You can put any number on these you want right? Can I request red #98? If not, I'll be red #5. Also, looking for co-driver if anyone is interested. Maybe someone from ... Texas? ;)
I'd like in, I can do Wednesdays but would rather leave Mondays open. I'll most likely be the last across the line, on average, so I hate to burden a teammate with that.
I'd like in, I can do Wednesdays but would rather leave Mondays open. I'll most likely be the last across the line, on average, so I hate to burden a teammate with that.
I'm sure anyone around here would be glad to have you for a teammate.
If everyone could give me an idea as to either Monday or Wednesday for the series I would appreciate it.
dmcallis just posted about cup cars on the deathstar, and apparently the Clio gets an LSD and the Lutecia does not. Don't know if it goes deeper, but that's significant.
I have a better selection of Trophy Lutecias than Clios, apparently - I have the red #5 and the white #66 Clio.
Right now I have it planned that way with 1 throw away week. I could put a 1 week break right in the middle if that would help. I didn't want to run it every 2 weeks and have it go on for 4 months.
Also I could have the race start time changed to 10:00 edt which would actually work better for me.
I could also change it to 6 races if that works better.
Any feedback is more than welcome, I'm new at this. (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)
Also I could have the race start time changed to 10:00 edt which would actually work better for me.
OK, how about this. 8 races with 2 throw aways and a break at the 1/2 way point.
If we change it to the room open at 9:15, Q at 9:30 and race start at 9:45 and the races around 35 minutes will you be able to do that Agent.
How does everyone feel about that?
I'll post over on TrackJunkies.org and see if any of those guys are interested. They're pretty dang fast for a bunch of non-sim drivers.
If it's alright, i'll take the #66 white car since i have one here... i'll paint the wheels and update with color choice when i get in front of the ps3. Teammate needed.
Sounds good, Agent
Sounds good, Agent
Kewl ..... !!
You'll need to send me the car tho ... I dont have the #66 :-[
Sounds good, Agent
Kewl ..... !!
You'll need to send me the car tho ... I dont have the #66 :-[
I have the car, but you are not on my friends list!
What Trans are we to use?
Maintenance thwarted the practice session last night. :P
Maintenance thwarted the practice session last night. :P
Not all of it, soks and i ran for about an hour and a half last night. You were watching Netflix, or sleeping while it was on! (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)
I wish it was On Demand. I love Sliders...
not a problem, it's just so we can tell the difference between the 2 partners.
I'm pretty sure we will know yours.
not a problem, it's just so we can tell the difference between the 2 partners.
I'm pretty sure we will know yours.
But I like my funny hat; is that a problem? I'll be the red one in the back. ;)
Great cars, great tracks... Can I play too? I just need a buddy to drive a Lutecia with me.
Great cars, great tracks... Can I play too? I just need a buddy to drive a Lutecia with me.
Am I to understand this correctly: I can use the Lucentia and just buy the adjustable LSD for it?
THANKS CHARLIE!
While we're clarifying things.
Chassis Reinforcement, yea or nay?
While we're clarifying things.
Chassis Reinforcement, yea or nay?
While we're clarifying things.
Chassis Reinforcement, yea or nay?
Absolutely, anything available is good to go as long as HP and KG are maintained.
pssst Dude, let me know if it helps.
I posted a request for you over at the cloning thread.
I'm sure someone will come through.
| Color | # | Clio? | Lutecia? |
| BLUE | 55 | Yes | Yes |
| YELLOW | 9 | Yes | Yes |
| WHITE | 66 | Yes | Yes |
| GREY | 3 | Yes | Yes |
| RED | 5 | Yes | Yes |
| PINK | 99 | Yes | No |
| BLACK | 33 | No | Yes |
Brindle and I don't have matching cars. The best we can do right now is team yellow.
Can someone send me a Yellow #22 Lutecia please?
Thanks.
Brindle and I don't have matching cars. The best we can do right now is team yellow.
Can someone send me a Yellow #22 Lutecia please?
Thanks.
stvm dude has a yellow #9 he can send.
You need one too, Wiz? I haz both Clio and her seester Lutecia in a size 9... (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/yummy-1.gif)
I believe Agent had a problem with that time but if he can do it I'm good with that as well. I don't want to pressure him into it so if that timing doesn't work then we can just go with the current time.
The original plan was 9:30 and I think I'm the only one who mentioned that as an obstacle. There looks to be a well filled field of teams. No need to adjust anything for me Agent.
Sent to Fried_Tuna :)You need one too, Wiz? I haz both Clio and her seester Lutecia in a size 9... (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/yummy-1.gif)
No I'm good to go. If you or Dude could send the Yellow #9 Lutecia to Brindle that would be great.
Thanks!!!
Edit: Please send it to his Fried_Tuna account.
Sent to Fried_Tuna :)You need one too, Wiz? I haz both Clio and her seester Lutecia in a size 9... (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/yummy-1.gif)
No I'm good to go. If you or Dude could send the Yellow #9 Lutecia to Brindle that would be great.
Thanks!!!
Edit: Please send it to his Fried_Tuna account.
Thank you Dude! :)Sent to Fried_Tuna :)You need one too, Wiz? I haz both Clio and her seester Lutecia in a size 9... (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/yummy-1.gif)
No I'm good to go. If you or Dude could send the Yellow #9 Lutecia to Brindle that would be great.
Thanks!!!
Edit: Please send it to his Fried_Tuna account.
Also I've never set up a room before but have a pretty good idea what to do. The only question I have is qualifying, how do I go about doing that.Leaf for QT, after practice, reset track by changing track ( check that laps are set and the other paramiters you want the race room to be ) then get everyone in pitlane do there 2 lap gt. race start should set the grid. Everybody has to stay in the room, in the pits or on track parked.
Also I've never saved a replay before and have no idea what to do for that.
Any help would be appreciated.
Also I've never set up a room before but have a pretty good idea what to do. The only question I have is qualifying, how do I go about doing that.Leaf for QT, after practice, reset track by changing track ( check that laps are set and the other paramiters you want the race room to be ) then get everyone in pitlane do there 2 lap gt. race start should set the grid. Everybody has to stay in the room, in the pits or on track parked.
Also I've never saved a replay before and have no idea what to do for that.
Any help would be appreciated.
As for the replay, after a race is done and you collect your winnings at the bottom of the screen next to enter track there is a flashing podium. Click on it then you'll be asked if you want to save file. Click Yes.
the race will be saved on ps. You can then watch it whenever, get pics
As a result of some drunken tomfoolery on Saturday afternoon I now have a minor fracture in my foot. But it's my left foot, which I don't use for GT5!
Huzzah! (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)
Hey Charlie, what color is Hellblau? Is that like a black? :-\
I thought Feldynn was behind me for the longest time.
I thought I had Dawson and Fried right but wasn't sure and I also wasn't sure if Wiz was 2nd or 3st. I wrote it all down but it's at home.
I thought Feldynn was behind me for the longest time.
I thought Feldynn was behind me for the longest time.
I was but I started having some lateral stability issues towards the end and finally flamed out on the last lap and gave my spot to Charlie :).
I thought Feldynn was behind me for the longest time.
I was but I started having some lateral stability issues towards the end and finally flamed out on the last lap and gave my spot to Charlie :).
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So I'm giving you points on Charlie's team in place of MX5 or can you get a teammate and throw out your teammates and mx5's points?
Your call guys.
I parked w/ 3 or so laps to go, weight reduction should probably go to the next in line
I parked w/ 3 or so laps to go, weight reduction should probably go to the next in line
i will meditate and try to mind meld the internet for a goos connection tomorrow oohhhmmmmmmmmmmm
So it turns out my pedal issues last week WERE caused by user error. :-\ :'(
Good news is I'm up and running and getting some practice in now. I'll post some times in a bit.
MX
Next time a slot on team dolt opens up, you'll be top of the list. :laugh
My best lap is a 2:02:14, worst a 2:15. I may be cut from my team. :o
Anyways, the room is open and the water is fine. Come on in.
apologies to all........AGAIN......... i have strongly suggested that His Grumpiness acquire a new and more reliable team mate
Was fun racing with Dawson the last part of the race, at least i had someone to race with. Most of the time there is nobody aroud to race! Until nexted race.
Why not put Turbo and Feld on the same team ... Team NoTeam. :)
So if I undertand correctly then Turbo and I are the Pepto Privateers (thanks Agent, I think, for the idea :)), our individual results are being recorded to help with the weight adjustments and if someone gets disco'd then our points are also given to whichever team(s) they were on? If that's the case then sounds like a splendid plan to me :).
Also regarding weight I think last night I was running at 1240kg (took 10kg off for the low finish at HSR which I think was correct at the time, if not then oops :-[), will adjust to the new weight for next week :).
At the time I had Feldman at 1240 but with the new spec he would have been 1235 which he is now.
At the time I had Feldman at 1240 but with the new spec he would have been 1235 which he is now.
I can now only picture Feldynn as a British Bizarro Kramer.
At the time I had Feldman at 1240 but with the new spec he would have been 1235 which he is now.
I can now only picture Feldynn as a British Bizarro Kramer.
At the time I had Feldman at 1240 but with the new spec he would have been 1235 which he is now.
I can now only picture Feldynn as a British Bizarro Kramer.
@ Brindle!
I don't think with your whole tune on there car, know body would keep up! (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)
Charlie have backup?
Charlie have backup?
I think Feldynn was, but not sure.
Has anyone got any lap times? I need to figure out the laps for the race any haven't turned any.
But with the Leafs imploding last night I should have some time to figure outnextweekstomorrow night's race.
Way to Team Dumbass go. Nice 1rd fried. Turbo, that was the best race I have been in the entire time I've played GT5. What a great car and series. :)
Great driving Dude and Turbo! Just couldn't stay up with either one of you guys! Had another one of my usual races, racing by myself! :'(
Considering that we have had a couple drop out I'm going to add a wrinkle to the scoring.
Whichever regular driver gets the lower placing they would get the points from the higher placing sub. I hope this makes sense but if not let me know.
I was going to say have a great long weekend but I believe it's only long up here.
I hope everyone has a great weekend no matter how long it is.
This weekend is Victoria Day Weekend.
It just doesn't have the same feeling though, I don't know why.
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This weekend is Victoria Day Weekend.
It just doesn't have the same feeling though, I don't know why.
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I don't know what happened to Agent but he was there and listed in the results.
I don't know what happened to Agent but he was there and listed in the results.
Not sure what ya mean .... I raced the whole race, well except for 2 laps. Thats when I was mad at myself for falling for the 'lets bail' at the beginning. But I'm ok now .... ;) ;)
I don't know what happened to Agent but he was there and listed in the results.
Not sure what ya mean .... I raced the whole race, well except for 2 laps. Thats when I was mad at myself for falling for the 'lets bail' at the beginning. But I'm ok now .... ;) ;)
It is really cool we fish are all so accommodating, but I agree with Turbo's statement after the race. If it's a points series race or single serious race you should plan on going at the start time.
The only two voices I can distinguish are Feldynn and Charlie. (well, of course Josh. LOL) At the beginning I heard several 'lets bails' and someone said to get the running order so we know where everybody was supposed to start. When GO ensued, 2 cars at the back sat there ... and I figured they were writing the order. Got all the way to turn #1 where I tried to just drive to the inside and hit the button. I ended up turning in too hard and alittle slide. Every one went by me without another word to bailing ... so I straightened up and proceeded onward at over 30 seconds behind. Sure, I'd like to take Turbo's advice Dude, but how many times in this series have we restarted a race for one reason or another? It was just another restart being called for ... nothing unusual.
Dont get me wrong, I was fine with it after a couple puffs in the garage and then rejoining the race. I'm not racing for anything anyways, but I really felt like a lone wolf dumb shit for falling for it.
Just a thought... For the first lap only, zero chatter at countdown except for Leaf only? That way we know who's speaking. :)
I should be there tonight and can substitute for another guy as needed.. substitute, my points for yours.. :)
The Who - Substitute (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eswQl-hcvU0#)
MX, what sort of problems were you having with your car last night? It looked like it might have been a bit too tail happy or kind of squirrely coming off the corners a couple of times when we were close, I'm hardly the best person to give tuning advice since I usually have arse backwards numbers to everyone else :) but maybe we can figure out something for the next race. Ironically I ended up having problems myself in the few practice laps at Indy right before the race and reset half my suspension to mostly default settings at the last minute which seemed to really help out and even worked well in the test laps I did a bit later with Soks and Grumpy at Rome.
I'm with you MX5. I haven't had the car the way I like it at all. I had a descent start but every time I see a car creeping up from behind I know it's only a matter of time and every time they get by I'm amazed how within 1 lap they are pulling away. I saw Feldynn gaining and he blows right by. Then Dude spins out and within 1/2 lap he goes by pulling away and MX5 with about 3 laps to go does the same.
I'm having a really hard time being competitive and basically gave up the last 1/2 dozen laps. I gotta work for next week to try to help my poor teammate out. By the way I think Dude was struggling as well last night.
I suspected that you had an extra pit stop and to be honest I wasn't trying too hard at that point
My ONLY advice to fix this is brake EARLIER! Feldynn's fix of dropping a gear to get the turn in should have given it away... He dropped a gear to assist in slowing down, keeping weight on the front tires.
Good advice Brindle.
What's everybody's approach to the tight S chicane before the right hander that leads to the banked oval section? Initially I was trying to late apex the first corner by going wide left and then arcing it along the right side of the first turn so that I had the most space for the left hander. But this seemed slow. So what I started doing was keeping left still but then trail braking into the first corner (braking late and turning at the same time) to get to the same point on the right side of turn 1 quicker. This caused me a few spins when the tires were getting worn. But in general, I felt a bit faster doing this. I would try to get my right tires on the rumble strip on the backside of the first turn and begin rolling on the power through the left hand turn opening onto the short straight.
If there's a better way to do this, please let me know. Seemed like some of you were way faster in this section that I was.
I tried to make it, but there was too much going on with kids and stuff at home. I love Indy Road, though I had zero practice. Hopefully I make the next one.
Yeah, I was definitely dropping into first in there much like Feld mentioned, to get the rear to rotate.
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My ONLY advice to fix this is brake EARLIER! Feldynn's fix of dropping a gear to get the turn in should have given it away... He dropped a gear to assist in slowing down, keeping weight on the front tires.
That's sort of the thing Fried, I wasn't so much dropping a gear to assist in slowing down (at least not on purpose :)) but more because it seemed to affect the rotation of the car. I could slow down and take a corner in 3rd gear at lower revs but the car would feel a bit pushy, if I dropped down to 2nd gear with high revs but at the same speed (give or take a couple of MPH) it went from a little pushing at the front to a little shoving from the back and made the car rotate that much easier.
That's kind of what got me guessing it might be something in my LSD setting, so the torque at higher RPM in the lower gear simply made the car turn better at mostly the same speed with the setup I had?
Good advice Brindle.
What's everybody's approach to the tight S chicane before the right hander that leads to the banked oval section? Initially I was trying to late apex the first corner by going wide left and then arcing it along the right side of the first turn so that I had the most space for the left hander. But this seemed slow. So what I started doing was keeping left still but then trail braking into the first corner (braking late and turning at the same time) to get to the same point on the right side of turn 1 quicker. This caused me a few spins when the tires were getting worn. But in general, I felt a bit faster doing this. I would try to get my right tires on the rumble strip on the backside of the first turn and begin rolling on the power through the left hand turn opening onto the short straight.
If there's a better way to do this, please let me know. Seemed like some of you were way faster in this section that I was.
Here's what I used for Indy...
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As far as I understand the game, (at least for me) is a - toe number is toe out and + is in. I almost always use some amount of toe out in the front. it does 2 things... It can assist in turn in, as the inside wheel is already pointing in the direction of the turn. 2, it helps dull the response of the front end on corner exit. This is particularly helpful in controlling oversteer, as the front will be less responsive (only slightly of course).
Rear to is purely to help the car rotate -x or not +x. If the car is loose on throttle, adding +x toe will calm that down. Tight on exit, adding -x toe will loosen the car on throttle.
As far as I understand the game, (at least for me) is a - toe number is toe out and + is in. I almost always use some amount of toe out in the front. it does 2 things... It can assist in turn in, as the inside wheel is already pointing in the direction of the turn. 2, it helps dull the response of the front end on corner exit. This is particularly helpful in controlling oversteer, as the front will be less responsive (only slightly of course).
Rear to is purely to help the car rotate -x or not +x. If the car is loose on throttle, adding +x toe will calm that down. Tight on exit, adding -x toe will loosen the car on throttle.
Ok, good explanation. I guess what confuses me is that, with positive camel toe, the outside tire is pointing more in the direction of the turn. And the outside tire will have more force applied to it due to weight transfer. So I typically give just a hair of toe (this is starting to sound silly) on the front to help it corner. Don't understand why having the inside tire pointed in the direction of the turn matters much at all. In my Miata, it's not uncommon for my inside tire to come completely off the ground under hard braking and cornering.
Camel Toe
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Hair of Toe
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Is she running positive or negative camel toe? I've looked and looked but I just can't figure it out :D.
Couple of brief lap times for the impending Rome Reverse race next week, using the same setup I posted (not sure what my top speed was set to) I managed a 1'12.9xx best lap but could get back down under the low 1'14s after that when Soks, Grumpy and I ran a few quick ones after Wednesday's race.
Congrats Leaf on a great put together and run series. Thank you very much!
I do however have to announce that team dumbass is withdrawing from the series, due to personal reasons. Have fun guys!
"Long Line"
I practiced for about an hour last night and got it down to consistent 14's with a few 13's thrown in. What I was pleased with was that after 22 laps I was still running mid to high 15's.
Should be fun tonight but I see lots of wall humping going on. Let's be very careful on lap 1 EH!
Apparently 11's weren't so easy. Only 12.183 :(
Either way, here it is... Hope it helps someone. Also I tuned it at 1280kg to be closer for all.
Aero 15/28
Trans
3161
2297
1774
1419
1173
1009
4.000 final
174 slider
Suspension
-10/-9
9.3-12.6
5/4
5/4
3/6
1.1/.7
-.12/-.01
LSD
12/31/7
Brakes
6/4
Things are still unsettled here but if at the last minute I can make it is there room for me or will that be a disruption?
Ok, I watched the replay, took screenshots of each time I had contact with another vehicle. I'm waiting for others to do the same. If someone has a beef lets hear it. I feel confident that I did nothing wrong.
I gotta say, I'm not happy being publicly called out in a room full of Tuna when we all know we're running with mics off and any contact amongst friends is surely accidental. That said, none of the contact I saw was caused by me. If someone saw it different, I'd love to hear it. I have photos of every incident. I have come last or second to last in every single race in this series. You'll pardon me if I don't try to finish 7th once in a while, otherwise I'd just pull over and let everyone by.
Dude, good racing with ya out there. We had some fun trading positions. Sorry for the contact that one time you passed me on the inside. Glad it didn't spin ya.
Dirty Dancer
we have a wreck of 4-5 cars it's not fair to the cars that were merely caught up in the mayhem by no fault of their own.
we have a wreck of 4-5 cars it's not fair to the cars that were merely caught up in the mayhem by no fault of their own.
My point is ... it's also not fair to the 4 or 5 cars that successfully avoided the accident either. Over at iRacing, one of the first things I had to learn is that if you're in an accident, it's your fault. You can blame the car that hit you. Or you can blame the car that spun out in front of you. But at the end of the day, was there something you could have done to put your car in a position to make it through that corner cleanly? Sometimes, no matter how defensive you drive, you're going to get collected. But 9 times out of 10, there's something you could have done differently.
Put another way, in a long race like that, there are certain advantages to starting at the back. Avoiding wrecks is one of them.
I know I'm not in any more, but 2 things come to mind. 1... restarts should ONLY be considered due to lag type crashes. 2... NO ONE WINS ON LAP 1. Back up your break points by 2 lengths or more. Be patient and try to hold your spot until things settle down a few turns in. Absolutely NO reason for T1 wrecks 2.5 years into the game.
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well except for I think it was MX that was the runaway on the 1st start (that was very funny by the way).
(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif), good one Dude.
Thanks Phreak for that and I hope we can all put this to rest. As far as I'm concerned we are good.
I know I am.
I will keep going with the teams until the end and thanks to Feldynn I have another brainstorm.
Everyone keep their mics on for however long they want and if there is a multiple wreck on lap 1 then anyone can call for a caution. As soon as that is called then we keep the same order we have at that point but slow down to 50 mph. The affected cars can regroup and catch up to the pack but stay in the order you came out of the mess. As soon as the last car gets there let everyone know.
At that point it is in the leaders hands. He can call green, green, green whenever he feels it is a good go point. On a track like Monza I would think we could go within a 1/2 lap.
important facts
1. this is amateur racing...I wouldn't be here otherwise
2. this is not real life racing... GT doesn't and can't simulate real racing
Interesting idea. In case of big lap one accidents, instead of restarting, regroup and do a rolling start with 'corner 1 caution', assuming there is no damage. If you clear the accident, you're moved up in the field. If you're a victim of the crash...sorry, shit happens. At least your race isn't 'over'.
I came into the room way more inebriated last night than planned, my apologies.
After that I pitted whenever folks got near (three times after lap 19) and if I wasn't near the pits when they came around I'd pull over a drop down to about 70mph.
Dont pull over Charlie or pull into the pits or slow down. Just hold your line its the faster drivers responsability to get by cleanly. You drive well enough to not pull off track for anyone here or anywhere else for that matter.
Dont pull over Charlie or pull into the pits or slow down. Just hold your line its the faster drivers responsability to get by cleanly. You drive well enough to not pull off track for anyone here or anywhere else for that matter.
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Dont pull over Charlie or pull into the pits or slow down. Just hold your line its the faster drivers responsability to get by cleanly. You drive well enough to not pull off track for anyone here or anywhere else for that matter.
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:stoopid: :stoopid:
Dont pull over Charlie or pull into the pits or slow down. Just hold your line its the faster drivers responsability to get by cleanly. You drive well enough to not pull off track for anyone here or anywhere else for that matter.
:stoopid:
:stoopid: :stoopid:
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Dont pull over Charlie or pull into the pits or slow down. Just hold your line its the faster drivers responsability to get by cleanly. You drive well enough to not pull off track for anyone here or anywhere else for that matter.
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:stoopid: :stoopid:
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I've said it before, I'll say it again........ Charlie is a sleeper, just waiting for the right moment to blow us all away with his awesomeness. Personally I think he's just being nice
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You have a right to hold your line on a track
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Holding your line...just remember that when you hit the braking zone and someone has ANY overlap on your car, there are now two lines, not just the racing line. This applies to everyone, I think.
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You have a right to hold your line on a track
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Holding your line...just remember that when you hit the braking zone and someone has ANY overlap on your car, there are now two lines, not just the racing line. This applies to everyone, I think.
There is some debate about that. I've always followed the iRacing guidelines that require the overtaking vehicle to get wheel to wheel BEFORE the braking zone (not during it) before I concede the corner. I actually do a variant of this when the overtaking vehicle gets partial overlap. If they are passing on the low line, I generally lift because they could slide out and put me into the wall. If they are going high, again, I brake early and try to hold a low line, but I don't let up. At higher speeds, it will be harder for them to keep from drifting up into the wall. So the lower line has the advantage in that case.
iRacing does a really good job of letting you know if the traffic around you is a lap up or people you are racing for position. Sorry if I held you up last night. As you saw, I'm not a big fan of just letting people by. I should have let Feld by on lap 24. He got wheel to wheel. But as we got closer to the braking zone, my lighter car started to pull away a bit. So I was 50/50 on that one. But should have given it. You had a pass on me that probably also qualified as one I should have let by. You passed me on the inside, we were wheel to wheel. I was on the outside, so I went wide and was giving you the track out. But you were worried about making contact, I guess, and oversteered and lost the position back. I don't know. In a points race like this, I'm not going to stop racing for anybody, especially if you're a lap up on me. I've got a lot of track to make up. Going slower won't get me there. LOL. Sorry man.
As for blue flags, if you are trying to prevent people from lapping you by running defensive lines, you are not doing yourself any favours. If you are running side by side in the corners with someone lapping you, you are not doing yourself any favours. Both cases, you are slowing yourself down and the other car. However, I don't see a problem with a lapped car running their optimal line trying to catch up. But you don't want to ruin the race of a car that has lapped you by taking them out. my (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/2cents.gif)
There was a race quite awhile ago with Turbo (I think) at DF or Trial Mountain, and more recently with Baked at Autumn Ring that we ran a lap or two or three side by side in some real close, EXCITING, racing. Sure, you could probably look at those laps and point fingers at whom had ownership on any one of the corners ... and whom should have backed off. But the point here is, is that if your paying attention and making adjustments to your braking points and race lines, you can produce highlight reel clips from corner to corner to corner.
I think the key word is Turn-in and not Breaking zone. Ever heard of the term
"out-break someone"? Can't do that if you give up BEFORE a breaking zone. I think one is allowed up until Turn-in to get the overtake needed. If you don't, make sure you get out of the line, because it is NOT yours to take.
Some people brake much earlier and you can outbrake them on every turn just because of the two differing braking pooints you both have. Everyone does not have the same comfort level in asking for certain performance out of their car.
Something I really enjoyed from that last race that may or may not be partially or entirely relevant or not to the discussion at hand was the battles I had with Turbo. We had some good side by side racing and there was also some nice "give and take" moments too where we'd give eachother a corner and then maybe take back the next one or get set up for an overtake further down the road, basically it was good friendly back and forth racing.
I've had similar racing experiences many times with many others here too, be it for a podium spot or a race for last place :).
-FINALLY, when encountering lapped traffic (or just competitors driving off pace) the last thing I want for is them to pull over and let me by or concede to me (without a fight) the best driving line. It's a RACE! And just because you're not on the lead lap doesn't mean I've got to right to deprive you of doing your best. Lapped traffic should maintain their line and drive to the best of their ability. It's the responsibility of the leaders to pass you. That is part of what racing is all about, and always has been. :jimi:
Something I really enjoyed from that last race that may or may not be partially or entirely relevant or not to the discussion at hand was the battles I had with Turbo. We had some good side by side racing and there was also some nice "give and take" moments too where we'd give eachother a corner and then maybe take back the next one or get set up for an overtake further down the road, basically it was good friendly back and forth racing.
I've had similar racing experiences many times with many others here too, be it for a podium spot or a race for last place :).
I watched a lot of you two going at it. I would characterize that as two teammates working together perfectly to maximize your team score. It was truly beautiful to watch. Some of the passes of non-teammates were more aggressive, certainly. But the two of you worked extremely well as a team. Formidable is how I'd put it.
Not inappropriately so, I hope?
I think the key word is Turn-in and not Breaking zone. Ever heard of the term
"out-break someone"? Can't do that if you give up BEFORE a breaking zone. I think one is allowed up until Turn-in to get the overtake needed. If you don't, make sure you get out of the line, because it is NOT yours to take.
Ok, so first of all, I think it's interesting that there are some many interpretations of this. But what I think is common is that we all respect each other and try to avoid contact. So it still works.
Here's how I interpret this. If I'm trying to out-brake someone and I haven't gotten wheel to wheel with them beforehand, I see it as my duty to avoid contact. To me, these rules simply point out whose at fault. It's kind of like holding in football. Everyone does it, just don't get caught. So if I dive into a corner and try to overtake this way, it's my job to avoid contact. That might mean putting myself into the wall if I misjudged the braking distance (did that one last night, lol). If you pull it off and it's clean, you're a hero. If you make contact and punt the overtaken vehicle into the grandstands, well .... I would also expect that if you try to out-brake someone and don't do it cleanly that you give the position back to the car you hit, imho.
Everything you said is correct, with ONE exception. You MUST know you can do it. If you can't or have any doubts about doing it cleanly, don't do it, plain and simple.
I practice this stuff with only 2 other people, because I/they are comfortable with me punting them if i miss. I DO NOT however go beyond my known limits with anyone else. I still make mistakes, but I do not try risky moves to anyone but those 2.
I seem to keep starting new pages every time I post. ^-^
I seem to keep starting new pages every time I post. ^-^
I seem to keep starting new pages every time I post. ^-^
Post ho much?
I think the key word is Turn-in and not Breaking zone. Ever heard of the term
"out-break someone"? Can't do that if you give up BEFORE a breaking zone. I think one is allowed up until Turn-in to get the overtake needed. If you don't, make sure you get out of the line, because it is NOT yours to take.
Ok, so first of all, I think it's interesting that there are some many interpretations of this. But what I think is common is that we all respect each other and try to avoid contact. So it still works.
Here's how I interpret this. If I'm trying to out-brake someone and I haven't gotten wheel to wheel with them beforehand, I see it as my duty to avoid contact. To me, these rules simply point out whose at fault. It's kind of like holding in football. Everyone does it, just don't get caught. So if I dive into a corner and try to overtake this way, it's my job to avoid contact. That might mean putting myself into the wall if I misjudged the braking distance (did that one last night, lol). If you pull it off and it's clean, you're a hero. If you make contact and punt the overtaken vehicle into the grandstands, well .... I would also expect that if you try to out-brake someone and don't do it cleanly that you give the position back to the car you hit, imho.
Everything you said is correct, with ONE exception. You MUST know you can do it. If you can't or have any doubts about doing it cleanly, don't do it, plain and simple.
I practice this stuff with only 2 other people, because I/they are comfortable with me punting them if i miss. I DO NOT however go beyond my known limits with anyone else. I still make mistakes, but I do not try risky moves to anyone but those 2.
Hey!
Well my teammate Charlie got buzzed pretty good on Lap 19. But Turbo already explained that he got distracted.
I think the key word is Turn-in and not Breaking zone. Ever heard of the term
"out-break someone"? Can't do that if you give up BEFORE a breaking zone. I think one is allowed up until Turn-in to get the overtake needed. If you don't, make sure you get out of the line, because it is NOT yours to take.
I have not watched any broadcast tv in about a month since we got rid of cable. And seeing racing seems to be the only thing I truly miss. :'(
I caught the last 20 mins of yesterday's Rolex race. I think the incident between the Vette and BMW is a perfect example to go with our discussion. Myself, I think the Vette should not have tried to stick his nose in where he did, even though he was faster in that section (I know I would not have). He should have set up on that corner instead for a pass next corner, instead of a pass where he tried.
Opinions on the incident?
I wonder if agent agrees with you.
I wonder if agent agrees with you.
??? :-\
Your posts make it sound like you want to make moves that others would find objectionable.
That makes me wonder if you thought the move the Vette made was good hard racing or if it really was a penalty.
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4:29 is the incident between the BMW and the Vette
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXCrU_WF5mU
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4:29 is the incident between the BMW and the Vette
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXCrU_WF5mU
That looked to be a bad attempt at a pass.
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4:29 is the incident between the BMW and the Vette
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXCrU_WF5mU
That looked to be a bad attempt at a pass.
Good but I'm at a loss understanding what aspect of your racing that other tuna might not like.
Let's reign it in, and get back OT! :P
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4:29 is the incident between the BMW and the Vette
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXCrU_WF5mU
That looked to be a bad attempt at a pass.
Good but I'm at a loss understanding what aspect of your racing that other tuna might not like.
Tight racing .... some tunas dont care for it.
I also will be letting faster traffic pass from now on. And since it's clear that all of you are faster or think you are faster, that means I'll get out of all of your way so that your racing experience is not impeded by my presence on the track in front of you.
Looking forward to an exciting race tomorrow.
MX
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I was just reading the OP and I could have (or should have) been dumping weight thru this entire series... Charlie is going on a diet starting tonight... ;D
Sorry for the bumps Tuna and Phreak. Good racing out there. I still use the driving line to tell me where to brake. And when I'd get right behind you, I missed it a couple times.
Wish I had spent more time testing how much fuel to add in the pit stop. :)
Great racing. I could not repeat the first half performance as my arms were beginning to fatigue and then the whole absurdity of the situation began to take over my thought process. :)
G'night.
MX
In my personal experience the driving line gets most folks into a bad habit of where your eyes are looking. It prevents you from keeping your eyes up the track far enough ahead. Just my opinion though.
Awesome first stint MX. You disappeared from the field. I'm sorry for being out of control at the chicanes a couple of times. Once at the first one with you MX and once at the second with Dawson.
I had a few off track excursions, but it was still a fantastic race. Fucking disconnect sucks. It was at the final turn on the final lap and it was shaping up to be a tight finish with Feldynn.
I could easily be talked in to doing a just for fun repeat of this.
Fucking disconnect sucks. It was at the final turn on the final lap and it was shaping up to be a tight finish with Feldynn.
For some reason I seemed generally off pace last night, possibly the car and possibly me too but it felt almost like I was driving through quicksand at times. But I did enjoy the racing I had with folks for the brief time we were close :).
I only use the driving line on generated tracks that I don't know and maybe occasionally at night. (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/5badair.gif)
Also also... No one lapped me last night, Bitches! :P
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I only use the driving line on generated tracks that I don't know and maybe occasionally at night. (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/5badair.gif)
Also also... No one lapped me last night, Bitches! :P
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Best bet add 19 liters or less which will be in before/same time the tires are changed.
For some reason I seemed generally off pace last night, possibly the car and possibly me too but it felt almost like I was driving through quicksand at times. But I did enjoy the racing I had with folks for the brief time we were close :).
Did you change your oil?
For some reason I seemed generally off pace last night, possibly the car and possibly me too but it felt almost like I was driving through quicksand at times. But I did enjoy the racing I had with folks for the brief time we were close :).
Did you change your oil?
I did, well I tried to but it said I had fresh oil and it didn't need changing so I must've done it after the race last week :D. I think it was probably just a combination of me and my tune, I was just a little off key (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/zLOL.gif).
1:56.5 - Team Texas Trio
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Still, not bad eh? Old dog has a few good years in him. ;)
For some reason I seemed generally off pace last night, possibly the car and possibly me too but it felt almost like I was driving through quicksand at times. But I did enjoy the racing I had with folks for the brief time we were close :).
Did you change your oil?
I did, well I tried to but it said I had fresh oil and it didn't need changing so I must've done it after the race last week :D. I think it was probably just a combination of me and my tune, I was just a little off key (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/zLOL.gif).
I did that in the Practice room. In the actual race, I believe my best was a 1:57.1. I believe a 1:56 is possible. From what I saw, the practice room gives you absolutely perfect traction the entire time. Online, I believe you get that only one lap or so, so it's hit or miss if you can achieve that same lap time. For me, lap 4 or 5 seemed to give me the same grip that I had in the practice room. So while I could do lap after lap in practice to get it right, online you had to nail it when the tires were perfectly warmed up and not very worn.
MX
Couldn't make it out this week, but I'd like to come out to the final race if there's room & it's ok.
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Thanks LLF, great series. Thanks for great racing everyone
Thanks LLF, great series. Thanks for great racing everyoneThanks Leaf, glad I could make it back out for the finale, sorry for the terrible driving!
Thanks LLF, great series. Thanks for great racing everyone
I second that comment!
Congrasts winners and runner-ups!
Thanks LLF for running the whole event and especially figuring out the points at the end with all the substitional confusion thrown in :), it was definitely a fun series!
Thanks for the series Leaf and great racing everyone.
I'm pretty sure, though, that you only deducted 20 points for my 2 throw-aways, where it should have been 25, which moves me up 3 spots in individual standings! Doesn't affect any team points though, and that old guy still beat me.
Thanks for the series Leaf and great racing everyone.
I'm pretty sure, though, that you only deducted 20 points for my 2 throw-aways, where it should have been2526, which moves me up 3 spots in individual standings! Doesn't affect any team points though, and that old guy still beat me.