maxed out at 645 PP, a couple higher than the Corvette or Viper.  Now, two weeks later, my Ford maxes out at 642 PP on full engine power and oil so fresh it won't let me change it.  

WTF?

Problem solved.  Told the hired help to take the car to get it washed, apparently he fucked around with the aero and didn't tell me.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: TunaPhreak on November 28, 2012, 09:24:57 AM
Sweet, with everyone getting in as much practice as I usually do, I'll try to join up too!
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: DudeTuna on November 29, 2012, 12:29:04 PM
That went well. See you all tomorrow night.  :)
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: RickS95 on November 29, 2012, 01:17:42 PM
I learned last night that I can't go 20 laps if I spin out 3 times in the first 10 laps.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: DudeTuna on November 29, 2012, 03:06:35 PM
I learned last night that I can't go 20 laps if I spin out 3 times in the first 10 laps.

I learned not to let Ricks95 get away in the first few laps.   :)
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: RickS95 on November 29, 2012, 08:33:08 PM
I learned last night that I can't go 20 laps if I spin out 3 times in the first 10 laps.

I learned not to let Ricks95 get away in the first few laps.   :)

Shouldn't be a problem tomorrow night.  Gotta learn to take it easy til the first pit stop.  Can't win the race in the first ten laps but you can sure lose it.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: GrumpyTuna on November 29, 2012, 11:05:08 PM

 Going to try and make the race tomorrow! I will probably be in the Ford GT LM SPEC II test car if that is cool!


 P.S. Not sure on the tires, but practicing on RM's!
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: AgentWD40_FL on November 30, 2012, 06:08:28 AM
I'll probably be here too .... not sure what car tho. Run a few laps a 1/2 hour before should be good ....  :o
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: slowmantuna on November 30, 2012, 10:06:48 AM
I'll probably be here too .... not sure what car tho. Run a few laps a 1/2 hour before should be good ....  :o

so your gonna run it like me i see.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: slowmantuna on November 30, 2012, 10:10:37 AM
also, how many laps is this race? i'm supposed to practice for tomorrows 4 letter word enduro tonight, but i really need to step out of the jag for a few minutes.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: DudeTuna on November 30, 2012, 10:17:40 AM

 Going to try and make the race tomorrow! I will probably be in the Ford GT LM SPEC II test car if that is cool!


 P.S. Not sure on the tires, but practicing on RM's!

It's Racing Softs only.  :)
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: DudeTuna on November 30, 2012, 10:18:51 AM
also, how many laps is this race? i'm supposed to practice for tomorrows 4 letter word enduro tonight, but i really need to step out of the jag for a few minutes.

52 laps   :jimi:
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: slowmantuna on November 30, 2012, 10:30:27 AM
so it starts 6:oo pacific time. and prolly about 1:30 hours or so i figure? cool.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: DudeTuna on November 30, 2012, 11:48:41 AM
so it starts 6:oo pacific time. and prolly about 1:30 hours or so i figure? cool.

i concur


 8)
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: GrumpyTuna on November 30, 2012, 12:04:25 PM
so it starts 6:oo pacific time. and prolly about 1:30 hours or so i figure? cool.


 Thought you were to limit you car to 150 mph so it would give use real slow people a chance! ;D
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: dlrws6 on November 30, 2012, 12:10:21 PM
Move me to the maybe list.  I've got to take care of some business tonight and most likely won't get home in time to race.  If I'm not there by start time don't wait for me.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: DudeTuna on November 30, 2012, 12:31:20 PM
so it starts 6:oo pacific time. and prolly about 1:30 hours or so i figure? cool.


 Thought you were to limit you car to 150 mph so it would give use real slow people a chance! ;D

I thought Rick said he had to use a Viper?
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: RickS95 on November 30, 2012, 01:19:00 PM
so it starts 6:oo pacific time. and prolly about 1:30 hours or so i figure? cool.


 Thought you were to limit you car to 150 mph so it would give use real slow people a chance! ;D

I thought Rick said he had to use a Viper?

I'm pretty sure I did say that, but in thinking about it, I'd prefer he drive the fast car...I'd hate to get my ass beat when he's driving a piece of shit and I'm in the go-to car.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: DudeTuna on November 30, 2012, 01:59:36 PM
so it starts 6:oo pacific time. and prolly about 1:30 hours or so i figure? cool.


 Thought you were to limit you car to 150 mph so it would give use real slow people a chance! ;D

I thought Rick said he had to use a Viper?

I'm pretty sure I did say that, but in thinking about it, I'd prefer he drive the fast car...I'd hate to get my ass beat when he's driving a piece of shit and I'm in the go-to car.

i concur


I don't think the vett or viper will keep up with the GT
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: AgentWD40_FL on November 30, 2012, 02:05:17 PM

 Going to try and make the race tomorrow! I will probably be in the Ford GT LM SPEC II test car if that is cool!


 P.S. Not sure on the tires, but practicing on RM's!

It's Racing Softs only.  :)

The first readable line in the OP under events says ..... Racing Medium
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: DudeTuna on November 30, 2012, 03:25:40 PM

 Going to try and make the race tomorrow! I will probably be in the Ford GT LM SPEC II test car if that is cool!


 P.S. Not sure on the tires, but practicing on RM's!

It's Racing Softs only.  :)

The first readable line in the OP under events says ..... Racing Medium

Paging WolfpackS2K.

I think it was over looked in the post and I'm pretty sure it is Racing Softs.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: AgentWD40_FL on November 30, 2012, 03:40:55 PM
I have not gone through 20 pages of this thread, so maybe I missed something in regards to tires.  Hell, I dont even know the track that was decided on.  Probably other things like hp/pp caps that I'm not sure of ...

Maybe its better if i give up on this one, and catch ya 'all next time ....  :laugh
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: Revengel on November 30, 2012, 04:27:23 PM
I have not gone through 20 pages of this thread, so maybe I missed something in regards to tires.  Hell, I dont even know the track that was decided on.  Probably other things like hp/pp caps that I'm not sure of ...

Maybe its better if i give up on this one, and catch ya 'all next time ....  :laugh

Like hell!

I'm coming out from under a rock to drive this thing.  First race since...September?  Oh and I'll be in a 4rd.  The Black One.  I'll be number fore.  You can tell my car because mine has a wing.

:P
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: DudeTuna on November 30, 2012, 04:31:38 PM
I have not gone through 20 pages of this thread, so maybe I missed something in regards to tires.  Hell, I dont even know the track that was decided on.  Probably other things like hp/pp caps that I'm not sure of ...

Maybe its better if i give up on this one, and catch ya 'all next time ....  :laugh

It is at DRC, grab yourself the Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car change the oil and put some racing soft tires on it. You can adjust whatever is adjustable. ie aero, trans, suspension, diff.... And join us for some fun.  :)


Also, link to nice tune (http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5598285#post5598285).
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on November 30, 2012, 06:28:44 PM
Sorry about not replying sooner.  RACE SOFT TIRES
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: Revengel on November 30, 2012, 08:00:36 PM
Who's lounge?


Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: RickS95 on November 30, 2012, 10:05:57 PM
Amazing run by Hey.  Not so much that he won, but that he crashed once, dicked around a couple other times when he got bored, and ran 29 or 30 laps on a set of softs.  Well done, my friend.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: AgentWD40_FL on November 30, 2012, 10:23:51 PM
Great racing!  Congrats Hey!

Pretty pleased with my 3rd, considering I started near the front and the good racers that showed up; had a bad crash in the bus stop @ lap 2, which put me dead last. Kept chomping away on a 2 pit stop run (lap 13 and 31) and finished only 50sec behind 1st.

Thanks for linking to that tune Dude.  I used 95% of it, which is very unusual for me to use someone elses tune.  8)

Glad I came out .... lotsa fun and a good time!  Now, off to find some 'brownies'.  ^-^

See ya 'all next time!

Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: AgentWD40_FL on November 30, 2012, 10:28:07 PM
Oh yeah .... and THANKS WolfpackS2k/Dawson for putting this on ....  :)
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: RickS95 on December 01, 2012, 12:48:27 AM
Got a question I forgot to ask...when is the next one?
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: slowmantuna on December 03, 2012, 08:54:58 AM
what a blast, thanks guys for letting me join in on this.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: RickS95 on December 03, 2012, 10:53:33 AM
what a blast, thanks guys for letting me join in on this.

For winning this past race without even trying, you've been banned from the next one.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: GrumpyTuna on December 03, 2012, 11:36:17 AM


 And you for calling someone "some fucker" and not the name of the driver.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on December 03, 2012, 11:53:28 AM
 (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)


Rick, we will find a time.  Definitely will be in the new year though.  And possibly different cars (than either we've already used).
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: RickS95 on December 03, 2012, 12:19:00 PM


 And you for calling someone "some fucker" and not the name of the driver.

If this was addressed to me, I think Hey is the only person I used that term of endearment with.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: RickS95 on December 03, 2012, 12:22:33 PM
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Rick, we will find a time.  Definitely will be in the new year though.  And possibly different cars (than either we've already used).

I think we should make it a monthly series at DRC.  Different cars each time.

In thinking out loud, I wonder if it could be a year long series with 12 cars...drive a different one each time.  Winner could be determined by either a points system based on each race or combine the times of each race for one overall winner based on time (highly unlikely that everyone involved would be able to make each race, so maybe a race or two get dropped and the winner is determined by his ten worst times...something like that).

Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: dlrws6 on December 03, 2012, 01:01:25 PM
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Rick, we will find a time.  Definitely will be in the new year though.  And possibly different cars (than either we've already used).

I think we should make it a monthly series at DRC.  Different cars each time.

In thinking out loud, I wonder if it could be a year long series with 12 cars...drive a different one each time.  Winner could be determined by either a points system based on each race or combine the times of each race for one overall winner based on time (highly unlikely that everyone involved would be able to make each race, so maybe a race or two get dropped and the winner is determined by his ten worst times...something like that).



 :stoopid:

I like this idea, as long as one of the cars is the 2000 Camaro RM or the street car of the same year.  :P

I'm sorry I missed this one. I'll do better next time  ^-^

also, Wolf, I don't know how the others would feel, but if you wanted to take the Group C cars and run them at DRC, please feel free to.  I have not had much of a chance to work on the event that I was planning.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on December 04, 2012, 07:28:05 AM
^I would be down to do this event with the Group C racers at some point, however I believe one or two comments mentioned after Friday's race were requesting that the next DRC event be held with slower cars.

To that end I spent around an hour just doing some brief testing of about 10 cars.  A bunch of race cars around 500PP and a bunch of FR sports cars (no downforce) around 550-600PP.  I tested them all on race hard tires.

Which would you guys prefer for the next one?  Slower race cars lapping mid to high 1:5x's topping out around 160 mph or fast sports cars lapping high 1:4x's topping out around 180 mph?

Make your choice....but I won't reveal which cars are in each group until after it's been decided, bwahahahaha :lolz


I vote for SPORTS CARS  :)
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: RickS95 on December 04, 2012, 09:38:07 AM
I'd prefer the faster, RWD cars running 1:4X and 180 MPH.  However, there would likely be less carnage with the slower cars.  I know the bus stop ended some races on the first lap the other night.  I think I even remember Hey asking if we needed to restart.

Even slower cars can be fun to drive and I think fun is the operative word.  I'd rather not get into the classic cars to much as 90 minutes of fighting with a car doesn't do much for me.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on December 06, 2012, 03:41:53 PM
I might be online tonight testing, after 8pm EST.  If you want to join in PM me and I'll say which cars you should show up with  :D
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on December 10, 2012, 11:39:57 AM
Okay there hasn't been much activity in this thread of late, so I'll post up the 2 possibilities I was thinking for the next race.

High Revving Hondas:
-RM Civic Type R
-RM Integra Type R
-S2000 race car (which one I'm not sure)
PP set around 500 for the FWD cars, probably around 475-480 for the S2000.
-Race hard Tires, tire wear set for fast.

*This one would require a fair amount of testing, mainly for tire wear, to make sure the S2000 doesn't have an advantage.

Gentlemen's Racers - showroom stock
-Corvette ZR1 '09
-Corvette Z06 '06
-Lexus LFA
-Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG
-Mercedes-Benz SLR AMG
-no modifications allowed
-race hard tires

*If there is another Premium dealership FR exotic that anyone would like to be included or considered please let me know (but don't ask about the Viper ACR).  And to repeat, only front engine, rear wheel drive coupes. 

**I swapped out the ZR1 for the Z06.  It seems like a better fit and can turn laps in the 1:49 range, which puts it on equal footing as the other cars.
Title: Re: American LM Race November 30th at 9pm (updated 11/7 with lap count!)
Post by: dlrws6 on December 10, 2012, 12:40:49 PM
^ Both sound like fun.  I almost want to lean toward the FWD race cars. I can't think of the last time I did more than a 5 lap race in one. I think out of either choice it would actually be the most different from the last two races.

On the other hand, as Wednesday night and last weeks TOC proved, showroom stock exotics are fun too.

Oohh, any chance the ACR Viper could be included.  :P   (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)  :lolz

In all seriousness, well... what little I can muster, I'll vote for choice 2.
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: TunaPhreak on December 11, 2012, 01:42:14 PM
I just want to officially post my apology for the last race, both my performance  and my surroundings.  I mean I had fun as I got way tipsier than expected at the beginning of the race, but I know I could of certainly been a distraction to many.  It started out as having a couple of friends over for dinner, and by the halfway point turned into a full out party, which I wasn't expecting when I started the race.

I had mentioned pre-race if anyone found my side of the voice chat distracting/annoying/anything please let me know and I'd happily shut it down.  Not sure if no one asked, or I just missed it, but again, sorry to anyone I may have upset during the last run.
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: dlrws6 on December 11, 2012, 09:02:46 PM
LMFAO - Sorry For Party Rocking (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkTt9k4Y-a8#ws)
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on December 12, 2012, 09:48:30 AM
I think we're going to go ahead with the Stock GT supercars as Grilled's enduro next week is slightly similar to the other option I presented.

Did some longevity testing last night for the SLS & LFA and found it remarkable how closely they are matched.  Best lap times were within a few 10ths of one another and they both can stay out on track in between pit stops for around the same amount of laps.  If I have time tonight I will do the same with the SLR and Z06.

So pick your vehicles!  For the first 8 entrants I would like no more than 2 people to claim a vehicle.  If entrants exceed 8 then it'll be 3 per car and so forth.
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: DudeTuna on December 12, 2012, 10:00:05 AM
LFA me.  ^-^
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: dlrws6 on December 12, 2012, 12:23:16 PM
Z06 here
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on December 12, 2012, 06:22:30 PM
I will be piloting the gullwing ;D
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: RickS95 on December 12, 2012, 07:48:03 PM
Having not driven any of the cars, I'll go with the Z06.

If the car sucks and there are still options, can we change to a less shitty car?
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on December 12, 2012, 09:52:30 PM
yes
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on December 13, 2012, 08:38:21 AM
Okay so far the sign up sheet is like so:

DudeTuna - LFA
dlrws6 - Z06
RickS95 - LFA
WolfpackS2k - SLS
GrumpyTuna - SLR
Grilled Tuna - SLR

So until we have more than 8 people I would prefer if nobody else picks the Z06.  Keep in mind I've done extensive testing (IMO at least) that has determined that any of these cars are capable of winning.  I'm confident the winner will be decided by who makes the fewest mistakes, not because of what car they're driving.  Also, people can change which car they want to drive up to 2 weeks before the race date (TBD) as long as it's still available.

I will make another separate thread later today so that the individual race info will be easy to find for everyone.
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: GrumpyTuna on December 14, 2012, 12:10:54 AM

 I will give the SLR a shot even though I have driven any of the cars! That will be if i can make the race. I know i probably miss it some where, but what can be done to the cars?
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on December 14, 2012, 07:14:17 AM
Nothing!  100% stock  :D

SLR is a good choice.  While it's the heaviest it has the highest PP, is very stable and planted and reaches the highest speeds on the oval section.  Damn good brakes too thanks to the air brake.
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: GrumpyTuna on December 14, 2012, 11:41:08 AM


 That would include no oil change?
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: DudeTuna on December 14, 2012, 11:48:24 AM


 That would include no oil change?

Change the oil and break it in!  ;)

Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on December 14, 2012, 12:01:03 PM
you can change the oil and break in the vehicles.  I'm not sure what power they top out at but I think all mine are broken in.  And they are (assuming I remember properly):

SLS - 592 hp
SLR - 631 hp
Z06 - 529 hp
LFA - 570 hp
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: Grilled Tuna on December 14, 2012, 04:21:39 PM
hope i didn't cut you off wolkpack just didn't see or hear of anything assigned for that night. BTw sign me up for a SLR  :)
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on December 14, 2012, 05:56:46 PM
Not at all man.  And car choice noted.

Btw, what does everyone think of January 11th or 12th, at night, for the race?  Or the 13th, during the day?  Let me know what you think.
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: DudeTuna on December 14, 2012, 06:01:49 PM
I would prefer 11 or 12, but 13 would work for me too.
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: dlrws6 on December 14, 2012, 06:38:05 PM
I would prefer 11 or 12, but 13 would work for me too.

 :stoopid:
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: RickS95 on December 15, 2012, 02:35:38 PM
Okay so far the sign up sheet is like so:

DudeTuna - LFA
dlrws6 - Z06
RickS95 - Z06
WolfpackS2k - SLS
GrumpyTuna - SLR
Grilled Tuna - SLR

So until we have more than 8 people I would prefer if nobody else picks the Z06.  Keep in mind I've done extensive testing (IMO at least) that has determined that any of these cars are capable of winning.  I'm confident the winner will be decided by who makes the fewest mistakes, not because of what car they're driving.  Also, people can change which car they want to drive up to 2 weeks before the race date (TBD) as long as it's still available.

I will make another separate thread later today so that the individual race info will be easy to find for everyone.

After some very early testing in A-Spec mode, I'd like to rescind my choice and leave the Z06 open for the time being.  After a few races, it's the slowest of the three cars I've played with. 
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on December 16, 2012, 02:02:14 PM
sure thing
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: RickS95 on December 16, 2012, 04:11:01 PM
After careful consideration during what's been an awful late afternoon of football games, I've concluded the Corvette is going to kill someone (and it's slow), I can't tolerate the sound of the SLR, and the SLS doesn't want to stop so I'll go with the lesser of the four evils, which also happens to be the fastest car by far, and pick the Lexus. 
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on December 17, 2012, 09:12:31 AM
Interesting analysis.  Personally I didn't find the LFA to be the fastest and I found it to be the twitchiest vehicle.  I would agree the Z06 is the slowest, but not by much.

New selection noted.  Also stay tuned for a new thread just for the coming event...
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: RickS95 on December 17, 2012, 09:50:27 AM

Interesting analysis.  Personally I didn't find the LFA to be the fastest and I found it to be the twitchiest vehicle.  I would agree the Z06 is the slowest, but not by much.

New selection noted.  Also stay tuned for a new thread just for the coming event...

This could make for an interesting race because it sounds like different driving styles might produce noteworthy differences in performance.  I thought the Z06 was the twitchiest and slowest.  The two Mercs seemed very evenly matched, just a few tenths separated my times.  I thought the two Mercs and the Lexus were more planted than the Z06, particularly coming out of turns as I could put my right foot through the firewall and not die...even with warm tires, I'd spin the Z06. 

While I never ran what I'd consider a good lap in the Z06, my best time was 1:50.005.  I was low to mid-1:49s in both Mercs, but I think I'll see 47s in the Lexus when all is said and done. 
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on December 17, 2012, 09:54:23 AM
I recorded similar times to what you posted above, for those 3 cars.  I was able to record my fastest times in the LFA (mid to high 1:48s) however I was least consistent in that car and felt that the tire wear affected it more.  The others (Benzes in particular) were much more consistent performers for me.
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: RickS95 on December 17, 2012, 11:41:42 AM
I recorded similar times to what you posted above, for those 3 cars.  I was able to record my fastest times in the LFA (mid to high 1:48s) however I was least consistent in that car and felt that the tire wear affected it more.  The others (Benzes in particular) were much more consistent performers for me.

I really tried to run the cars through a full life of a set of tires.  I kept killing myself in the Z06 and stopped.  I couldn't stand the sound of the SLR and stopped.  I couldn't stop the car in the SLS and stopped.  I didn't find much wrong with the LFA (the sound is an 'acquired taste') but got bored and stopped.  Not sure about tire wear but I figure it's the lesser of the four evils so I'll make due somehow. 
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: DudeTuna on December 17, 2012, 03:31:55 PM
Are you guys using racing soft tires?
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: RickS95 on December 17, 2012, 04:41:27 PM
Are you guys using racing soft tires?

I think it calls for racing hards.
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: DudeTuna on December 17, 2012, 04:53:46 PM
Are you guys using racing soft tires?

I think it calls for racing hards.


Thank you and I found it.

Gentlemen's Racers - showroom stock
-Corvette ZR1 '09
-Corvette Z06 '06
-Lexus LFA
-Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG
-Mercedes-Benz SLR AMG
-no modifications allowed
-race hard tires

*If there is another Premium dealership FR exotic that anyone would like to be included or considered please let me know (but don't ask about the Viper ACR).  And to repeat, only front engine, rear wheel drive coupes.  

Wolfpack, what will the tire/ fuel wear be set to?
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on December 17, 2012, 05:16:15 PM
Thank you for asking.  I thought I already posted that and if I hadn't I apologize!  The setting for tires/fuel will be "fast".
Title: Re: American LM Race TBD at 9pm (updated 12/11)
Post by: Wolfpack987 on December 17, 2012, 05:32:16 PM
Since the next race's format has been set up let's move all discussion for the next event to this thread:

http://www.supatunagt.com/smf/index.php?topic=2209.msg53461#msg53461 (http://www.supatunagt.com/smf/index.php?topic=2209.msg53461#msg53461)

Less clutter will lead to less confusion pre-race for everyone.