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Gran Turismo => General Gran Turismo => Topic started by: LooneyTuna on March 05, 2012, 08:02:38 AM
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When you are more than a lap down should you let everyone by or give them a challenge? I usually put up as much of a fight as I can and then let them by if they are still riding my bumper for a lap or so.
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When you are more than a lap down should you let everyone by or give them a challenge? I usually put up as much of a fight as I can and then let them by if they are still riding my bumper for a lap or so.
Several determining factors. Starting with are they alone or racing for position with someone if the latter is the case I try to give a wide berth. Am I a lap down due to lack of speed or was there an incident that put me back there? Is it a points race or drop in? Sometimes if there is enough time to contemplate such things maybe even thinking back on the way this racer has ran me and others as well :-)
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If I'm a lap down, with no chance of getting it back, I put up no fight whatsoever. The last thing I want to do is ruin a guy's race, when I have no chance.
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If I'm a lap down, with no chance of getting it back, I put up no fight whatsoever. The last thing I want to do is ruin a guy's race, when I have no chance.
:stoopid:
If it's just for fun and the guy on my bumper is alone then I may make them earn the pass. It just depends on the circumstances and my mood. If it's for points or they have the 2th place car on their bumper, I move aside and let them battle it out. I know, if the positions were reversed I would like the same courtesy. Nothing worse than having your race affected by a lapped car who's feeling racy.
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If I'm a lap down, with no chance of getting it back, I put up no fight whatsoever. The last thing I want to do is ruin a guy's race, when I have no chance.
That is always my concern. However, I can't get any better at racing with people if I always step aside. But like Baked said, I'll let the race situation dictate what happens.
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If I'm a lap down, with no chance of getting it back, I put up no fight whatsoever. The last thing I want to do is ruin a guy's race, when I have no chance.
:stoopid:
If it's just for fun and the guy on my bumper is alone then I may make them earn the pass. It just depends on the circumstances and my mood. If it's for points or they have the 2th place car on their bumper, I move aside and let them battle it out. I know, if the positions were reversed I would like the same courtesy. Nothing worse than having your race affected by a lapped car who's feeling racy.
:stoopid:
I was thinking points racing, but yeah, if it's just racing for fun, I might try to mix it up a little.
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The way I look at it, When all cars are equal, Lead lap cars have line priority. As long as you are on the lead lap you are free to battle including battle to stay on the lead lap. Once overtaken by the leader one should yield to lead lap cars.
With multi class racing, the lesser class cars have line priority meaning the faster cars have to go around the lesser cars. Same as it was in Brindles series.
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Almost no matter what the circumstance, if you are being lapped (whether you are on the lead lap or not), you should not be making defensive moves to put up a challenge. You shouldn't be taking defensive lines in corners. You shouldn't be changing lines on straightaways. The rest probably depends on the situation. In most situations you should give up position easier. For instance, if the other driver gains sufficient overlap before a corner, you should give up the corner rather than going in side by side. Always drive predictably. Doing something drastic to let someone pass can do more harm than good. If you are obviously slower than the person behind you it shouldn't take much to let them pass.
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Depends...
If it's Fried, I'll make him work for it.
If it's anyone else, I'll let them by.
(http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
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Can't answer that, I've never been off the pace. I'm sure it's going to happen one of these days, so I'm reading all the posts so I can know how to handle it, but up til now, it's not something I'd have to deal with. :laugh
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Wanted to be clear I would not take a defensive line as a lapped car but this does not mean I will piull over either. Very gray area with several unique circumstances probably nearly every time it happens. Tough to give a text book answer.
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Can't answer that, I've never been off the pace. I'm sure it's going to happen one of these days, so I'm reading all the posts so I can know how to handle it, but up til now, it's not something I'd have to deal with. :laugh
Couldn't resist. ^^^^
I got lapped in the most recent enduro at the 4-letter. In my second race, I raced like Brindle did the first time I saw him on the track. I was down a minute after 6 laps in a race where lap times were roughly 1:40 and I had 54 laps to go.
Late in the race, I saw the leader in my mirror a few seconds behind (or actually, a lot of seconds ahead). I really, really, really didn't want to get lapped, just for the sake of pride. He got closer and closer (it was the chubby guy from Indiana who went to Silverstone) and the closer he got, the faster I went. I put up my fastest laps with him behind me.
Eventually, he caught up and when he did, I lifted before a turn so he could have the line and not interrupt his rhythm. I flipped him the bird as he passed and I'm sure he returned the favor.
I don't think guys need to roll over when being overtaken, but at the same time, I've seen bozos dive bomb into turns to keep their spot and stay on the lead lap. If I'm getting my ass handed to me, I've got no problem getting out of the way.
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:-\ I'm almost always off the pace...
If i see one person I try to give them room - this doesn't always work out as expected. on friday i moved over to give Feldynn room right as he moved over to pass me. ouch! sorry Feldynn...
If a group is coming I try to get off the track. I don't wish to mess up anyone's race - but will settle for only messing up my own.
I don't mind being lapped. I'm accustomed to it in long races. Now I take solace in the fact that, except for a track or two, it takes folks a few more laps to lap me than it used to.
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:-\ I'm almost always off the pace...
If i see one person I try to give them room - this doesn't always work out as expected. on friday i moved over to give Feldynn room right as he moved over to pass me. ouch! sorry Feldynn...
If a group is coming I try to get off the track. I don't wish to mess up anyone's race - but will settle for only messing up my own.
I don't mind being lapped. I'm accustomed to it in long races. Now I take solace in the fact that, except for a track or two, it takes folks a few more laps to lap me than it used to.
I think you're spending too much time working on the forum and not enough time behind the wheel.
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Almost no matter what the circumstance, if you are being lapped (whether you are on the lead lap or not), you should not be making defensive moves to put up a challenge. You shouldn't be taking defensive lines in corners. You shouldn't be changing lines on straightaways. The rest probably depends on the situation. In most situations you should give up position easier. For instance, if the other driver gains sufficient overlap before a corner, you should give up the corner rather than going in side by side. Always drive predictably. Doing something drastic to let someone pass can do more harm than good. If you are obviously slower than the person behind you it shouldn't take much to let them pass.
This is what I will do and expect from others. I never, ever expect anyone to move out of the way, but they should not be fighting for the position either. Also, never move over to let someone by. 99% of the time, the following driver is already planning a move around you, so moving from your line only hinders the effort.
This is actually what I had to do in the Cape Ring race on a few occasions when it WAS for actual track position. The other car had sufficient overpass, so I let off slightly early to give up the line and fall in right behind. I lost nothing in the exchange and it helps keep the pace up between battling drivers.
Oh and Wizard... :hifu
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If i see one person I try to give them room - this doesn't always work out as expected. on friday i moved over to give Feldynn room right as he moved over to pass me. ouch! sorry Feldynn...
Hmm, I think I need a memory upgrade because I don't remember that at all Charlie, either that or it was a laughable moment so we just brushed it off and continued :).. either way, no harm no foul in my book!
Also the way I think about it is this, I will usually yield to the faster driver when it comes to being lapped though there are some caveats and situations similar to those others have mentioned. If I see the lapper is in a good position to make a pass I'll try to give up a corner (even if I had the "right of way") or back off a touch on a straight to make sure it's clean and drama free.
If I'm damaged or low on tires (or even fresh out of the pits on cold tires) I try to make a big deal of getting out of the way as soon as possible since my driving style is usually erratic at the best of times, nevermind running with damage or odd tires :).
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I try to give the pass when the leader is in position to pass. I will give up position/line sooner if I'm being lapped. Never take a defensive line when being lapped. If being lapped and I see a car pulling out for a pass, I give a free pass. I don't want to go two wide with a car that's lapping me. There's no reason for it. The sooner he passes me, the sooner I can do my own thing, without thinking about when he's going to pass me.
The only time I challenge a lapping car is if it's a purely recreational/non-competitive race, he has a decent lead, and I have good pace. I'll only pass a leading car when I'm lapped if I have consistent or noticeable pace advantage, or he had an incident.
Like most, I try not to screw up anyone's race.
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Now I take solace in the fact that, except for a track or two, it takes folks a few more laps to lap me than it used to.
I think you're spending too much time working on the forum and not enough time behind the wheel.
Slightly off topic but I just wanted to point out Charlie's epic improvement at the Laguna Seca endurance last week, more time behind the wheel (in the form of 200 miles of track time) definitely paid off IMO.. by the end of the race Charlie was running laps a good 10 seconds faster than at the start if I remember correctly and in a car that's not the easiest to control either.
Three cheers for Charlie! Or at least a fist bump, pat on the back.. or maybe a pat on the head since there's a widgerdidger for that somewhere :). Goos jorb mang!
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I get very annoyed when people flat pull over and let me by, be they being lapped or even for position. That is not any fun. If you just know that you're going to knock in to the guy coming around you, then yeah, give him room. Otherwise, I prefer if you just went on racing normally (if you're being lapped, don't be defensive, but don't alter your normal racing line either). If whoever is behind you is truly faster, they'll find a way by. Just don't get flustered and wreck everyone.
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(if you're being lapped, don't be defensive, but don't alter your normal racing line either). If whoever is behind you is truly faster, they'll find a way by. Just don't get flustered and wreck everyone.
Unless I am creating an unfair advantage for any battling cars right behind me, that about sums up my philosophy.
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(if you're being lapped, don't be defensive, but don't alter your normal racing line either). If whoever is behind you is truly faster, they'll find a way by. Just don't get flustered and wreck everyone.
Unless I am creating an unfair advantage for any battling cars right behind me, that about sums up my philosophy.
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When you are more than a lap down should you let everyone by or give them a challenge? I usually put up as much of a fight as I can and then let them by if they are still riding my bumper for a lap or so.
i take note of the lapper coming up behind me and I use that as incentive to hold them off as long as possible, but only until they are within reach of passing me. When they are close enough that I could cause them issues, I let them by.
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I just don't care..............
*crickets*
Just kidding. Actually there's a bit of truth in all of your posts. Problem is just weeding it out, LOL. The real way to do it is to Drive your OWN race, If the potential exists where someone is overtaking, stay on your line and when they have the advantage, let them pass. Don't play games with other people's races. If you're not driving well enough or fast enough, then let the others by. This is a racing GAME, and should be treated as such. If you start to take it seriously, you need to find some other form of release. :o (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/facepalmsmiley.gif)
I look at it this way: I'm glad to be alive and in the company of such a great group of people.
Long Line Tunas! >-)))>
And for those who disagree with that philosophy, well I guess I should be nice and say: "If you disagree with this then (http://i.imgur.com/llaVyX9.gif) and have a nice day" (Nasty note to follow)
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I like what I'm seeing posted in here, and agree with most if not all of it :angel: