I've seen, and probably occassionally guilty of not following this rule. Getting taken out of contention is really frustrating, made even worse if the offending party keeps on trucking.
It can be frustrating or baffling when a driver(s) pull over bacause they're not in contention for the lead or top few spots. There's more fun to be had than winning. Someone mentioned this in the Sucka Free Sunday thread. Sharing the track with friends is fun, win or otherwise...getting around the track fast and smooth makes it More fun.
That said, it's true that sometimes situations can be very frustrating. Whether there was a fluke accident, dumb driving, or just poor pace because of skill, car choice/setup, fatigue, whatever, there are times when going around the track isn't fun. When you're not enjoying driving, it can make the driving even uglier.
Second, if you're following someone and you know a braking zone is coming up how about giving the guy in front of you a brake, literally. Not everyone enters the brake zone in the same way and it is the responsibility of the trailing driver to avoid contact even if the leading driver brakes early or for longer. I'm sure I’m not the only one who would appreciate a little patience at certain times on the track.
Second, if you're following someone and you know a braking zone is coming up how about giving the guy in front of you a brake, literally. Not everyone enters the brake zone in the same way and it is the responsibility of the trailing driver to avoid contact even if the leading driver brakes early or for longer. I'm sure I’m not the only one who would appreciate a little patience at certain times on the track.
I have not read all of the post yet so I may have more to say later but I want to add to this now. This very practice got me into trouble during the Monaco GT 500 race. I was letting off the gas to provide additional braking room for Brindle who was behind Wizard when the car behind me got into the back of me to bring out a caution. The further back in the field you are early in the race should equate to getting off the gas earlier and allowing the people infront of you to give the next guy forward that ability to give some room.
Maybe just stagger with the person in front of you. At least then you can drive off course by yourself and not affect the driver in front or back if things get out of hand.
The second race, I was attacked by a rabid Wombat! Coming out of turn 3 Feldynn ran wide and got in the dirt and while trying to bring it back on track blew me clean off. Wombats have a vicious bite! To be fair, I don't think anyone could have prevented that car from coming back on the track. It was a fight the rest of the race and finished midpack.
First, if you go off track, make sure you are clear before you just come be bopping back on. Once you go off track, you forfeit positions until the track is clear. Too many times I have seen or been victim of a guy going off track and then knocking someone else off while they just absentmindedly reenter the track.
Maybe just stagger with the person in front of you. At least then you can drive off course by yourself and not affect the driver in front or back if things get out of hand.Second, if you're following someone and you know a braking zone is coming up how about giving the guy in front of you a brake, literally. Not everyone enters the brake zone in the same way and it is the responsibility of the trailing driver to avoid contact even if the leading driver brakes early or for longer. I'm sure I’m not the only one who would appreciate a little patience at certain times on the track.
I have not read all of the post yet so I may have more to say later but I want to add to this now. This very practice got me into trouble during the Monaco GT 500 race. I was letting off the gas to provide additional braking room for Brindle who was behind Wizard when the car behind me got into the back of me to bring out a caution. The further back in the field you are early in the race should equate to getting off the gas earlier and allowing the people infront of you to give the next guy forward that ability to give some room.
Another difficulty in this is the blind spots, most notably early in the race I have a consern about stepping out of line. I'm afraid there some one is in my blind spot and moving over would pinch them off the raceway, nine times out of ten there is some one there.
The second race, I was attacked by a rabid Wombat! Coming out of turn 3 Feldynn ran wide and got in the dirt and while trying to bring it back on track blew me clean off. Wombats have a vicious bite! To be fair, I don't think anyone could have prevented that car from coming back on the track. It was a fight the rest of the race and finished midpack.
Ahh sorry about that Sniper :(, I knew I'd hit someone and put them off but in amongst all the smoke, dust, spinning around and general failure to control on my part I didn't see who it was. My apologies.QuoteFirst, if you go off track, make sure you are clear before you just come be bopping back on. Once you go off track, you forfeit positions until the track is clear. Too many times I have seen or been victim of a guy going off track and then knocking someone else off while they just absentmindedly reenter the track.
This is something I think I'm probably guilty of more than most right now, in the fight to control the car I sometimes forget to check the map or look around enough. A large part of that is likely because I'm still a noob to a degree, at least compared to you guys who have been racing online since Prologue and probably in other games too, so I just don't have the experience and seat time racing with other people and some general race etiquette isn't second nature to me yet.
Another difficulty in this is the blind spots, most notably early in the race I have a consern about stepping out of line. I'm afraid there some one is in my blind spot and moving over would pinch them off the raceway, nine times out of ten there is some one there.
What blind spots? Look to the side before you move over. Then you know if someone is there or not. You should do you best to know where everyone is around you.
Whether you use the step out option or give space or whatever, it is the following cars responsibility NOT to hit the car in front. On a previous race I commented about hitting Turbo more than once. He replied something about him not knowing the braking points. Doesn't matter, the contact was still my fault.
This brings up another comment. I've noticed an increase in people sticking their nose where it doesn't belong in corners. If you are not able to get almost complete overlap before the braking zone, ANY contact in the corner is your fault.
To be clear, my above comments have little to do with my frustration last night which was mostly due to my driving.
Another difficulty in this is the blind spots, most notably early in the race I have a consern about stepping out of line. I'm afraid there some one is in my blind spot and moving over would pinch them off the raceway, nine times out of ten there is some one there.
What blind spots? Look to the side before you move over. Then you know if someone is there or not. You should do you best to know where everyone is around you.
Whether you use the step out option or give space or whatever, it is the following cars responsibility NOT to hit the car in front. On a previous race I commented about hitting Turbo more than once. He replied something about him not knowing the braking points. Doesn't matter, the contact was still my fault.
This brings up another comment. I've noticed an increase in people sticking their nose where it doesn't belong in corners. If you are not able to get almost complete overlap before the braking zone, ANY contact in the corner is your fault.
To be clear, my above comments have little to do with my frustration last night which was mostly due to my driving.
Another difficulty in this is the blind spots, most notably early in the race I have a consern about stepping out of line. I'm afraid there some one is in my blind spot and moving over would pinch them off the raceway, nine times out of ten there is some one there.
What blind spots? Look to the side before you move over. Then you know if someone is there or not. You should do you best to know where everyone is around you.
Whether you use the step out option or give space or whatever, it is the following cars responsibility NOT to hit the car in front. On a previous race I commented about hitting Turbo more than once. He replied something about him not knowing the braking points. Doesn't matter, the contact was still my fault.
This brings up another comment. I've noticed an increase in people sticking their nose where it doesn't belong in corners. If you are not able to get almost complete overlap before the braking zone, ANY contact in the corner is your fault.
To be clear, my above comments have little to do with my frustration last night which was mostly due to my driving.
I under stand your point but keep in mind, I am working with a DS3 controller, my button configuration requires both hands, removing my hand to use the look side to side causes major problems at current. it's almost garenteed for me to mis the turn in or the braking point when trying to look to the side.
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Another difficulty in this is the blind spots, most notably early in the race I have a consern about stepping out of line. I'm afraid there some one is in my blind spot and moving over would pinch them off the raceway, nine times out of ten there is some one there.
What blind spots? Look to the side before you move over. Then you know if someone is there or not. You should do you best to know where everyone is around you.
Whether you use the step out option or give space or whatever, it is the following cars responsibility NOT to hit the car in front. On a previous race I commented about hitting Turbo more than once. He replied something about him not knowing the braking points. Doesn't matter, the contact was still my fault.
This brings up another comment. I've noticed an increase in people sticking their nose where it doesn't belong in corners. If you are not able to get almost complete overlap before the braking zone, ANY contact in the corner is your fault.
To be clear, my above comments have little to do with my frustration last night which was mostly due to my driving.
I under stand your point but keep in mind, I am working with a DS3 controller, my button configuration requires both hands, removing my hand to use the look side to side causes major problems at current. it's almost garenteed for me to mis the turn in or the braking point when trying to look to the side.
Don't blame the controller, I'm using the same thing, AND manual trans, and still I'm able to look around. :P
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Another difficulty in this is the blind spots, most notably early in the race I have a consern about stepping out of line. I'm afraid there some one is in my blind spot and moving over would pinch them off the raceway, nine times out of ten there is some one there.
What blind spots? Look to the side before you move over. Then you know if someone is there or not. You should do you best to know where everyone is around you.
Whether you use the step out option or give space or whatever, it is the following cars responsibility NOT to hit the car in front. On a previous race I commented about hitting Turbo more than once. He replied something about him not knowing the braking points. Doesn't matter, the contact was still my fault.
This brings up another comment. I've noticed an increase in people sticking their nose where it doesn't belong in corners. If you are not able to get almost complete overlap before the braking zone, ANY contact in the corner is your fault.
To be clear, my above comments have little to do with my frustration last night which was mostly due to my driving.
I under stand your point but keep in mind, I am working with a DS3 controller, my button configuration requires both hands, removing my hand to use the look side to side causes major problems at current. it's almost garenteed for me to mis the turn in or the braking point when trying to look to the side.
Don't blame the controller, I'm using the same thing, AND manual trans, and still I'm able to look around. :P
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All in all the simple fact is we all drive differently and we all share the same track and have to adapt the best that we can to each others behavior. Not to mention keep in mind that the same issues we have with some of these tracks are the same issues that the professionals have with their real world counterparts. Perhaps we all need to step back and remember that its just a race. We win, we lose, accidents are going to happen and none of it matters so we should all just have fun and each do our best to minimize accidents.
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Another difficulty in this is the blind spots, most notably early in the race I have a consern about stepping out of line. I'm afraid there some one is in my blind spot and moving over would pinch them off the raceway, nine times out of ten there is some one there.
What blind spots? Look to the side before you move over. Then you know if someone is there or not. You should do you best to know where everyone is around you.
Whether you use the step out option or give space or whatever, it is the following cars responsibility NOT to hit the car in front. On a previous race I commented about hitting Turbo more than once. He replied something about him not knowing the braking points. Doesn't matter, the contact was still my fault.
This brings up another comment. I've noticed an increase in people sticking their nose where it doesn't belong in corners. If you are not able to get almost complete overlap before the braking zone, ANY contact in the corner is your fault.
To be clear, my above comments have little to do with my frustration last night which was mostly due to my driving.
I under stand your point but keep in mind, I am working with a DS3 controller, my button configuration requires both hands, removing my hand to use the look side to side causes major problems at current. it's almost garenteed for me to mis the turn in or the braking point when trying to look to the side.
Don't blame the controller, I'm using the same thing, AND manual trans, and still I'm able to look around. :P
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This brings up another point of etiquette that many miss. When people do go off track, especially minor off track excursons the drivers coming up on to the car thet went off track are supposed to give room for the driver who went off to re enter. I can't tell howmany times I have been trying to re enter the track and other drivers are taking my mirrors off when they have not only twenty feet of roadway but ample time to move over there. When you see someone is off track, move over and give them some room to get back on. You run less chance of getting collected and turning a minor inncodent into a major wreck and the other guy will apprieciate the chance to get back into the race.
This brings up another point of etiquette that many miss. When people do go off track, especially minor off track excursons the drivers coming up on to the car thet went off track are supposed to give room for the driver who went off to re enter. I can't tell howmany times I have been trying to re enter the track and other drivers are taking my mirrors off when they have not only twenty feet of roadway but ample time to move over there. When you see someone is off track, move over and give them some room to get back on. You run less chance of getting collected and turning a minor inncodent into a major wreck and the other guy will apprieciate the chance to get back into the race.
I disagree. You don't reenter unless it's clear. Why should a driver who didn't go off have to give you room to reenter. Granted, if there is room, I try to make room, but I don't have to. You go off, you pay the price.
steering - left analog
gas/brake - right analog
shift down/up - L2/R2
Look left/right - L1/R1 this is very important, allows you to quickly check your blind spots with a tap of a button
Look back - L3, you might accidentally steer at first, but you'll get used to it.
Handbrake - X, you may need it if you understeer way into a corner.
That leaves the d-pad and triangle, square etc buttons as horn/wipers etc.
Why do so many people insist on going full-out at the start of the race?
Why do so many people insist on going full-out at the start of the race?
This may be because when you start way in the back it may be your only chance to get up front. If you hang back the leaders are screaming ahead without any traffic while you wait for something that may or may not happen and fall further behind. If you are towards the front there is also less chance of getting caught up in "the big one" as well. I don't condone overly aggressive driving at the start, you still have to be smart about it, but if/when the opportunity presents itself I will try to take it with clean driving top priority. Like Wizard, I hate to cause accidents and usually don't try this maneuver to prevent possible issues.
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sorry, I know I often break too early, it's cuz I'm paranoid about running into someone
I will make every attempt to give you some room, but not at the expense of my racing line, my speed or upsetting the attitude of my car.
I have wrecked my damn self because people entered when they shouldn't have.
Brake too early = Lose 0.2 seconds
Brake too late, and wait for the person you put in the kitty litter = Lose 20 seconds.
See what you started Looney. (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)
See what you started Looney. (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)
A button setup discussion? (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)
I reread it. I think some should as well.
Where has courtesy gone?
I know other racing organizations have changed how they do things. In the TPRA and a few other organizations, you do not pull over after you launch someone off the track. They continue on with repercussions dealt with after the race. That rule doesn't apply to 99% of our races.
We are the TUNAS. We have different rules. We pull over if we knock someone off (most of us). We wait for the track to clear before entering, we are polite and respectful to our fellow racers. We used to put a priority on FUN OVER WINNING. That doesn't seem the case sometimes. It's, "I gotta get to the front no matter the cost" mentality that is poking its head in more and more and I don't understand what has changed to get here.
One last request. Please, please, please keep chatter to a minimum during a race. It is really rude holding a conversation with someone, just randomly talking, or informing us of what just happened to you on track, like dropping a tire in the grass and wiping out. Racers need to communicate with other racers (you are clear or sorry for the bump, etc.) Racers also like to hear car noise- tire squeal, shift points, engine noise. They cant do it or its difficult to do because the air is filled with conversation. Talk until you are blue in the face between races, but please, keep it down during the race.
OK, my rant is over.
Courtesy Police :)
I reread it. I think some should as well.
Where has courtesy gone?
I know other racing organizations have changed how they do things. In the TPRA and a few other organizations, you do not pull over after you launch someone off the track. They continue on with repercussions dealt with after the race. That rule doesn't apply to 99% of our races.
We are the TUNAS. We have different rules. We pull over if we knock someone off (most of us). We wait for the track to clear before entering, we are polite and respectful to our fellow racers. We used to put a priority on FUN OVER WINNING. That doesn't seem the case sometimes. It's, "I gotta get to the front no matter the cost" mentality that is poking its head in more and more and I don't understand what has changed to get here.
One last request. Please, please, please keep chatter to a minimum during a race. It is really rude holding a conversation with someone, just randomly talking, or informing us of what just happened to you on track, like dropping a tire in the grass and wiping out. Racers need to communicate with other racers (you are clear or sorry for the bump, etc.) Racers also like to hear car noise- tire squeal, shift points, engine noise. They cant do it or its difficult to do because the air is filled with conversation. Talk until you are blue in the face between races, but please, keep it down during the race.
OK, my rant is over.
Courtesy Police :)
I don't mind the extra finish time and I actually need it sometimes. And yes I enjoy racing to the end no matter what place I'm in. If I manage to finish near the front that just gives me time to mix another drink. :)
I don't mind the extra finish time and I actually need it sometimes. And yes I enjoy racing to the end no matter what place I'm in. If I manage to finish near the front that just gives me time to mix another drink. :)
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Sadly, I have to agree, as I am usually that 8rd place person. :(
I don't mind the extra finish time and I actually need it sometimes. And yes I enjoy racing to the end no matter what place I'm in. If I manage to finish near the front that just gives me time to mix another drink. :)
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Sadly, I have to agree, as I am usually that 8rd place person. :(
Boston, I saw you sniffing the lead pack's butt a couple times in one race at Grand Valley.
I still vote to make the timer thingy less, no more than minute.
During last week's 90s japanese race, it was clear turbo was going to win, and I was feeling bummed at first. Then I realized, hey, this guy is just faster than me and I need to hold 2nd or that would be even worse. I held it and found a silver lining in the fact that I obtained my best lap of all during the end of the race.
I don't mind the extra finish time and I actually need it sometimes. And yes I enjoy racing to the end no matter what place I'm in. If I manage to finish near the front that just gives me time to mix another drink. :)
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Sadly, I have to agree, as I am usually that 8rd place person. :(
Boston, I saw you sniffing the lead pack's butt a couple times in one race at Grand Valley.
I still vote to make the timer thingy less, no more than minute.
i'm of the opinion that it should match the length of the race. shorter races certainly don't need 3:00 to finish. Or that is, if someone does require 3:00 to finish, they do not have the privilege of keeping everyone else just sitting there waiting for them.
In a 30+ lap race, however, I feel that 3:00 is good. I can forsee some races where having more than 3:00 to finish would be good as well, such as those where we t ry to simulate a 24hr race in a couple hours.
Proportionate to race length is all I ask...
Yes, I agree that the racers who quit and are parked in the grass are not very polite with the timer manners. They should exit to the menu screen to wait it out.
I think a minute to a minute to a minute and a half is fair.
MHO
Yes, I agree that the racers who quit and are parked in the grass are not very polite with the timer manners. They should exit to the menu screen to wait it out.
I think a minute to a minute to a minute and a half is fair.
MHO
I like the minute to a minute and a half. I think the most we usually use is 2 minutes though. It comes down to parked people and Ricks ADD. :) Except for Charlies Midnight Show most evnets are run in a lounge and this finish time can be changed by anyone.