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Gran Turismo => General Gran Turismo => Topic started by: RoninTuna on June 27, 2012, 09:41:57 PM
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I like BMW but seriously.....This ???.
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for the LOVE OF EVERYTHING THAT IS HOLY pleeeease let us repaint it....
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That thing, painted as is, is worth many many times what a "normal" M1 would go for, even though it probably doesn't drive.
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After 35 year of it being in existance you'd like to object now?
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for the LOVE OF EVERYTHING THAT IS HOLY pleeeease let us repaint it....
Not lokely, it's a real Warhol and it's that paint that has them considering and or developing it for the game.
That thing, painted as is, is worth many many times what a "normal" M1 would go for, even though it probably doesn't drive.
It is from the BMW Art Car program, all were fully functional, a few of them competed in the 24 hours of Le Mans. I'm not sure if this one competed, I think it did but I can't say for sure.After 35 year of it being in existance you'd like to object now?
I'm not objecting to it having been done or the program that produced it in fact I have seen that car IRL and found it to be pretty neat at the time. I am objecting to PD is choosing this over the standard M1 and/or If PD really feels this is necessary, why just this one and not the other sixteen "BMW Art Car" program cars as well?
I am seeing nothing indicating that the other sixteen cars from the program are being considered nor am I seeing the standard M1 is being considered. This is the only one I am seeing evidence that they are considering and that bothers me.
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They are just asking a question. They haven't said that's what they are adding.
If they can do this M1, then they can also do a normal street version and the Pro version.
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Curiosity killed the cat right so I should have learned something since I know the saying, but here it goes anyway. How much can something like this really "bother" someone? And why? It is still just a M1 underneath. And the game is light on some great driving Bimmers.
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Are we getting a car? An Andy Warhol one... I smell a Drive-In...
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Are we getting a car? An Andy Warhol one... I smell a Drive-In...
Sorry, that's my fault.. one of those Bush's Baked Backdrafts :-[
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PD is still behind on 2 SEMA cars, if y'all recall. '69 Camaro, and '70ish Camaro.
Edit:
http://www.gtplanet.net/71-chevrolet-camaro-wins-2011-gt-awards-best-in-show/ (http://www.gtplanet.net/71-chevrolet-camaro-wins-2011-gt-awards-best-in-show/)
http://www.gtplanet.net/1969-chevrolet-camaro-wins-at-the-2010-gt-awards/ (http://www.gtplanet.net/1969-chevrolet-camaro-wins-at-the-2010-gt-awards/)
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Chrome they will be in GT 7 and GT 8! (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
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Chrome they will be in GT 7 and GT 8! (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)
So "soon"?... :jp
(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lmao01.gif)
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They are just asking a question. They haven't said that's what they are adding.
If they can do this M1, then they can also do a normal street version and the Pro version.
The fact they are asking means they are considering adding it.
And you have a point in that they can also do normal street version and the Pro version M1's, but BMW lacks the kind of support Nissan and Mazda have. I am under the impression that if this car makes the cut and does get developed for this game we will see the same kind of one off development we have seen demonstrated repeatedly in Gran Turismo with Cars like the GT-40, McClaren F-1 GTR, Vertigo Race Car, Lister V-12 and so on.
Curiosity killed the cat right so I should have learned something since I know the saying, but here it goes anyway. How much can something like this really "bother" someone? And why? It is still just a M1 underneath. And the game is light on some great driving Bimmers.
From where I'm sitting it looks like they are making the same mistakes over again. A thought process from the recent smurfs movie comes to mind here, they are giving us what we ask for and not what we want. Yeah, we ask for more cars...but why give us cars like this. To be honest I'd be happier if they took the lazy road and took a dozen or so race cars we already have and gave them a couple two, three unique liveries be they existing or not as opposed to one or two one off cars. I want more options not optionless cars.
This brings to mind an interesting little factoid. The fifteenth art car, we have an existing body render for it in GT-5. The fifteenth was painted on a BMW V-12 LMR...(Ironically, it literally says "Protect me from what I want" but still)
(http://en.bmw-art-cars.de/var/site/storage/images/bmw-art-cars/cars/jenny-holzer/15jholzer_2/1366-1-ger-DE/15JHolzer_2_ac_gallery_image.jpg)
So...Why the Warhol one and not this one, or then again a question I can assume the answer to, why just the Warhol one and not all 17 of them?
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The fact they are asking means they are considering adding it.
The Andy Warhol car is fairly recognisable, so it makes for a good single pick.
The GT team travels extensively and they get to visit lots museums and private collections, too. I have yet to see one car from any of these collections get picked for GT outside of the current, standard ways, such as at SEMA or Pebble Beach, so I wouldn't read too much into this, just yet, nor would I be surprised if it did end up in a GT.
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I guess instead of being mad that we are getting a car with a paint job I won't see when driving it in a driving game. I am looking at it and saying I would love to get serious seat time in a real M1 but at least this really good driving game is going to let me have a crack at it.
I am not some tree huggin' peace love cosmic karma kinda guy despite what my long hair might make you think at first. But in this case we are getting a BMW M1 a great drivers car and significant in the world of sports minded machinery. Why focus on the paint why not the car underneath the paint? The negativity just isn't worth it in my eyes when I see what we are getting.
On top of that is this speculation? Or if it is real how "soon"?
And I am I understanding this right you would rather have cars we already have in the game with different liveries than to bring in a totally new car and in this case a rather consenquential one in sports cars. From the drivers seat in a driving game the livery means nothing. In a game focused on showing vehicles my viewpoint might be different. But then again I probably would not be having this conversation as I would not buy that game I don't think.
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I guess instead of being mad that we are getting a car with a paint job I won't see when driving it in a driving game. I am looking at it and saying I would love to get serious seat time in a real M1 but at least this really good driving game is going to let me have a crack at it.
I am not some tree huggin' peace love cosmic karma kinda guy despite what my long hair might make you think at first. But in this case we are getting a BMW M1 a great drivers car and significant in the world of sports minded machinery. Why focus on the paint why not the car underneath the paint? The negativity just isn't worth it in my eyes when I see what we are getting.
On top of that is this speculation? Or if it is real how "soon"?
And I am I understanding this right you would rather have cars we already have in the game with different liveries than to bring in a totally new car and in this case a rather consenquential one in sports cars. From the drivers seat in a driving game the livery means nothing. In a game focused on showing vehicles my viewpoint might be different. But then again I probably would not be having this conversation as I would not buy that game I don't think.
It's one car. I think you are misunderstanding me here. It's not the M1, the paint job on it or new cars all together I am complaining about, It's PD incessant tenancy to give us a couple few new cars and making us wait for prolonged periods of time for them. Like Chrome mentioned, they are already behind on the development of two of the SEMA winners. If this car is developed I can imagine that we'll get it the same time we get those two pushing those two back further yet.
I understand the point of taking ones time getting it right but in the mean time peoples interest in the game is waning. I just fail to understand this tickle our anticipation for something that is months if not years away when they can give us a decent handful of temporary holdovers every so often wile we wait. I mean simple livery alteration could equate a handful of cars that has all the hard work done all ready, wile the dev team is doing all that hard work for the new stuff like this. It's just enough to get players to say Ohh, something new and/or different to play with.
There is also my complaint of PD's one offedness....Ok say we do get this. Do you believe this is going to bring in it's wake the street M1, I don't. Looking back on that note I have to ask where are these cars?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/2005_Gillet_Vertigo_fr3q.JPG/800px-2005_Gillet_Vertigo_fr3q.JPG)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/2007_Toyota_Camry_Sportivo_01.jpg/800px-2007_Toyota_Camry_Sportivo_01.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/2012_Chevrolet_Impala_--_NHTSA.jpg/800px-2012_Chevrolet_Impala_--_NHTSA.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/2010_Ford_Fusion_SEL_-_2.jpg/800px-2010_Ford_Fusion_SEL_-_2.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Panoz_Esperante_front_quarter.jpg/800px-Panoz_Esperante_front_quarter.jpg)
Just to name a few. Three of those five are road going versions of post release downloaded premium race cars, The other two are road going versions of standard race cars passed over in the past and subsequently again during development of GT5 in favor of more Skylines and Miatas. I suppose getting the street M1 is possible but I'm not keeping my hopes up.
Then again, it is PD we're dealing with. When asking them for things the old adage applies, put one hand out in front of you and the other under your ass and wait to see which one fills up first. Maybe I should say to hell with the whole god damn thing, Maybe I can get my cameras back out or something. Several thousand dollars of gear and potential income collecting dust wile I have been spending time with GT-5.
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for me new cars (if they are new and not another recycled Skyline or Miata) are kool. The livery editor to me is just like suits and skid lids......... another form of playing dress up.
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I'd kill for an M1. The Pro Car is the sexiest car of all time; it's been one of my favorite cars for years.
Check out this hotness and tell me you don't want to pilot it at the Ring.
Soundcheck BMW M1 auf der Nordschleife (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYHtKSv-iGk#ws)
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for me new cars (if they are new and not another recycled Skyline or Miata) are kool. The livery editor to me is just like suits and skid lids......... another form of playing dress up.
If it were just a livery editor then yes it wouldn't be much more than playing dress up, an idea I've had knocking around in my head for a while that I think I posted an early version of in the "Hey Kaz" thread would be to take it a step further in a way that I think would be more than a simple "dress up" concept.
Basically it's a "Create your own Race Mod" programme, take any car and convert it into an Amateur Touring / Cup Car by means of mechanics that are already in the game (e.g. front / rear downforce, better than Stage 3 weight reduction, etc) with a livery editor part to create our own basic race car liveries.
I guess it's still not much more than a "dress the street car up as a proper race car" idea but it could have mileage :), I also have a great idea for a track designer too. I really need to polish both of those ideas and post them somewhere lol.
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Wow in all that I am still failing to see what the precise problem is and it looks like new points are being brought in.
I would still be OK with the Warhol Group 4 M1 even if it wouldn't lead to other versions of the M1. And the thought that somehow different liveries are going to keep me satisfied is way off base for me personally. I bought the game for the driving give me a wider choice of actual cars that are drivers cars and I wouldn't give a shit if they are Mary Kay pink and not repaintable. BMW e90M3, Porsche 911 rsAmerica, Ferrari 250GTO or 288GTO or Daytona. The
Ist could go on and on but different liveries why bother?
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I'd kill for an M1. The Pro Car is the sexiest car of all time; it's been one of my favorite cars for years.
Check out this hotness and tell me you don't want to pilot it at the Ring.
Soundcheck BMW M1 auf der Nordschleife (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYHtKSv-iGk#ws)
Sounds great and it's a lot faster than old volvos.
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I'd kill for an M1. The Pro Car is the sexiest car of all time; it's been one of my favorite cars for years.
Check out this hotness and tell me you don't want to pilot it at the Ring.
Soundcheck BMW M1 auf der Nordschleife (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYHtKSv-iGk#ws)
I think you get what I am saying :-)
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I would drive the ever living shit out of a pink M1.
In fact, one of my favorite race cars is the old Porsche Pink Pig. As fugly as it was, it was remarkably beautiful. 8)
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Ronin are you saying you want the taurus, impalla and a camry added? :-\
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I would drive the ever living shit out of a pink M1.
In fact, one of my favorite race cars is the old Porsche Pink Pig. As fugly as it was, it was remarkably beautiful. 8)
Doesnt matter if we get just one livery of each significant drivers cars down through the ages. But give us the worthy cars. You hear me brothers can I get an amen!
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I'd kill for an M1. The Pro Car is the sexiest car of all time; it's been one of my favorite cars for years.
Check out this hotness and tell me you don't want to pilot it at the Ring.
Soundcheck BMW M1 auf der Nordschleife (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYHtKSv-iGk#ws)
Sounds great and it's a lot faster than old volvos.
I'm not sure I like your tone.
Some of us might like old Volvos. Some of us might really really really want a Volvo 262 or 242 GT.
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I once owned a Volvo 242... not the GT mind you. It had very comfy seats, perhaps the best car seat I ever warmed. I have nothing else positive to say about the '76 Volvo 242
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I don't think that NASCAR cars and their respective road cars are a good example. They have basically no similarities and both would have to be completely modelled separately with no overlap.
The biggest (of an awful lot) of problems that PD has this generation is the length of time that it takes them to model cars and tracks. This is a large reason for the standard cars and the length of time that PD took to make GT5. Turn 10 is producing lot after lot of DLC cars for Forza while PD is putting out small numbers of cars, many of which are race modded versions of cars already in the game. Part of the reason that PD takes so long is that they do all the modelling themselves and part is that they are very meticulous with how they do the modelling. Sure in the showroom, PDs cars look better than Forzas. Many of Forzas cars just don't look quite right. But on the track, I don't notice. People then get angry because work on one car means that their favourite car is probably going to be a ways away.
Personally, I'm not a huge car guy so I don't really care that certain cars are missing. What I do like about GT is that there is a large variety of types of cars that you can drive anything from karts, to rally cars, to normal cars to supercars, to touring cars to openwheel cars. Even funny cars like boats with wheels. I'm happy that PD is putting the effort in to release more tracks. ANY cars they see fit to add are welcome too.
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If the NASCAR comparison won't fly then trying to tie the Panoz race car we have in the game to their street car is no good either I don't believe they share much more than a name.
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If the NASCAR comparison won't fly then trying to tie the Panoz race car we have in the game to their street car is no good either I don't believe they share much more than a name.
You're right. The normal Esperante has ZERO in common with the GTR-1 other than the name. However, there are two Esperante GTR-1 Road Cars out there.
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I'm not going to say it's just a game. It's a hobby that people put a lot of time and money into. There are some things we have little to no control over though, so maybe we should be happy with what we have. There's no such thing as a perfect game. I think that paint job is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen, but I'm pretty sure it's a good car. On the other hand, sometimes people need to let out some steam and express displeasure. PD/Sony does weird shit, and it pisses people off.
:pill
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Also, NASCAR is a joke having teams/manufacturers call their cars by associated model names. As a curiosity, what series actually have race cars with chasis and engine closely resembling production cars? (This is a serious question - I'm a bit ignorant in that technical aspect)
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Also, NASCAR is a joke having teams/manufacturers call their cars by associated model names. As a curiosity, what series actually have race cars with chasis and engine closely resembling production cars? (This is a serious question - I'm a bit ignorant in that technical aspect)
Nascar is a joke, I've been saying for years, they should go back to running production cars with roll cages. I'd definitely watch that, and I'm sure a ton of other people would too.
As far as other racing having close to production cars, just about any of the road course stuff that gets televised. ALMS, Rolex Sports Car Series, Continental tire series. I'm sure there's a bunch of others.
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Also, NASCAR is a joke having teams/manufacturers call their cars by associated model names. As a curiosity, what series actually have race cars with chasis and engine closely resembling production cars? (This is a serious question - I'm a bit ignorant in that technical aspect)
I couldn't say for sure nowadays, but I always thought the cars in the British Touring Car Championship (BTCC) used to have cars that were much closer to their production car brothers and sisters (back in the 80s / 90s when I used to watch it). I couldn't say for sure how much they were altered (obviously they were converted to race cars so there was definitely some amount of modification) but I always thought the concept of the series was to use modified production cars rather than all identical prototype chassis / engine / body / etc.
Where as with the current Nascar or DTM (German Touring Car) cars that seem to be basically identical prototype chassis, body, engine and other mechanics with little more than decals and livery to identify the manufacturers, the BTCC cars used to be much more like the production cars. Perhaps more like Nascar used to be in the 60s and 70s when the cars at least looked like their non-race counterparts, unlike today.
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Also, NASCAR is a joke having teams/manufacturers call their cars by associated model names. As a curiosity, what series actually have race cars with chasis and engine closely resembling production cars? (This is a serious question - I'm a bit ignorant in that technical aspect)
Nascar is a joke, I've been saying for years, they should go back to running production cars with roll cages. I'd definitely watch that, and I'm sure a ton of other people would too.
As far as other racing having close to production cars, just about any of the road course stuff that gets televised. ALMS, Rolex Sports Car Series, Continental tire series. I'm sure there's a bunch of others.
I concur with Continental tire series. Someone at the planet has spec'd a bunch of cars for it too.
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5848123#post5848123 (http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5848123#post5848123)
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Also
http://www.grand-am.com/News/GARR101/EvolutionoftheGrandTouringCategory.aspx (http://www.grand-am.com/News/GARR101/EvolutionoftheGrandTouringCategory.aspx)
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I wouldn't say NASCAR is a joke, in itself, but the "National Association of Stock Auto Racing" is nothing about "stock" cars, so it's a farce of itself.
A new sport would have to be created to go back to stock now. Too much speed, too many chances to get hurt, too much money mean NASCAR won't change. I like what PD is doing supporting racing a stock car at the 24 hour race, but that is different.
As far as PD goes, they really need to add about 400 American and European player-wanted older cars in GT6, so that most of these complaints go away. And I don't say that lightly. They really do have some catching up to do, not with other sims, just with themselves. Sometimes I think they get in their own way.
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I just remembered an interview I seen with a crew chief for a Corvette team that runs in the ALMS saying, the race cars have the same engine as the street cars, but had to be de-tuned by 100hp to make them more even with the rest of their class. :o
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Also
http://www.grand-am.com/News/GARR101/EvolutionoftheGrandTouringCategory.aspx (http://www.grand-am.com/News/GARR101/EvolutionoftheGrandTouringCategory.aspx)
That and the Continental tire series is some of the best racing you'll ever see. They are not scared to put a fender on somebody, but are mostly pretty clean, just race hard.
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The Continental Tire Series is one of my faves right now.
And Turbo you're right PD does goofy shit. I started out trying to understand why someone would be bitching about adding anyy good drivers car with significance in history especially one we don't have in the game yet no matter how it was painted. Then my curiosity was extended to trying to understand wanting more of the same cars we already have with different paint over new cars. I wasn't getting angry and hopefully it did not appear I was angry in any way.
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Baked... don't fret, it's the home team here man. We understand that what may be construed as anger is only righteous indignation.... let it flow
I want an M1 it looks,drives and sounds awesome
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Wow, sounds like a Croonah "Bitch post" was deleted and the conversation continued on, (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
Seriously, PD hasn't done much for the game lately (o.k, except for the 4 Motegi tracks and the FR-S).
So any mention of a completely NEW car for the game is Welcome! I mean, haven't we had enough "GT ACADEMY" side dor sticker 370Z's and GT-R's in the game already. I don't know about you guys, but two of each was enough BEFORE the GT Academy challenge came out.
O.K., so some people don't like the paint job on the M1 - tough - live with it if it comes out. Those who will bitch about the paint job will probably be the first ones to drive it in the game ;)
Livery editors, while nice, ARE just Dress up. Most of us don't really give a shit about them. How about more wheel packages and some better aero kits and wings - like the wing on the Ferrari Enzo or the Lamborghini Aventador aero parts. Additionally, a better rated "downforce" for he bolt on wings and how about some downforce values on the front air dams and canards too, PD?
Getting excited over what hasn't even been talked about as a definite is speculation and rumor. Let's get the TWO SEMA Award winners in the game, then talk about the other carrots that PD has yet to commit to saying will even be in the game or a future generation of the game.
Lot of good info. came out of this discussion - Damn, I'm glad to be a TUNA!
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The Continental Tire Series is one of my faves right now.
And Turbo you're right PD does goofy shit. I started out trying to understand why someone would be bitching about adding anyy good drivers car with significance in history especially one we don't have in the game yet no matter how it was painted. Then my curiosity was extended to trying to understand wanting more of the same cars we already have with different paint over new cars. I wasn't getting angry and hopefully it did not appear I was angry in any way.
I did get upset. I can not understand why people are not only willing to, but fighting in favor of PD embarking on yet another new addition when the last additions are not even here yet and making us wait with little if anything to hold us over when there some albeit lazy things they can do quickly in the mean time.
The point I was trying to make:
1. PD needs to finish one project before starting another one or they need to manage their resources better and find more efficient ways to keep us the players happier for shorter periods of time more frequently wile they embark on their bigger multi-element projects.
I followed that with things they could be doing differently, quick and easy things they could do in just a couple few months for some temporary satisfaction along those lines.
2. Don't get your hopes up anticipating normal street version and the Pro version of the car.
I followed that up with some of PD's history.
If it is not a Japanese car, the chances of getting more models of the car be it alternate race versions or street versions are less than one in ten. Which yall blew completely out of context with this Nascar is a joke and not an appropriate example of my point shit. In fact the Nascar ones are the perfect example, they are no different than the Japanese Grand touring cars in the element they share with nothing more than general shape with their street counterparts. But yet, with the exception of the Diablo each and every JGTC car has it's street variant in the game be it good or bad. NSX, GT-R, SC-430, Supra, Garaiya, RX-7, MR-S, 3#0-Z, Impreza, Altezza/IS...they are all there.
Yes, we got tracks last week and one car. Sorry, but those tracks and that one car are not going to hold us over long enough for PD to finish the two SEMA cars let alone develop that car. That track is a lot like Laguna Seca in that wile people respect it, they hate it and are reluctant to drive it. I anticipate seeing this track a bit over the next couple weeks then it'll thin out and we'll see it about as much as we see Laguna Seca. Spa was a good decision to add, but we see how long the initial sparkle lasted. I do not believe Motegi will hold it's luster nearly as long despite four variations of the raceway. Then there is the car, We've already had it for several months, it just says Toyota on it.
Now, if they can do this with production cars, Why can they not do this with race cars? I don't give a damn how much significance the cars driver played in the world of racing. I want to see something different and that is my problem, I want to see something different three months from now, not eight, ten or twelve months from now. I am tired of seeing the same things over and over again.
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Honestly, Ronin, I look for opportunities to bash NASCAR. That's all I have to say about that.
Wait...one more thing...
:pill
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Seriously, PD hasn't done much for the game lately (o.k, except for the 4 Motegi tracks and the FR-S).
I really wouldn't call what you mentioned here 'much'. A track from GT4 and a rebadged car.
Attention everyone...Party in Tallstar's lounge when they Give us the Subaru BRZ and charge us $3.00 for two configurations of Infineon.
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I gotta admit that I think it really sucks when they charge us for content that resides on the disc we've already paid for... (i.e. Moteggi and I imagine Pikes Peak...)
>:(
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Give us the Subaru BRZ
I just saw one on the showroom floor the other day. Pretty shweet.
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I cannot understand why someone would get angry about possibly getting a new car in the game. Particularly one as impressive of a drivers car as the M1.
I cannot understand why anyone wants more of the same cars with different liveries what is the point in a game whose focus is driving. I don't care how easy it is for PD to knock these out if it is more than two minutes it is time wasted on their part. We have plenty of repeats already.
As for how long it takes for us to get something new to drive well I guess I will just need to see if somehow I can pacify myself with over one thousand vehicles already there for my amusement.
I started all of this with the thought looking at the positive side we might be getting a Group 4 M1. Then my curiosity carried me, go back reread I had a feeling this wouldn't go well but I was trying understand the different lines of logic. But I didn't ever think I was aggressive or angry.
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Ronin I don't care whether we get other versions of the M1. Don't know where that hangup came from.
And I never mentioned anything about who drove the car. I said it was a driver's car.
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Seriously, PD hasn't done much for the game lately (o.k, except for the 4 Motegi tracks and the FR-S).
I really wouldn't call what you mentioned here 'much'. A track from GT4 and a rebadged car.
Attention everyone...Party in Tallstar's lounge when they Give us the Subaru BRZ and charge us $3.00 for two configurations of Infineon.
MOST DEFINITELY! Iz jest luvz infineon! (yeah, it and seven others are on the disc). Nice, PD, REAL Nice!
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Which yall blew completely out of context with this Nascar is a joke and not an appropriate example of my point shit. In fact the Nascar ones are the perfect example, they are no different than the Japanese Grand touring cars in the element they share with nothing more than general shape with their street counterparts. But yet, with the exception of the Diablo each and every JGTC car has it's street variant in the game be it good or bad. NSX, GT-R, SC-430, Supra, Garaiya, RX-7, MR-S, 3#0-Z, Impreza, Altezza/IS...they are all there.
The nascar example is very much different then the Japanese grand touring cars. nascar cars are completely different than their street counterparts. They don't have a single frame/body component in common. The nascar cars may be shaped to resemble the street car but they are not exact and not the same part. They have to be modelled completely from scratch. The japanese touring cars do share some of the same body parts often just modified with extra aero parts. PD can then use the exact same model and modify it by adding aero parts or changing panels. This cuts the work down considerably.
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I gotta admit that I think it really sucks when they charge us for content that resides on the disc we've already paid for... (i.e. Moteggi and I imagine Pikes Peak...)
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Why do people think that the content is on the disc? The last update was big enough to contain a track and too big for what they said it included.
I wouldn't be surprised if there are extra tracks on the disc that were removed from the game at the last minute. I think that pd was planning on releasing some "standard" tracks but probably removed them from the game after getting so much flack over the standard cars. The motegi version we got is probably an updated version.
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PD can then use the exact same model and modify it by adding aero parts or changing panels. This cuts the work down considerably.
(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/icon_beuj-1.gif) Then why do we keep getting more non-race cars? :-\
Often which are Skylines or else revamped "twins" from other manufacturers. I have an idea for some "twins"... '64 Chevelle (very similar to it's Pontiac in-game counterpart) or a '67-69 Firebird (looks like Camaro with basically different grill and lights). Small block vs. BIG block I know, but PD has proven the ability to pull that off with the '69 Camaros and Vettes.
I'd personally just like more "movie" cars. Crown Victoria, Aston DB5, Gran Torino, Hummer, BMW 735i, Audi A8, etc...
And maybe it's because I collect Barbies - but I know I'd like a livery editor so I could play "dress up" with what we got already. Being able to show individuality is important to me...
(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/2cents.gif)
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PD can then use the exact same model and modify it by adding aero parts or changing panels. This cuts the work down considerably.
(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/icon_beuj-1.gif) Then why do we keep getting more non-race cars? :-\
Often which are Skylines or else revamped "twins" from other manufacturers. I have an idea for some "twins"... '64 Chevelle (very similar to it's Pontiac in-game counterpart) or a '67-69 Firebird (looks like Camaro with basically different grill and lights). Small block vs. BIG block I know, but PD has proven the ability to pull that off with the '69 Camaros and Vettes.
I'd personally just like more "movie" cars. Crown Victoria, Aston DB5, Gran Torino, Hummer, BMW 735i, Audi A8, etc...
And maybe it's because I collect Barbies - but I know I'd like a livery editor so I could play "dress up" with what we got already. Being able to show individuality is important to me...
(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/2cents.gif)
Sorry, I don't understand the question. Doing several similar models is another way to cut down on the work. Doing a new version of a car already in the game will often only involve minor changes to some of the panels. Not saying these changes are always or even usually trivially. They just take a lot less work then modelling a car from scratch. The TC cars are particularly bad because the aero addons don't even have to be accurate to a real life car.
All the duplicate cars and TC cars really have me concerned with how PD is doing their modelling. They really need to figure out how to model much quicker or they are going to be left in the dust.
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Oddly enough I would not mind as I think Feldynn has outlined a livery editor. But the thought of being fed more of the same car with different paint to keep me amused is not cool.
If we are to believe their(PD) intention is first and foremost the driving give us updates with priority set that way. Give us the drivers cars down through the ages from all price points and from all over the world. And tracks that reflect their real driving simulator motto that they have touted for all these years. Then focus on ancillaries.
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Which yall blew completely out of context with this Nascar is a joke and not an appropriate example of my point shit. In fact the Nascar ones are the perfect example, they are no different than the Japanese Grand touring cars in the element they share with nothing more than general shape with their street counterparts. But yet, with the exception of the Diablo each and every JGTC car has it's street variant in the game be it good or bad. NSX, GT-R, SC-430, Supra, Garaiya, RX-7, MR-S, 3#0-Z, Impreza, Altezza/IS...they are all there.
The nascar example is very much different then the Japanese grand touring cars. nascar cars are completely different than their street counterparts. They don't have a single frame/body component in common. The nascar cars may be shaped to resemble the street car but they are not exact and not the same part. They have to be modelled completely from scratch. The japanese touring cars do share some of the same body parts often just modified with extra aero parts. PD can then use the exact same model and modify it by adding aero parts or changing panels. This cuts the work down considerably.
With your response to charlie I can see that you got my point, so I have to ask. Does that argument hold up for the European rally cars, DTM cars and other non Japanese touring cars that also lack their production counterparts where the Japanese ones do have them?
Oddly enough I would not mind as I think Feldynn has outlined a livery editor. But the thought of being fed more of the same car with different paint to keep me amused is not cool.
If we are to believe their(PD) intention is first and foremost the driving give us updates with priority set that way. Give us the drivers cars down through the ages from all price points and from all over the world. And tracks that reflect their real driving simulator motto that they have toted for all these years. Then focus on ancillaries.
Some of us like some coffee with our cream. PD is putting too much priority on the cream and neglecting the coffee.
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Some of us like some coffee with our cream. PD is putting too much priority on the cream and neglecting the coffee.
Uhmmmmm, Ronin. I live in the same house as you, brother. The only time you touch the cream is to move it if it's in your way. :-\
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Some of us like some coffee with our cream. PD is putting too much priority on the cream and neglecting the coffee.
Uhmmmmm, Ronin. I live in the same house as you, brother. The only time you touch the cream is to move it if it's in your way. :-\
Well...I guess that might explain why I want the racing simulation element of the game to be cleaned up regardless of how they do it.
Kaz is a race driver, he made this game with the intent to share with the world what he enjoys, Driving and racing at the highest levels. That said, if this was purely a driving simulator we'd be doing 35mph around city streets and not pushing these cars to their limits on the tracks with other people. As a racing simulator it is reaching a point where it's just not making it. How often does any one here sit down and watch a televised race and actually see two or more drivers driving identical race cars?
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I agree with your last thought but I am not going to be happy with a BMW V12 LMR in 4 liveries I see through the paint its the same car. This is not good enough. Instead give me one M1 any model or one e30 M3. Quality and substance over quantity and flash.
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I agree with your last thought but I am not going to be happy with a BMW V12 LMR in 4 liveries I see through the paint its the same car. This is not good enough. Instead give me one M1 any model or one e30 M3. Quality and substance over quantity and flash.
Ok.
Where I have been going is that those cars that are not already in the game are months away. The M1 that started this discussion is literally still in the consideration stages, Can't say it's even reached development yet. It could be anywhere from eight to eighteen months away. I my self, I can't guarantee I'll still be playing GT5 thirteen months from now. I like to believe I will be, but my life is moving forward faster than Gran Turismo is. That said, wile I would like an M1, Porsche 911, Ferrari 250GTO and whatnot, I am not willing and/or may not be able to wait eighteen months for them. I need to be distracted with a little more than speculation and anticipation and I feel that correcting the clone wars is a good start in that effort that would not sacrifice their ability to develop new cars.
One make racing and/or spec racing that looks like this:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/battousaiofnphiles/GT4%20Pics/SuzukaCircuit_2.jpg)
is not good enough either.
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Why is one make racing so offensive?
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Why is one make racing so offensive?
It's my favorite kind of racing. Especially without tuning. 8)
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I think what Ronin meant was one make racing where we all have to use the exact same car with the exact same livery.
Brindle's "Mazda Roadster Tuna Cup" for example was still a one make race but of a better kind, sure we all used the same Roadster with the same basic spec but we did at least have some control over the look of the car so it didn't look quite so much like a herd of identical cars.
Similarly the old TuTu Team event we did for a couple of weeks a while back where we had Blue, Red, Yellow and Green teams, still the exact same car but the with at least the colour to show the teams / drivers apart.
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That is a minor detail in my book. There are enough times in the game where I have been a part of some spectacularly mixed fields where I can accept it( single marque) every now and again. The driving element is more important than how the field looks in a replay.
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Some of us like some coffee with our cream. PD is putting too much priority on the cream and neglecting the coffee.
Uhmmmmm, Ronin. I live in the same house as you, brother. The only time you touch the cream is to move it if it's in your way. :-\
Well...I guess that might explain why I want the racing simulation element of the game to be cleaned up regardless of how they do it.
Kaz is a race driver, he made this game with the intent to share with the world what he enjoys, Driving and racing at the highest levels. That said, if this was purely a driving simulator we'd be doing 35mph around city streets and not pushing these cars to their limits on the tracks with other people. As a racing simulator it is reaching a point where it's just not making it. How often does any one here sit down and watch a televised race and actually see two or more drivers driving identical race cars?
This last paragraph has illustrated our difference of opinion vividly for me. You feel as though the racing is somehow suffering because of the astethics of the field. For me appearence has no bearing on the potential quality of racing.
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Some of us like some coffee with our cream. PD is putting too much priority on the cream and neglecting the coffee.
Uhmmmmm, Ronin. I live in the same house as you, brother. The only time you touch the cream is to move it if it's in your way. :-\
Well...I guess that might explain why I want the racing simulation element of the game to be cleaned up regardless of how they do it.
Kaz is a race driver, he made this game with the intent to share with the world what he enjoys, Driving and racing at the highest levels. That said, if this was purely a driving simulator we'd be doing 35mph around city streets and not pushing these cars to their limits on the tracks with other people. As a racing simulator it is reaching a point where it's just not making it. How often does any one here sit down and watch a televised race and actually see two or more drivers driving identical race cars?
This last paragraph has illustrated our difference of opinion vividly for me. You feel as though the racing is somehow suffering because of the astethics of the field. For me appearence has no bearing on the potential quality of racing.
I like to think it's why we're all STILL here. We have a field of great cars, great racers and great friends.
Maybe we can paint over the Warhol and, if not just be thankful it doesn't look like a can of soup
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I hate to restate the obvious here, but PD has not actually said that they are adding the Andy Warhol car to GT yet.
All they did was ask a question. Whether it was an innocent question or not is open for debate, as well, but all I see, at this point, is a question.
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I hate to restate the obvious here, but PD has not actually said that they are adding the Andy Warhol car to GT yet.
All they did was ask a question. Whether it was an innocent question or not is open for debate, as well, but all I see, at this point, is a question.
Shhh!!! No being obvious, please!!! :-X
I am having way too much fun reading all this... :lolz
Who would've believed the thread has been going on for over a week already... Didn't anyone read last year's post about Kaz/PD/Sony/SEMA? We didn't get anything then either - except for innocent questions... (and lots of good reading...)
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One make racing and/or spec racing that looks like this:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/battousaiofnphiles/GT4%20Pics/SuzukaCircuit_2.jpg)
is not good enough either.
I think you see 5 indentical BMW's. While I see five cars in one frame with three of them going 3 wide into a turn which looks like good racing in my eyes.
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One make racing and/or spec racing that looks like this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/battousaiofnphiles/GT4%20Pics/SuzukaCircuit_2.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/battousaiofnphiles/GT4%20Pics/SuzukaCircuit_2.jpg)
is not good enough either.
I think you see 5 indentical BMW's. While I see five cars in one frame with three of them going 3 wide into a turn which looks like good racing in my eyes.
Yes, I do see five identical BMW's. A little added information, My car is the one in the middle of that three wide situation in the rain at Suzuka. I experienced that race and that very moment and I still maintain my position that it's not good enough.
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I think you see 5 indentical BMW's. While I see five cars in one frame with three of them going 3 wide into a turn which looks like good racing in my eyes.
Except the rain...rain sucks.
I have great respect for racers who excel in wet conditions, but I have no use for it.
Slightly back on topic...this thread is one of the reasons GT5 has problems...it tries to please everyone. While many people enjoy it, the majority will suggest it needs improvement.
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We both agree it is a driving/racing simulator. But in your pic the racing is not suffering. Maybe looks wise a more varied field would be more interesting to see.
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I hate to restate the obvious here, but PD has not actually said that they are adding the Andy Warhol car to GT yet.
All they did was ask a question. Whether it was an innocent question or not is open for debate, as well, but all I see, at this point, is a question.
I realize this I even stated back on page one when I was trying to understand all the negativity about this car that is was just speculation by PD. For my part in this thread I was trying to understand someone's viewpoint who seems to be much different than my own. Maybe share my viewpoint after the discussion was going. I certainly did not realize it was going to be a big deal to anyone.
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I need to be distracted with a little more than speculation and anticipation....wrote by ronin ..this the prob. w/ the hole world ...everbody..wants distracted. wants to bee entertained . we have real probs in the world people and this is not one of them .. please next topic fuck me