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Gran Turismo => General Gran Turismo => Topic started by: UCanTuna on April 05, 2011, 01:32:45 PM
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A couple of threads I've been following today made me think of this.
In a recent note from Spec, he related how he and the other GTA participants would run some warmup races prior to their official runs. He said they would put very hard tires on the cars (S1's or S2's, I think) in order to get a feel for the car, the track, and the physics of the game.
We all know the stickier the tire the faster you can go. And we all like to go fast so we usually load up R tires. R3's whenever we can get away with it. Lately, I've taken to running warmup laps in a new car on S2's or S3's. (I just can't bring myself to try and race on S1's, but it's coming.) It makes me focus on braking and throttle control and I work on improving my laps times just like I would if I were on R tires. Once I'm done fiddling with the car, I'll load up R1's or R2's and head back out. It's amazing how much better the car feels and I quickly learn where I can brake later or get back on the gas harder.
Sometimes I have a lot of trouble completing a lap on S2's without a major spin, but I stick with it. Since we've not organized any TT's I'm thinking of starting up a bench thread. Have folks post up their best times on a list of selected tracks (the ones we run most) but require the cars be run on S2's. Maybe allow two times... one on S2's and one on the tire of your choice. I used to refer to clacksman's bench thread often to get an idea of expected times in a given car on a given track.
Spec insists it helped him and believes it would help us too. Anyone interested?
Tracks to be considered:
1. HSR
2. DayTuna or Indy? (1 vote Indy)
3. DayTuna Road Course
4. Suzuka
5. Madrid
6. Monza (chicane'd)
7. Deep Forest
8. Le Sarthe
9.One of the Cape Ring iterations
10. The godforsaken hell known as the NincompoopRing.
11. Eiger
12. Rome
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Yes? The little smilie in the third road wants to add something? :)
I'll take that as a "yes".
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Anyone interested?
YES!!!
I've been waiting for this for a long time, ucan. I consider myself a Time Trialer at heart.
:yay
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Sounds like fun. I liked running the new Lambo events on sport soft tires. Couldn't get used to the sport hard so I think I've been spoiled with the Aspardinks on the racing softs.
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Started a list of tracks to be considered. Trying to be representative of various layouts. Would like to limit it to 10 tracks.
I suppose the NuclearboogerRing should be considered but I haven't added it yet.
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Take another look, UC. They ran some races on Comfort softs...N3s if I remember right.
I don't want to commandeer this thread, but I want to expand on and endorse what UC is promoting. Spec was in the Saturday night event this past weekend and noted that another driver (won't mention his name, but I think of the Bruins when I see his name) and I were bitching about the difference in physics between online and offline play. One of the things I noted was that this mystery driver and I do most of our racing offline and when it comes to online, we're helpless on the track. Another thing I noted was the guys saying there was no difference did most of their racing online. Clacksman has since validated this theory that if you only race online, you have no idea how different the physics are.
Anyway, I'm almost to the point of the mystery driver in hanging up my racing shoes because I'm so awful on the track and the fun has just been taken out of the game. Knowing that I have a 7-year old and thus, have no life I've decided to go back to what first helped me out three years ago...running time trials.
Without starting yet another jihad, the 4-letter will be doing some more time trials in the near future. I've purposely neglected to mention it here because since GT5 came out there has been little interest and to be honest, I'm at the point where I don't care which organization does what anymore. I'm going wherever something is offered that interests me and if it pisses off anyone, it’s not my problem.
So, while I’m not suggesting everyone run to the 4-letter for their time trials, I am proposing that if you’re currently struggling and want to improve, the 4-letter can probably help you. It’s still a work in progress, but I believe lots of user-created tracks will be offered. We’ll start with some piece of shit and work our way up.
Having said all that, I too would like to see a bench thread at this site like what Clacks used to do. I also used it, to see whether I’d be racing or drinking beer on a given racing night.
I have no doubts that at either place, there will be plenty of communication between the guys that know what they’re doing and those that don’t. One thing I’ve noticed over the years is that the fast guys are very comfortable sharing information.
It would seem if something so trivial can help Spec win a trip to England, it ought to be able to help some of us from ditching our hobby.
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Started a list of tracks to be considered. Trying to be representative of various layouts. Would like to limit it to 10 tracks.
I suppose the NuclearboogerRing should be considered but I haven't added it yet.
I consider Nurburgring a very good TT track. Better than actually racing there. Done quite a bit of practice on it and just love driving around it. Try to get a few laps in everyday. ;)
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I suppose the NuclearboogerRing should be considered
It should be mandatory! ;D
I've always been a huge fan of Deep Forest as a TT track as well. I'd love to see it added.
Have you given any thought as to how the TT's would be set up? Completely stock in arcade mode? Certain PP? Certain power/weight ratio? Completely open tuning with the exception of tires?
Also, I'd be more than happy to help in any way I can. Let me know if there is anything I can do. :)
Edit: Also, also, it seems that Rick's interest (and others, I'm sure) in TT's is to get better for online racing. Should the TT's be run online then? Maybe we could even have something like a TT night? Just spitballing here. :-\
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A good one to start with would be the GT-R at the Nurburgring in arcade mode on Sport Hard Tires. There is a trophy if you can beat the real life time. I'm not usually into trophies but I'm slowly working on the GT5 ones.
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i have always liked the TT"s good fun ...and very good tips mr U / spec thanks
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I wring all me new purchases out at the Top Gear Test Track (after all, it does have the words "Test Track" in the name)... and I do it on STOCK tires... which can get interesting to say the least
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Take another look, UC.
While I was typing my post a little voice kept saying, "You sure it was S tires?" I wasn't, but I went with it. I never let the facts get in the way of a good story. :) I remember Spec kept referring to "plastic" tires.
I have not formulated any plans in my head to run any Time Trials, although we had a great time with those as Prologue wound down. For the bench thread, in order to standardize everything I may suggest post your best lap on S1's and your best lap on R1's. And practice all you can on N tires. :)
All of that is open for suggestion.
also... added NBR to the rota. :)
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Time trials were on S2 (sports medium now) and TT's are a great for learning tracks and cars and generally improving.
I find right now all my time is consumed by left over single player and online, so I probably won't have much time for a TT although I will not say no to running a few laps.
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One problem running them in arcade mode, aren't the physics offline different than online, if it's meant as practice for the online, then this wouldn't be the way to go. Plus, may I suggest going with the SH (S1)/SM (S2) tires, with or without the R tires time. That's what GT5P had and it would make it completely universal. Of course you could do the R's as a comparison, to really see the lap time difference. Tunes were always the same way, as nothing could be changed except the tires where you could use S2's or less.
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One problem running them in arcade mode, aren't the physics are different than online, if it's meant as practice for the online, then this wouldn't be the way to go. Plus, may I suggest going with the SH (S1)/SM (S2) tires, with or without the R tires time. That's what GT5P had and it would make it completely universal. Of course you could do the R's as a comparison, to really see the lap time difference. Tunes were always the same way, as nothing could be changed except the tires where you could use S2's or less.
this^
Also, sorry, but I think the turdherdering is a bad TT course. Too long and technical. One mistake can ruin over 7 minutes of practice. Also, Any oval is a bad TT course, just because. I may not have time to run TT, but there's my opinion anyway. What sucks is that online free run in lobbies doesn't have ghost replays (I think). However, if physics are really different, doing an offline (Practice or Arcade) TT is bad, according to me. Carry on.
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For what it's worth, all time trials run at the other place will be done in everyone's My Lounge so the ridicuphysics can be eliminated. Plus that way user-created tracks can be used.
And yes, my whole purpose of the time trials is to improve; but that's just how I roll. I don't expect everyone to see things like I do. Actually, I don't expect anyone to see things like I do. :P
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For what it's worth, all time trials run at the other place will be done in everyone's My Lounge so the ridicuphysics can be eliminated. Plus that way user-created tracks can be used.
And yes, my whole purpose of the time trials is to improve; but that's just how I roll. I don't expect everyone to see things like I do. Actually, I don't expect anyone to see things like I do. :P
I'm convinced that not everyone's lounges are the same. Brindle's lounge is consistently faster than mine. I'm also not sure that arcade and practice physics are different than online besides preventing rollover. It appears to me that the only differences are that there is no tire wear, tires start off warmer, and the cars run with an empty tank of gas (no fuel weight).
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Actually, I don't expect anyone to see things like I do. :P
I've been know to wear beer goggles
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Okay... keep in mind this is intended as a bench thread idea and not a time trial per se. Nobody has to sign up. Nobody's expected to turn in times for all the tracks. Just note your best times at any of the tracks we finally come up with and post it. I'll try to keep up with an OP that makes sense.
I'm liking the ideas that are coming out of this:
1. Run on S1's or S2's for consistency. (We'll have to decide.) This will also help improve car control.
2. Do your practicing in an online lounge. (Apparently Brindle's is fastest.) :)
3. Cars should be run on their stock setups with custom suspension and gearing. Again, for consistency so we can compare apples to apples. I'm willing to allow folks to improve their suspension and gear for each track.
4. It would be optional to report alternate times on R1's. While not required, I'd like to see a lot of comparison times early on. It won't take us long to figure out the tire difference is worth 8, 10, or however many seconds. (Seems like in Prologue we just ran whatever we liked.)
IIRC, guys used to post [F] Free run, [C] Clean air, and [D] Draft times. A typical entry looked like:
UCan- NBR Nordschleife, '07 GT-R, S1's, 7:51.929 [F] 7:55.100 [C] 7:39.208 [D]
Keep thinking.
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Clacksman's thread was based on the handful of events we were given in Prologue, which were generally based on PP. I think it would be wise to also include PP for future apples to apples comparisons.
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Clacksman's thread was based on the handful of events we were given in Prologue, which were generally based on PP. I think it would be wise to also include PP for future apples to apples comparisons.
That's right! I had forgotten that. Every month, we only had 4 or 5 events to choose from. We should include PP data as well, but I'm finding it inconsistent at best. Your 500PP car might be way faster than my 500PP car. No matter. It can be included with the car and should be repeatable.
For example: '07 GT-R 439hp/1300kg/519PP
Damn... GT5 made this harder to do than it used to be.
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One problem running them in arcade mode, aren't the physics are different than online, if it's meant as practice for the online, then this wouldn't be the way to go. Plus, may I suggest going with the SH (S1)/SM (S2) tires, with or without the R tires time. That's what GT5P had and it would make it completely universal. Of course you could do the R's as a comparison, to really see the lap time difference. Tunes were always the same way, as nothing could be changed except the tires where you could use S2's or less.
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Also, sorry, but I think the turdherdering is a bad TT course. Too long and technical. One mistake can ruin over 7 minutes of practice. Also, Any oval is a bad TT course, just because. I may not have time to run TT, but there's my opinion anyway. What sucks is that online free run in lobbies doesn't have ghost replays (I think). However, if physics are really different, doing an offline (Practice or Arcade) TT is bad, according to me. Carry on.
:D Ok Turbo, this is getting scary ... This agreeing with me stuff is a little disturbing (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif) :)
The reasons for doing TT's at Nurburg are exactly the reasons you said we shouldn't. It takes focus and patients to get a clean lap in. (Unless your Gar of course) Anyone can opt out of whatever TT they don't like.
Will we be running more than one concurrently or only one weekly or bi-weekly? For that matter, we could do it like clack's Bench racing thread... any track, any time and post your best or like Ricks pick a car/track combo and run with it for a week, hell we could even do a mix of the two, Pick a car and run it on any track you want and post it up.
Policing this will be problematic, as you said, no online ghost replays, though you can go into race mode and do laps and save the entire replay. Kind of cumbersome to do, especially if you set it at say 20 laps, then watch the replay to be sure your best lap was "clean"
Damn, to do this correctly, we need online ghost replays and a penalty system in our lounges to red out obviously bad laps.
It falls back to the honor system, 99.9% I would 100% trust, but there always seems to be one or two that for whatever reasons cheat, though in the end game, they are only cheating themselves.
Anybody with any workarounds for this? Hello... anybody??
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Clacksman's thread was based on the handful of events we were given in Prologue, which were generally based on PP. I think it would be wise to also include PP for future apples to apples comparisons.
That's right! I had forgotten that. Every month, we only had 4 or 5 events to choose from. We should include PP data as well, but I'm finding it inconsistent at best. Your 500PP car might be way faster than my 500PP car. No matter. It can be included with the car and should be repeatable.
For example: '07 GT-R 439hp/1300kg/519PP
Damn... GT5 made this harder to do than it used to be.
(http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif) This could become quite involved...
clack's thread compared cars to one another, but also the same car. There would be a listing for any car that was ran and submitted. It makes a great comparison between cars set at a certain PP, but it also let the same car have it's own best time.
Ok...
Pick a PP lvl... then any track any car and post it up... could be so many as to make it a full time job.
Pick a PP lvl... Pick a car(s) and limit it to them for a certain time period... on any track ... easier, but still that could be lots of data to mess with.
Pick a PP lvl... Pick a track(s) and run any car... still very involved or could be.
Pick a PP lvl... car(s) and track(s)... keeps it limited and more easily workable
Other things...
In GT5P these things were also limited to kinds of drives... FF, FR, 4WD... How to work that in is another question.
We could do this with the picking car(s) scenarios and limited number of tracks to keep it manageable.
It could be setup like in GT5P... a certain kind of car at one track say 4WD at Trial Mountain at 550pp and then also
have FR's at Indy Road at 600pp. Do as many as we think can be handled without overload. We could do 2 or 3 concurrently even more if it proves easy enough to do.
:hah-r We have become the lever pulling monkeys ^-^
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(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/icon_hah.gif) We have become the lever pulling monkeys ^-^
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I didn't sign up for this. :)
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Can't you just compete with your own times?
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Someone mentioned going to Brindle's lounge because it was faster. On that note, I think this discussion brings a new aspect to Time Trials/practice/bench thread that is way better than GT5P. A bunch of guys can go to someone's lounge and do free run together. They can compare times, tunes, cars, whatever, whether they're running the same carr or not, it can be good times. Some have been doing this for a while, jumping into someone's lounge who is just practicing or testing a car. It usually ends up in a friendly race, but it doesn't have to. I enjoy seeing other people's cars and seeing what they can get out of them.
Thanks to guys who host free runs and spot races. Good times.
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Can't you just compete with your own times?
Yes. Essentially, that's all your doing. Posting up your best time(s) in a particular car on a particular track. It gets compared to other drivers, but there's no competition going on. I always used the bench thread as a reference to figure what a serviceable lap time was on a given track. Often, I didn't even have to turn a lap. I'd just go look at clacksman's time and add two seconds. :) This was in Prologue. Some guy named Jasher and I used to go back and forth in Loti trying to beat each others times but I always came out with the short end of the stick on that one. :)
I'm leaning toward simplify, simplify, simplify. What are the drivetrains we have? FF, FR, MR and AWD? Isn't that it? Now, I'm thinking we could designate two tracks per drivetrain each month, and a set PP to run at. Just thinking out loud.
Again, it's a case of the game being so vast. If we all just ran cars willy nilly at any track it would produce so much data it would be hard to make any sense of it.
This might be a way to sniff out the PP problem. We've all learned that cars with the same PP might turn completely different lap times. Say we're all running FR cars at 500PP on DRC and everyone is turning laps somewhere near 1'41.xxx. Suddenly someone drags out a sleeper like the Oullim Spirra (I just bought one) and it turns a 1'32.xxx. We'd have us a new go-to car. :)
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A bunch of guys can go to someone's lounge and do free run together. They can compare times, tunes, cars, whatever, whether they're running the same carr or not, it can be good times.
Well, there you go. And you can post up your best lap time in the bench thread, or not. Practicing in Brindle's lounge eliminates the draft would create some consistency, and he does an awfully nice buffet on Sundays.
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Can't you just compete with your own times?
Yes. Essentially, that's all your doing. Posting up your best time(s) in a particular car on a particular track. It gets compared to other drivers, but there's no competition going on. I always used the bench thread as a reference to figure what a serviceable lap time was on a given track. Often, I didn't even have to turn a lap. I'd just go look at clacksman's time and add two seconds. :) This was in Prologue. Some guy named Jasher and I used to go back and forth in Loti trying to beat each others times but I always came out with the short end of the stick on that one. :)
I'm leaning toward simplify, simplify, simplify. What are the drivetrains we have? FF, FR, MR and AWD? Isn't that it? Now, I'm thinking we could designate two tracks per drivetrain each month, and a set PP to run at. Just thinking out loud.
Again, it's a case of the game being so vast. If we all just ran cars willy nilly at any track it would produce so much data it would be hard to make any sense of it.
This might be a way to sniff out the PP problem. We've all learned that cars with the same PP might turn completely different lap times. Say we're all running FR cars at 500PP on DRC and everyone is turning laps somewhere near 1'41.xxx. Suddenly someone drags out a sleeper like the Oullim Spirra (I just bought one) and it turns a 1'32.xxx. We'd have us a new go-to car. :)
(http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif) Yeah, that Jasher guy could turn a good lap at HSR and Daytona, but I've heard at the other tracks... well not so much. :D
Suzuka being the worse... He could never come within 4 or 5 sec. of the fast guys there. Damn, I wonder what ever happened to that guy? (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
You and Jasher use to do that with several different cars, he once told me it was the friendly competition that made it so much fun. :swing2
:police: Talking in the 3nd person... the mark of royalty and crazies everywhere... :laugh:
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Someone mentioned going to Brindle's lounge because it was faster.
So much for quiet time in my lounge. ^-^ I may have to agree with my lounge being quicker. I have set up a tune for a specific track and note my lap times. When I visits some one elses lounge, I tend to be almost as much as a second slower. I can never seem to match my other lounge times again.
Who knows whats going on... This is PD we're talkin' bout.
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Someone mentioned going to Brindle's lounge because it was faster.
So much for quiet time in my lounge. ^-^ I may have to agree with my lounge being quicker. I have set up a tune for a specific track and note my lap times. When I visits some one elses lounge, I tend to be almost as much as a second slower. I can never seem to match my other lounge times again.
Who knows whats going on... This is PD we're talkin' bout.
What Lounge settings do you use? If I remember there's Race quality and Voice quality settings. I have what was recommended. I think both of mine are in the middle. I'll check tonight.
I know my tires stay cold a lot longer in my lounge than in others.
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Hmmm. Never paid much attention to what my times are compared to other lounges. I set the Van up with high quality for both the racing and chat. The Van has standards. 8)
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The Van has standards. 8)
Even if you don't.
This variance in lap times from one lounge to the next is new to me. I haven't thought to check it. I don't understand how there could be a difference. But then... I don't understand how gravity works either.
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Someone mentioned going to Brindle's lounge because it was faster.
So much for quiet time in my lounge. ^-^ I may have to agree with my lounge being quicker. I have set up a tune for a specific track and note my lap times. When I visits some one elses lounge, I tend to be almost as much as a second slower. I can never seem to match my other lounge times again.
Who knows whats going on... This is PD we're talkin' bout.
My lounge is pretty damn fast and stickey too, I can run 1:20's and 1:21's in my BTR at Seca but I'm lucky to pull 1:23's and 1:24's just about anywhere else. Innocently there are only a few lounges where I can run that car on sports tires, yours and mine among them. Additionally...there are a few lounges I'm starting to avoid driving that BTR in because the polar opposite holds true where the R3's literally feel and behave like comfort soft.
Those of you who don't drive in the open lounges with me may not realize how much of a statement it is for me, to shy away from that BTR. Suffice it to say, there are already two people who are offering me a new one if they come across one from a prize card just because I drive it so much.
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Someone mentioned going to Brindle's lounge because it was faster.
So much for quiet time in my lounge. ^-^ I may have to agree with my lounge being quicker. I have set up a tune for a specific track and note my lap times. When I visits some one elses lounge, I tend to be almost as much as a second slower. I can never seem to match my other lounge times again.
Who knows whats going on... This is PD we're talkin' bout.
My lounge is pretty damn fast and stickey too, I can run 1:20's and 1:21's in my BTR at Seca but I'm lucky to pull 1:23's and 1:24's just about anywhere else. Innocently there are only a few lounges where I can run that car on sports tires, yours and mine among them. Additionally...there are a few lounges I'm starting to avoid driving that BTR in because the polar opposite holds true where the R3's literally feel and behave like comfort soft.
Those of you who don't drive in the open lounges with me may not realize how much of a statement it is for me, to shy away from that BTR. Suffice it to say, there are already two people who are offering me a new one if they come across one from a prize card just because I drive it so much.
Which ones?
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Someone mentioned going to Brindle's lounge because it was faster.
So much for quiet time in my lounge. ^-^ I may have to agree with my lounge being quicker. I have set up a tune for a specific track and note my lap times. When I visits some one elses lounge, I tend to be almost as much as a second slower. I can never seem to match my other lounge times again.
Who knows whats going on... This is PD we're talkin' bout.
My lounge is pretty damn fast and stickey too, I can run 1:20's and 1:21's in my BTR at Seca but I'm lucky to pull 1:23's and 1:24's just about anywhere else. Innocently there are only a few lounges where I can run that car on sports tires, yours and mine among them. Additionally...there are a few lounges I'm starting to avoid driving that BTR in because the polar opposite holds true where the R3's literally feel and behave like comfort soft.
Those of you who don't drive in the open lounges with me may not realize how much of a statement it is for me, to shy away from that BTR. Suffice it to say, there are already two people who are offering me a new one if they come across one from a prize card just because I drive it so much.
Which ones?
I avoid my own, because once 6 or7 people get in it, I get booted, and can't get back in. :'(
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Someone mentioned going to Brindle's lounge because it was faster.
So much for quiet time in my lounge. ^-^ I may have to agree with my lounge being quicker. I have set up a tune for a specific track and note my lap times. When I visits some one elses lounge, I tend to be almost as much as a second slower. I can never seem to match my other lounge times again.
Who knows whats going on... This is PD we're talkin' bout.
My lounge is pretty damn fast and stickey too, I can run 1:20's and 1:21's in my BTR at Seca but I'm lucky to pull 1:23's and 1:24's just about anywhere else. Innocently there are only a few lounges where I can run that car on sports tires, yours and mine among them. Additionally...there are a few lounges I'm starting to avoid driving that BTR in because the polar opposite holds true where the R3's literally feel and behave like comfort soft.
Those of you who don't drive in the open lounges with me may not realize how much of a statement it is for me, to shy away from that BTR. Suffice it to say, there are already two people who are offering me a new one if they come across one from a prize card just because I drive it so much.
Which ones?
I'm not avoiding the lounge all together, just driving my BTR in them, but to name a few, Mystic's rooms and lounge I'm going to discontinue driving that car after a couple incidents yesterday, That car does not hold the track properly in Rodeo's lounge either, I likely won't be pulling it out there anytime soon....Who's lounge was I in the other night testing the the MX-5 on DRC...all of a sudden now that you ask I can't recollect the name.
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I avoid my own, because once 6 or7 people get in it, I get booted, and can't get back in. :'(
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I avoid my own, because once 6 or7 people get in it, I get booted, and can't get back in. :'(
(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g40/rbillingsley72/Misc/Locked_Out-1.jpg)
:lmao
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This made me laugh. :)
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This made me laugh. :)
This^
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Going back and rereading the posts I cought something this time I hadn't before. I like the concept of doing this in teams/groups. Having others in the lobby spectating they can confirm and/or remind/deny cleanlyness of a participant. Additionally it would be easier to log the times using the live timing moniter provided in spactator mode. Another means of negating some potentiel lack of trust is have times for individuals posted by the spectator. Say Brindle and I got together in his lounge and ran at MRLS, the TT time post would go something like this...
Ronin - Ruf BTR 500PP(S1) - 1:26.845 - Ruf BTR 500PP(R1) - 1:22.992[/IMG]
Brindle - Ruf BTR 500PP(S1) - 1:23.938 Ruf BTR 500PP(R1) - 1:21.384[/IMG]
Thoughts?
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Going back and rereading the posts I cought something this time I hadn't before. I like the concept of doing this in teams/groups. Having others in the lobby spectating they can confirm and/or remind/deny cleanlyness of a participant. Additionally it would be easier to log the times using the live timing moniter provided in spactator mode. Another means of negating some potentiel lack of trust is have times for individuals posted by the spectator. Say Brindle and I got together in his lounge and ran at MRLS, the TT time post would go something like this...
Ronin - Ruf BTR 500PP(S1) - 1:26.845 - Ruf BTR 500PP(R1) - 1:22.992[/IMG]
Brindle - Ruf BTR 500PP(S1) - 1:23.938 Ruf BTR 500PP(R1) - 1:21.384[/IMG]
Thoughts?
Ah good you can be our official spectator and keep us inline.
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Going back and rereading the posts I cought something this time I hadn't before. I like the concept of doing this in teams/groups. Having others in the lobby spectating they can confirm and/or remind/deny cleanlyness of a participant. Additionally it would be easier to log the times using the live timing moniter provided in spactator mode. Another means of negating some potentiel lack of trust is have times for individuals posted by the spectator. Say Brindle and I got together in his lounge and ran at MRLS, the TT time post would go something like this...
Ronin - Ruf BTR 500PP(S1) - 1:26.845 - Ruf BTR 500PP(R1) - 1:22.992[/IMG]
Brindle - Ruf BTR 500PP(S1) - 1:23.938 Ruf BTR 500PP(R1) - 1:21.384[/IMG]
Thoughts?
The only problem is that (at least for me) when your doing a bit of TT'ing it's usually a whenever moment. Your out there, nothing better to do, so you go out and do some hot laps. The way you guys are pointing this, it'll become another organized event, instead of just some time killing. I really do TT's when the mood strikes and have a little time to burn. The plus side would be the confirmation of times as that seems to be a pretty big stumbling block, unless we have 100% honesty from 100% of the people involved or at least something approaching the 100% mark.
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Going back and rereading the posts I cought something this time I hadn't before. I like the concept of doing this in teams/groups. Having others in the lobby spectating they can confirm and/or remind/deny cleanlyness of a participant. Additionally it would be easier to log the times using the live timing moniter provided in spactator mode. Another means of negating some potentiel lack of trust is have times for individuals posted by the spectator. Say Brindle and I got together in his lounge and ran at MRLS, the TT time post would go something like this...
Ronin - Ruf BTR 500PP(S1) - 1:26.845 - Ruf BTR 500PP(R1) - 1:22.992[/IMG]
Brindle - Ruf BTR 500PP(S1) - 1:23.938 Ruf BTR 500PP(R1) - 1:21.384[/IMG]
Thoughts?
Ah good you can be our official spectator and keep us inline.
(http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz58/JasherX/Animated%20Pics/1A%20Temp/17-08-04_46135_1.jpg)
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Going back and rereading the posts I cought something this time I hadn't before. I like the concept of doing this in teams/groups. Having others in the lobby spectating they can confirm and/or remind/deny cleanlyness of a participant. Additionally it would be easier to log the times using the live timing moniter provided in spactator mode. Another means of negating some potentiel lack of trust is have times for individuals posted by the spectator. Say Brindle and I got together in his lounge and ran at MRLS, the TT time post would go something like this...
Ronin - Ruf BTR 500PP(S1) - 1:26.845 - Ruf BTR 500PP(R1) - 1:22.992[/IMG]
Brindle - Ruf BTR 500PP(S1) - 1:23.938 Ruf BTR 500PP(R1) - 1:21.384[/IMG]
Thoughts?
The only problem is that (at least for me) when your doing a bit of TT'ing it's usually a whenever moment. Your out there, nothing better to do, so you go out and do some hot laps. The way you guys are pointing this, it'll become another organized event, instead of just some time killing. I really do TT's when the mood strikes and have a little time to burn. The plus side would be the confirmation of times as that seems to be a pretty big stumbling block, unless we have 100% honesty from 100% of the people involved or at least something approaching the 100% mark.
Not trying to be rude here but, by that logic it sounds like when you are sitting there in a room with one other person waiting for other people to show up you would much rather run one on one races until other people start showing? I can't say howmany times I have sat in a room with one or two other people, wanting to race but not wanting to start one because there are only two or three cars in the mix. We usually just end up running laps and bullshitting over the comm untill people show up. It just feels like a perfect two birds one stoner moment.
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I thought TT's were done whenever like Infiniti said. This is getting too organized,having people confirm your time. I trust everyone here 100%. What would be the point of cheating anyway
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Going back and rereading the posts I cought something this time I hadn't before. I like the concept of doing this in teams/groups. Having others in the lobby spectating they can confirm and/or remind/deny cleanlyness of a participant. Additionally it would be easier to log the times using the live timing moniter provided in spactator mode. Another means of negating some potentiel lack of trust is have times for individuals posted by the spectator. Say Brindle and I got together in his lounge and ran at MRLS, the TT time post would go something like this...
Ronin - Ruf BTR 500PP(S1) - 1:26.845 - Ruf BTR 500PP(R1) - 1:22.992[/IMG]
Brindle - Ruf BTR 500PP(S1) - 1:23.938 Ruf BTR 500PP(R1) - 1:21.384[/IMG]
Thoughts?
The only problem is that (at least for me) when your doing a bit of TT'ing it's usually a whenever moment. Your out there, nothing better to do, so you go out and do some hot laps. The way you guys are pointing this, it'll become another organized event, instead of just some time killing. I really do TT's when the mood strikes and have a little time to burn. The plus side would be the confirmation of times as that seems to be a pretty big stumbling block, unless we have 100% honesty from 100% of the people involved or at least something approaching the 100% mark.
Not trying to be rude here but, by that logic it sounds like when you are sitting there in a room with one other person waiting for other people to show up you would much rather run one on one races until other people start showing? I can't say howmany times I have sat in a room with one or two other people, wanting to race but not wanting to start one because there are only two or three cars in the mix. We usually just end up running laps and bullshitting over the comm untill people show up. It just feels like a perfect two birds one stoner moment.
No doubt it would work in that scenario, but you still just couldn't get out there on the spur of the moment and do some hot laps Ala GT5P. Your assuming that what you described above will always be the case, while it will happen and quite often, some of us (ahem, I work overnights) like to do some practice/hot laps when others are just not around. You see I know what you say is partly correct Ronin, give the same, instead of being dismissive like you seem to be doing. :-X
:off2bed I work tonight
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:stoopid: (Turbo's post)
I have no problem with trusting this group. My gt300 series comes to mind. All drivers should be on stock motor parts at stock hp, but thats not to say any one can't put on the mods and up the hp to just under the room limit of 345hp. Highest in the group would be 337hp. I trust every racing in the series to be honest in the setup.
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No doubt it would work in that scenario, but you still just couldn't get out there on the spur of the moment and do some hot laps Ala GT5P. Your assuming that what you described above will always be the case, while it will happen and quite often, some of us (ahem, I work overnights) like to do some practice/hot laps when others are just not around. You see I know what you say is partly correct Ronin, give the same, instead of being dismissive like you seem to be doing. :-X
(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/getsomesleep.gif) I work tonight
I too work over night, third shift FTW.
Sorry if I came off as dismissive, that was not the intention at all. I was just trying to include spotenuity element in the concept as it's not entirely thought out yet.
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:stoopid: (Turbo's post)
I have no problem with trusting this group. My gt300 series comes to mind. All drivers should be on stock motor parts at stock hp, but thats not to say any one can't put on the mods and up the hp to just under the room limit of 345hp. Highest in the group would be 337hp. I trust every racing in the series to be honest in the setup.
Thinking about this and your right... We really don't need everyone to be policed every lap. We do have a great bunch of guys and have known them since the early GT5P days. Maybe someone would cheat, oh well, in the end they are really only kidding and cheating themselves. One bad apple wouldn't spoil this bunch... Oh that was bad .. I'm :-[ for saying it... but it stays in. :D
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Thoughts? Here's a thought, why are you insistent on making things more difficult than they need to be? It's time trialing not moving terrorist suspects from Guantanamo Bay. You run a time and post it. If someone is dishonest about their time, big whoopty do. That's on them. Time trialing isn't for bragging rights, it's for measuring improvement of one's self on the track. So if a driver lies about a time, they are only lying to themselves.
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It seems each time PD gives us something, they take a little something away. Currently, we're lacking any security measures regarding the validity of any times that will be submitted. However, most of the guys on this forum have known and raced with each other about a billion times in the last few years. I trust 95% of the guys here to run laps as dictated by the rules and the other 5% probably suck enough that we likely don't have to worry about their times meaning much.
I've spoken with Clacksman about running concurrent time trials, but the participation over there hasn't been enough to warrant a second time trial. If there is enough interest, I think multiple time trials are a good idea since what I'm looking for isn't necessarily what other guys are looking for.
If given the opportunity, I would prefer to start with a shitty car on a relatively uneventful track, as I'm interested in improving my mostly lacking skills. Other guys might be interested in the trash talk provided by running something faster on a track with a little more meat to it.
Validating times would be great, but it doesn't even concern me with this group.
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Thoughts? Here's a thought, why are you insistent on making things more difficult than they need to be? It's time trialing not moving terrorist suspects from Guantanamo Bay. You run a time and post it. If someone is dishonest about their time, big whoopty do. That's on them. Time trialing isn't for bragging rights, it's for measuring improvement of one's self on the track. So if a driver lies about a time, they are only lying to themselves.
You must not remember some of the banter that takes place after times are updated. :laugh:
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Thoughts? Here's a thought, why are you insistent on making things more difficult than they need to be? It's time trialing not moving terrorist suspects from Guantanamo Bay. You run a time and post it. If someone is dishonest about their time, big whoopty do. That's on them. Time trialing isn't for bragging rights, it's for measuring improvement of one's self on the track. So if a driver lies about a time, they are only lying to themselves.
Because, I did not think it was that friggen complicated. If honesty about times is of no concern then why did it even come up? Why is every thought I post met with such hostility?
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Thoughts? Here's a thought, why are you insistent on making things more difficult than they need to be? It's time trialing not moving terrorist suspects from Guantanamo Bay. You run a time and post it. If someone is dishonest about their time, big whoopty do. That's on them. Time trialing isn't for bragging rights, it's for measuring improvement of one's self on the track. So if a driver lies about a time, they are only lying to themselves.
Because, I did not think it was that friggen complicated. If honesty about times is of no concern then why did it even come up? Why is every thought I post met with such hostility?
Mostly it's because we are hashing out the details and that's a detail. Most of us aren't getting upset. It was brought up, discussed by various people with various views and now we seem to be coming to a meeting of the minds on it. That's actually the way things are suppose to work. The hostility is something I can't answer to, maybe you should ask them yourself, but there is a caveat to that... beware what you ask, you may not like the answer.
Damn I should be :zzz :palm
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Thoughts? Here's a thought, why are you insistent on making things more difficult than they need to be? It's time trialing not moving terrorist suspects from Guantanamo Bay. You run a time and post it. If someone is dishonest about their time, big whoopty do. That's on them. Time trialing isn't for bragging rights, it's for measuring improvement of one's self on the track. So if a driver lies about a time, they are only lying to themselves.
Because, I did not think it was that friggen complicated. If honesty about times is of no concern then why did it even come up? Why is every thought I post met with such hostility?
Not complicated? Really? Let's see, what's more complicated than someone running a time trial when they have some free time? :ikik Having to find someone else in order to validate their time. C'mon man, just run your car, record you time and post it. If you feel like having a friend verify you aren't cheating then, by all means, have at it. It's that simple. Despite the way things get tunafied around here, we really do like to keep things simple.
As to why every thought you have is met with such hostility, I couldn't tell you. Maybe don't post every thought.
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Thoughts? Here's a thought, why are you insistent on making things more difficult than they need to be? It's time trialing not moving terrorist suspects from Guantanamo Bay. You run a time and post it. If someone is dishonest about their time, big whoopty do. That's on them. Time trialing isn't for bragging rights, it's for measuring improvement of one's self on the track. So if a driver lies about a time, they are only lying to themselves.
Because, I did not think it was that friggen complicated. If honesty about times is of no concern then why did it even come up? Why is every thought I post met with such hostility?
Not complicated? Really? Let's see, what's more complicated than someone running a time trial when they have some free time? (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/IKNOW.gif) Having to find someone else in order to validate their time. C'mon man, just run your car, record you time and post it. If you feel like having a friend verify you aren't cheating then, by all means, have at it. It's that simple. Despite the way things get tunafied around here, we really do like to keep things simple.
As to why every thought you have is met with such hostility, I couldn't tell you. Maybe don't post every thought.
this^
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I wasn't suggesting that time trials or recording times for a bench thread should be an organized event dependent on having a friend present. It had nothing to do with being a team or having a lap time validated. Hot laps/practice/TT is something I would not look for a room for until after I've looked for a race. I was simply pointing out that GT5 lets people do laps together - something I think we were all wishing for when we were playing Prologue. So if I'm looking for a race and all I can find is someone alone in a room, I might check to see if they're running an interesting track for hot laps/practice or a race, or I'll just go off and do my own thing.
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Thoughts? Here's a thought, why are you insistent on making things more difficult than they need to be? It's time trialing not moving terrorist suspects from Guantanamo Bay. You run a time and post it. If someone is dishonest about their time, big whoopty do. That's on them. Time trialing isn't for bragging rights, it's for measuring improvement of one's self on the track. So if a driver lies about a time, they are only lying to themselves.
You must not remember some of the banter that takes place after times are updated. :laugh:
As long as results are reported and compiled, there will be 'bragging rights'. I didn't take the TTs seriously, and I'm happy to see my friends get good results, but I really enjoyed trash talking with people I have very similar results to. UCan, Rodeo, and I had some similar results, and it was fun to see who would come out on top at various tracks. We had some fun with it.
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I've made no secret that my goal is to stop being terrible at the game and time trials give me a means to that end. The smack talk back and forth between some of you is just the icing on the cake. Spec and I never talked trash, but if he beat one of my times in Prologue, you can bet my phone was lighting up so he could tell me I needed to get back to work.
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We just need a Bench Racing thread stickied somewhere, so it's easy to find and post in. The OP could updated just like clacksman did on the deathstar. Nice and simple, you run what you want, when you want. Post the results. :-\
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We just need a Bench Racing thread stickied somewhere, so it's easy to find and post in. The OP could updated just like clacksman did on the deathstar. Nice and simple, you run what you want, when you want. Post the results. :-\
:agree
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We just need a Bench Racing thread stickied somewhere, so it's easy to find and post in. The OP could updated just like clacksman did on the deathstar. Nice and simple, you run what you want, when you want. Post the results. :-\
this^
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Back to the topic of track selection, Ucan and company...2 spots remain along with the question of Indy or Daytona ovals.
I would suggest one more street course (Rome is my preference), another new original course (some version of Cape Ring would be good), and concerning ovals, Indy would be my pick, where the corners actually resemble corners. There's my 2 cents.
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La Sarthe needs to be on there. I need to learn that one. How about a rally track such as one of the Eiger tracks.
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I'm glad to see this thread back on track. While it never got actually Tunafied there was a lot of good thinking and stuff about Time Trialing. My original purpose was to gauge interest in maintaining a bench thread. Two different animals.
Time Trials, to me, are more organized. More focused, if you will. Specific conditions are set down for everyone. Specific car. Specific track(s). Specific tires. etc. It's competitive only in the sense that everyone tries to go as fast as they can and gets to brag for a day or two that they were two tenths faster at DRC than some other guy. Then Spec posts his time and our jaws drop. :)
A bench thread is more free form. You run whatever you want on one of the suggested tracks and post your time. For the data to be useful I'm thinking we should agree on a tire choice or two, and recommended PP. Otherwise, I'll be posting up my time in my Spyker Laviolette at 432PP and it won't mean shit to anybody. :) In Prologue, clacksman's bench thread actually provided useful information. You saw what the fast guys were running, and you saw what the slower times were. And you saw what middle-of-the-roaders like me were turning in. It was such a closed world that you knew right away something was wrong with your car if you were way off pace.
GT5 might be too vast to gain that same information. I don't want to limit car choices, but I think we should build in some sort of controls using PP. Maybe 4 categories at 400, 500, 600 and 700PP. Maybe I'm overthinking it. Maybe we'll just start one and see how it develops.
Oh. And we run on the honor system here. Always have. Always will. If you're so inclined save a replay, but I'll never ask to see it.
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As I re-read this thread it kinda seems like we're talking about two different things here. Starting a Bench thread and Time Trialing.
I like both ideas and I'd like to see both get started.
Bench Thread - Basically what Chrome said... run what you want, where you want, when you want, post your time and car, maybe PP & tires.
Time Trial - Someone posts a track, a car, a setup and everyone posts their times.
Doesn't really need to be any more difficult than that.
Edit: tree'd by ucan.
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Maybe run all cars stock or close to,no upgraded turbos or other power parts?
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Maybe run all cars stock or close to,no upgraded turbos or other power parts?
I would prefer that but boys will be boys and love to play with their toys. :)
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On-topic; I'll be starting a weekly event next month that focuses on Comfies and Softies. No offense to anyone but the Racing tires in this games feel like training wheels. Racing hard are fun but anything else feels like train tracks.
Going from soft to racing tires does make a big difference, allowing one to push their braking point later and later while getting use to the car.
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Has anything been decided on any of the items mentioned in this thread? I've got a busy weekend planned of doing as little as possible. I cut the grass last night so I may or may not do that again. I'll be watching The Masters til I can't stand seeing green and then I'll probably watch a little porn.
I'm sure I'll be racing Saturday night, but other than that, I can't think of anything I need to do. I'd like to get started running some shitty car on some track I hate and see how poorly I compare to some of you.
Obviously, that's if we go the time trial route. If we do the bench thread thing, I just need to know the wrules.
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I cut the grass last night
(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/icon_beuj.gif)
But I still have snow on half my lawn. ^-^
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I cut the grass last night
(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/icon_beuj.gif)
But I still have snow on half my lawn. ^-^
I live in Indiana. In the past it's been 72 degrees in the middle of a winter storm warning because it was supposed to drop 50 degrees and snow the following day. I've had the heat and the air conditioner on in my house in the same day. A couple weeks ago the mercury stopped just shy of 80 and we had a dusting of snow the following morning.
Just because I’ve cut the grass a few times doesn’t mean I won’t be shoveling snow over the weekend. I’ve worn shorts at Christmas and my warmest winter jacket for Easter.
I enjoy cutting the grass. I make sure to cut a different line each time. One time it’s a vertical path, the next time a diagonal and the time after that horizontal. In Indiana, it’s not so much about the temperature outside, but more about whether it’s wet or dry out. Yesterday was dry, so I put some diagonal paths in the yard.
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I didn't get in on the Time Trials when they were run in GT5P, but I would interested in getting in on the action. I like the idea of the bench racing too. It would be a useful guide as to what cars match up and what don't.
Also, my lawn is all rock. 8)
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I have rock lawn envy.
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My lawn is half dead.
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I'm thinking bench thread now, time trials in the future. Run anything you own on one of the dozen or so tracks listed in the OP.
Post hp/wt/PP/tires along with your car and lap time. Other drivers can match those specs and see how their times compare. Maybe include a comment to describe anything special you did to improve the car. (Stage 3 engine mod. Supercharger added. Whatever.)
I'm trying to determine if there is a consistent formula we can use to determine lap time improvement based on tire choice. ie. If I run a 2 minute lap on S2's what kind of time can I expect on R2's? So far the formula has eluded me.
I suspect if we find a particular car/track combo that becomes popular a time trial will ensue. :)
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Will this stuff expire? I probably wouldn't get much time in, at least for now.
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I'm trying to determine if there is a consistent formula we can use to determine lap time improvement based on tire choice. ie. If I run a 2 minute lap on S2's what kind of time can I expect on R2's? So far the formula has eluded me.
I don't know about a formula, but I ran my high horse Audi wagon at HSR some last night, just trying to workout the push it has. Started out on S3's and got it doing pretty good, noted my best time was 1'07.456. Then put on R3's and ran a few more laps. Got that down to 1'03.659 fairly quick. These were run in offline practice, so traction is a little better than online.
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Offline practice :nnaughty
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I'm thinking bench thread now, time trials in the future. Run anything you own on one of the dozen or so tracks listed in the OP.
Post hp/wt/PP/tires along with your car and lap time. Other drivers can match those specs and see how their times compare. Maybe include a comment to describe anything special you did to improve the car. (Stage 3 engine mod. Supercharger added. Whatever.)
I'm trying to determine if there is a consistent formula we can use to determine lap time improvement based on tire choice. ie. If I run a 2 minute lap on S2's what kind of time can I expect on R2's? So far the formula has eluded me.
I suspect if we find a particular car/track combo that becomes popular a time trial will ensue. :)
Cool, I agree with this. I hope you understand that this list could get huge, without restrictions of any kind.
The one good thing in GT5P was that you had a track and a setup... in other words a set PP... set tires etc...
That made clack's job a bit easier. Still he had some pretty long lists... this could get giahumungously huge...
depends on how many run them and how many different cars, PP and tracks we all use...
Still I like it... ;)
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Offline practice (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/tsktsk.gif)
Haha, I was just messing around last night, not an official run. :)
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Unfortunately, I agree with Infiniti. (God, that hurt).
Clacks isn't doing a bench thread any time soon due to the sheer size with every single adjustment that can be made. I'm currently pushing for everyone to buy a new car for the time trial he's doing, but I don't see it happening. Buy a new car, get in. Head to My Lounge, don't stop at the oil change place and don't collect $200 for passing 'go.' Run laps til they're clean and not getting any lower, submit time.
The last thing we need is 16 different entries for a 2004 Corvette Z06 run at HSR.
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Now now Rick... the pain subsides after a few hours... You'll be fine.
Here's how a few hot laps at the dreaded HSR .. in an FTO Super Touring car went...
Remember... This is just one entry after 4 laps. I chose this car because I have never used it here...
R3's - 485hp - 600pp - 980kg - Stage 3 Turbo - Full Aero 60/35 Lap time 1:03.518
One entry one car one track at one HP/PP/tires/weight/aero
Probably leave out the weight, but it can be changed, so I included it here for demonstration purposes..
Now multiply this by how many?? (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/I_Dunno.gif)
(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/oops-1.gif) ... forgot the time (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/zLOL.gif)
Plus... This was done on-line in my lounge...
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I actually think the offline practice would be more consistent across the board. Everyone's online lounge delivers varying times.
Is is possible to use recommended cars in the offline practice? (I don't remember ucan)
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I actually think the offline practice would be more consistent across the board. Everyone's online lounge delivers varying times.
Is is possible to use recommended cars in the offline practice? (I don't remember ucan)
See, I thought it was suppose to be practice for on-line too... Really getting to learn a car/track combo.
Offline should be more consistent, but it plays different than on-line...
(http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif) at ourselves... something that should be easy is complicated because PD didn't give us a proper way to do these. GT5P had it pretty much right... GT5 ... not so much. :(
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Is it possible the fast lounges have had ASM turned on or some other nanny turned on whereas maybe another lounge didn't?
@Infiniti--You just listed two mods and it took a whole line. You're right..."now multiply this by how many?" Mods are great for racing, but I don't think they should factor into a bench thread. I think the cars should all be stock.
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Is it possible the fast lounges have had ASM turned on or some other nanny turned on whereas maybe another lounge didn't?
@Infiniti--You just listed two mods and it took a whole line. You're right..."now multiply this by how many?" Mods are great for racing, but I don't think they should factor into a bench thread. I think the cars should all be stock.
I was showing Ucan how it might look under what he said...
I agree with you... Hmmm... not too painful, I'm sure a couple of Advil will take care of it. ;)
No bolt ons runs as is, how about tires... was always left to driver where possible in GT5P...
Made for some outrageous tire combo's. A lot of us ran things like R2's/S1 at Daytuna, while I preferred R1's/S2's
Problem being, I won't buy a car for this or at least not many and some, especially the earlier cars have the non-removables
already built in.
That's why I was hoping for a set PP/tire/track ... run then for week or two...
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In GT5P... It was stock.. on S2's or less... everything else was non-changeable ...
Kept everyone on the same page... but that was their TT's. Free runs were whatever you wanted
within the limits of the PP/tire/track/car restrictions. Not all of these applied to every event.
Damn... complications...
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Get best times offline, then meet in a lounge to "crown the
whiners winners".
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I am convinced my lounge is faster than a pubkic lobby.
The other day I ran a Super Laggera at HSR in 3 races of 8 laps each.
I am running it exactly the same way as I did then. No Aides of any sort... yes Brin... Even No line :palm :lolz
I can take the final turn 146 - 147. It will hold that speed through the turn. I couldn't hold it above 137 -138 the other day.
Turn 2 is the same kind of thing several miles an hour faster.
No braking involved just drive into the final turn and the extra speed bleeds off. More of it did in the on-line lobby than in my lounge.
Plus I'm running close 1 1/2 sec. faster per lap. Yup, I'm a believer.
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How about every person here gets to pick one combo. Any car /track/tire they choose? No mods,this way the list won't get crazy long and maybe in a month or so everyone gets to pick a new combo
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How about every person here gets to pick one combo. Any car /track/tire they choose? No mods,this way the list won't get crazy long and maybe in a month or so everyone gets to pick a new combo
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No Aides of any sort... yes Brin... Even No line (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/facepalmsmiley.gif) (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/zLOL.gif)
(http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif) :rofl That put a huge smile on my face Infinity. Thank you! I've said it before, I think you are the king of widgets. You always seem to find just the right ones to fill in the word blanks. :)
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Yes, no limits and the list will get huge very quickly. With over 1000 cars to choose from (of which only 180 are worth a damn) and thousands of possible tuning variations there is absolutely no way to compare the data in a bench thread that is useful.
So... I'm thinking a bench thread with limits is just a time trial. We should do a time trial series. Rick ran a great series for us in Prologue. Someone has come forth and volunteered to do it here. I'm going to lock them in a cage and let them fight it out. :)
I think it makes much more sense to pick a specific list of cars that can change periodically and run them on a specific list of track that can change periodically. Keeps it fresh and keeps it manageable.
And run on S tires.
For myself, I prefer lap times that don't go far above 2 minutes, although I won't rule out the long tracks. It's one thing to blow a lap and know you're only 30 seconds from the finish line to start again. It's another if you've got 4 minutes left on your lap. :)
I'll stop with the suggestions. Our volunteer may have ideas of his own. Good ones.
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No Aides of any sort... yes Brin... Even No line (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/facepalmsmiley.gif) (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/zLOL.gif)
(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif) (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/rofl2.gif) That put a huge smile on my face Infinity. Thank you! I've said it before, I think you are the king of widgets. You always seem to find just the right ones to fill in the word blanks. :)
Well as I said before, there was always some tracks where I didn't use it. It's just that when running online most don't allow lines, even when They really need one. :D So over the past month or more I decided just go with it. If I could run Nurburgring without a line (and I did), then why not the rest. I don't really think it has altered my times much. The tracks I've run at, the laps have stayed pretty much the same. It's gotten the point where I don't even notice it's off.
c'est la vie :jp
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I'm going to lock them in a cage and let them fight it out. :)
Well, that wasn't much fun. Rick seems quite content to simply run in a Time Trial without having to manage it. I thought there would be moar blood. :)
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I'm going to lock them in a cage and let them fight it out. :)
Well, that wasn't much fun. Rick seems quite content to simply run in a Time Trial without having to manage it. I thought there would be moar blood. :)
(http://artsfuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/blood.jpg)
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I'm going to lock them in a cage and let them fight it out. :)
Well, that wasn't much fun. Rick seems quite content to simply run in a Time Trial without having to manage it. I thought there would be moar blood. :)
(http://artsfuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/blood.jpg)
The first time I saw that movie I came in on the very end of it. I'm done here.
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I'm going to lock them in a cage and let them fight it out. :)
Well, that wasn't much fun. Rick seems quite content to simply run in a Time Trial without having to manage it. I thought there would be moar blood. :)
I must have missed something. I'm happy to do whatever anyone wants. I haven't said 'no' very often on this site.
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(http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~ddgarcia/gifs/spamcar97.jpg)
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Spam cars are spammy. :)
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LOL, what the thread bump?
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:bump