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Online Events => Other Online Events => Topic started by: TunaPitReject on May 25, 2011, 02:43:04 PM
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RRRRRRRRRRRACE FANS!!!
Monday - Monday - Monday
Come join us for some CRAZY :o fun racing on Monday night featuring your favorite track and some of your favorite cars. Here are the deets:
Date: Monday, May 30th, 2011
Time: 9pm EDT / 8pm CDT / 7pm MDT / 6pm PDT
Room Id: SupaTunaGT.com
Track: High Speed Ring and High Speed Ring (Reverse)
Cars: Touring Modified (two door, four door and hatchback cars, 6-cylinders or less, production street cars with AWD, FR, FF or RR drivetrains.**)
**Note: A production street car is a car you can buy at the dealership in real life, drive off the lot and race. So for example, I could drive down to the Ford dealership and buy a Ford Focus today and then modify it to meet weight and power restrictions and race the next day. That's a production street car. RM and Concept cars are not allowed. If you have a question, just ask.
Restrictions:
*** 276hp / 1300kg / 450pp ***
Tires: Racing Soft
Racing Parts Allowed: Any
Body Modifications Allowed: Any (including wing, but no RM)
Engine Power Reduction: Allowed
Weight Ballast: Allowed
Rules:
# of Laps: 10
Qualifying Procedure: None. Starting positions in the first race will be random. After that, starting positions will be based on race results from the prior race.
Starting Procedure: Show up and drive.
Racing Ettiquette Enforced: Yes - don't be an ass.
On Track Incident Procedure: Tell your mama.
And that's it in a nutshell. Show up and drive. We'll do a series of 10 lap races for fun. We may even do a few in the normal HSR direction just to mix things up. You never know. It's up to those that show up.
Hope to see you there.
Michael
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My RUF and I will be there. 8)
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On Track Incident Procedure: Tell your mama.
(http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
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Damn, damn damn! Now I actually have to pick a car.. damn! :)
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My RUF and I will be there. 8)
Which one? :-\
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/battousaiofnphiles/GT4%20Pics/HighSpeedRing-2.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/battousaiofnphiles/GT4%20Pics/HighSpeedRing-2.jpg)
"MY" RUF is infamous.
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Hmmm, I'd better test it before Monday. What kind of times are you getting on the track?
MS
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It's now cross-posted on the PSN Community forum here:
http://community.us.playstation.com/message/31104142#31104142 (http://community.us.playstation.com/message/31104142#31104142)
I need to know if anyone out there has a really fast internet connection that can host the race. My connection sucks. We can use mine in a pinch. But the event will be better if someone else hosts.
MS
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Hmmm, I'd better test it before Monday. What kind of times are you getting on the track?
MS
For what it's worth I threw my slightly untuned one around a few laps, best I got was a 1'12.1xx I think but it was somewhat jittery. I'd imagine with some real suspension tuning, better ballast positioning, an LSD, racing gearbox and a proper driver like Ronin that it'd be faster, at least in the low 1'11.xxx's and maybe quicker.. whether it'd be less prone to spins and rear end slippage I couldn't say though a better driver could handle it better than me I'm sure :).
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holy cool site batman! 8)
got room for one more?
Hey MS willing to stand up for me? 8)
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holy cool site batman! 8)
got room for one more?
Hey MS willing to stand up for me? 8)
RELEASE THE HOUNDS!!!
Welcome War_Hound. WH is a really cool cat, and I mean that literally. I think he lives somewhere north of the Arctic circle (or north of Kansas, same thing). Good to have you here WH. These are fine folks ... not very refined ... but fine just the same. :)
MS
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It's now cross-posted on the PSN Community forum here:
http://community.us.playstation.com/message/31104142#31104142 (http://community.us.playstation.com/message/31104142#31104142)
I need to know if anyone out there has a really fast internet connection that can host the race. My connection sucks. We can use mine in a pinch. But the event will be better if someone else hosts.
MS
Just uncheck the box for Fixed Host.
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Just uncheck the box for Fixed Host.
Ok. But those 4Letter guys said that was bad. :-\
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Thanks M I appreciate the vouch. Looking forward to Mondays race... be sure and test that Ruf and share.... I have 'em all, might just build one tonight...
hound
holy cool site batman! 8)
got room for one more?
Hey MS willing to stand up for me? 8)
RELEASE THE HOUNDS!!!
Welcome War_Hound. WH is a really cool cat, and I mean that literally. I think he lives somewhere north of the Arctic circle (or north of Kansas, same thing). Good to have you here WH. These are fine folks ... not very refined ... but fine just the same. :)
MS
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Thanks M I appreciate the vouch. Looking forward to Mondays race... be sure and test that Ruf and share.... I have 'em all, might just build one tonight...
hound
Hey, that thing I said I had going on tonight fell through, so you may see me online.
MS
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Just uncheck the box for Fixed Host.
Ok. But those 4Letter guys said that was bad. :-\
That's how I set last Saturday's Drive-In and it seemed to work fine.
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That's how I set last Saturday's Drive-In and it seemed to work fine.
Ok, we'll try that and see. As I recall, the issue is that some folks who were connecting via wireless router were having problems when it wasn't set to fixed. We'll try it and see.
MS
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I double dog dare SandwichLord to show up and race. 8)
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I double dog dare SandwichLord to show up and race. 8)
Becareful what you wish for.
Also, I run on a wireless setup, so I pay attention for any troubles.
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Hmmm, I'd better test it before Monday. What kind of times are you getting on the track?
MS
That directed to me?
My bad, the wife in my ear did not read that correctly. I honestly do not know, I have a disliking to HSR and thus do not run it with any frequency. That picture was a long time ago and a lap done specifically for the picture it wasn't serious lol.
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Hey Reject, what time zone are you in? This is non offensive and a personal preference (don't know if others agree) but can you do away with that west coast starting time bullshit. Us folks on the East have to sleep bruh. How about 7 or 8pm Est until whenever. Those late start times is why I can't race with them other folks.
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Hey Reject, what time zone are you in? This is non offensive and a personal preference (don't know if others agree) but can you do away with that west coast starting time bullshit. Us folks on the East have to sleep bruh. How about 7 or 8pm Est until whenever. Those late start times is why I can't race with them other folks.
Those of us on the west coast appreciate the "starting time bullshit." Most on the west coast are still at work at 7 or 8pm Est. But thanks for thinking about us. ;)
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The only reason I say its bullshit is because there's almost no consideration for the east. Say Joe Blow gets on to race at 7pm Pac, and finishes up at 10PM. Friend John Doe wants to race the entire time with Joe Blow but because of the time difference, John is racing at 10PM-1AM.
I know it has almost become a standard for this start time but this isn't a league event. Everyone can get in when they can. More than likely there will be overlap or some still might not get on until 9pm. Plus there's an invitation at the deathstar. Some kiddies might have bedtime and what not.
Just my 2cent. Like I said it wasn't meant to be offensive but I think it has become an adopted standard to choose start times for events in perspective of west coast gamers... :(
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I'm in MDT so the 7PM Eastern start times are way early for me, hell i'm still driving home from work at 7 EST. :o
my .02...
Hey Reject, what time zone are you in? This is non offensive and a personal preference (don't know if others agree) but can you do away with that west coast starting time bullshit. Us folks on the East have to sleep bruh. How about 7 or 8pm Est until whenever. Those late start times is why I can't race with them other folks.
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Well I've been in this event since it was originally posted on PSN as strat's challenge, and after looking around here a little bit and seeing war_hound hop on over, you've got another convert. Look forward to racing with you all, PsychoPhreak on PSN, anything else, well just guess!
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The only reason I say its bullshit is because there's almost no consideration for the east. Say Joe Blow gets on to race at 7pm Pac, and finishes up at 10PM. Friend John Doe wants to race the entire time with Joe Blow but because of the time difference, John is racing at 10PM-1AM.
I know it has almost become a standard for this start time but this isn't a league event. Everyone can get in when they can. More than likely there will be overlap or some still might not get on until 9pm. Plus there's an invitation at the deathstar. Some kiddies might have bedtime and what not.
Just my 2cent. Like I said it wasn't meant to be offensive but I think it has become an adopted standard to choose start times for events in perspective of west coast gamers... :(
No offense taken Rated. Though I address some of what you mentioned, the rant below is not specifically directed at you. Really, it’s not.
For years now, we (West Coasters) have had to deal with events starting on eastern times, some as early as 4pm PST. Not all gamers live in Mom's basement, some actually have real jobs. If a typical work day, say, ends at 5pm, and we are generous and allow an hour for commute time, its 6pm before some can even fire up their machines. Throw in a little time to spend with the family, maybe eat some dinner and now we are at 7pm PST easy. You are worried about having to stay up late? I'm more interested in just being able to make the race! No consideration for the East? Please, the trend has always been to schedule with the east in mind.
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Regardless of what is or isn't bullshit M3, it would be good to have some who are able start the racing room around 7 or 8 eastern so those folks in the east can get some racing in before bed time. I know league racing needs to start late to accomodate west coast drivers, which is one reason I stopped running league events. The answer for open style events is to have them start early and end late. You don't have to make every race, show up and have fun when you can.
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Welcome my Phreaky friend! Good to see you here.
Well I've been in this event since it was originally posted on PSN as strat's challenge, and after looking around here a little bit and seeing war_hound hop on over, you've got another convert. Look forward to racing with you all, PsychoPhreak on PSN, anything else, well just guess!
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The answer for open style events is to have them start early and end late. You don't have to make every race, show up and have fun when you can.
So how about we try this concept and run it on "extended hours." I've noticed that timing is a flaw in a lot of organization's events, sometimes one simply can't get online at all during a set date. I think by extending the hours, their may be more pro's then cons.
Pro's
- Early birds can get on without having to wait
- As mentioned, some can actually play a little before bedtime
- Event will be up and running before west coasters get on. They'll be able to enter the race with participants already rolling.
- A wider time frame opens up potential participation, especially advertised on the deathstar. Potential to gain interest by simply stopping by and checking it out.
Con's
- Some 'core' people may get tired and not be able to last the entire event.
- Maybe low participant count at certain points of the time frame.
Thoughts? I'm not trying to take over anything but I think consideration for all American players would be a plus to further improve events. As for other's in different countries, a wider time frame may make it possible to catch some part of the event.
Off-subject, I see there's hp/kg & PP restriction, Which one do we set the car up for?
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With the event consisting of short 10 lappers, extending the hours would be a great solution.
Stupid timezones!!
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Welcome my Phreaky friend! Good to see you here.
Thanks, good to be here, seems like it's gonna be a lot of fun.
I've also run a few times with DesertSniper, so at least I don't feel like a total noob (and no, I won't fall for the SMUT initiation either!)
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hey thanks for the surprise last night.
oh that sounds bad... it was a secret weapon for the race, get your mind out of the gutter...
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Welcome TunaPhreak. With a name like that, i'm sure you will fit right in with this crowd. Being a freak is the order of the day. Everyday!
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Thoughts? I'm not trying to take over anything but I think consideration for all American players would be a plus to further improve events. As for other's in different countries, a wider time frame may make it possible to catch some part of the event.
What about us Canadians? Can we run some of the races on ice and change the speeds to km/h? Why do I say this stupid shit? --- It's fun.
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Thoughts? I'm not trying to take over anything but I think consideration for all American players would be a plus to further improve events. As for other's in different countries, a wider time frame may make it possible to catch some part of the event.
What about us Canadians? Can we run some of the races on ice and change the speeds to km/h? Why do I say this stupid shit? --- It's fun.
(http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif) Don't worry the term "Americans" is referencing all of North America, (South America has similar time zones but me no speaky spanish [I actually do]) Maybe North Americaners is the correct term?
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The answer for open style events is to have them start early and end late. You don't have to make every race, show up and have fun when you can.
So how about we try this concept and run it on "extended hours." I've noticed that timing is a flaw in a lot of organization's events, sometimes one simply can't get online at all during a set date. I think by extending the hours, their may be more pro's then cons.
Off-subject, I see there's hp/kg & PP restriction, Which one do we set the car up for?
Great ideas guys. Just one little hitch ... who can host at the earlier time? Are you volunteering? If so, sure, go for it. Just post that you'll have a room up early for the east coasters and coordinate it. We'll come join you when we get online.
As for the restrictions, they all apply. So the room host can change it from HP to PP at any time to check. If you get booted, then you were cheating. :)
MS
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The answer for open style events is to have them start early and end late. You don't have to make every race, show up and have fun when you can.
So how about we try this concept and run it on "extended hours." I've noticed that timing is a flaw in a lot of organization's events, sometimes one simply can't get online at all during a set date. I think by extending the hours, their may be more pro's then cons.
Off-subject, I see there's hp/kg & PP restriction, Which one do we set the car up for?
Great ideas guys. Just one little hitch ... who can host at the earlier time? Are you volunteering? If so, sure, go for it. Just post that you'll have a room up early for the east coasters and coordinate it. We'll come join you when we get online.
As for the restrictions, they all apply. So the room host can change it from HP to PP at any time to check. If you get booted, then you were cheating. :)
MS
We'll see how Monday plays out. If I get the oppurtunity, or the weather sucks, I'll get the room up around 7 or 8pm.
As for the restrictions how does that work exactly? Is the hp/kg consistent with 450pp for all vehicles? PP also takes into consideration aero and ballast position which could bite someone who meets hp/kg requirements.
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In other words, you have to comply to HP, KG, And PP limits.
my examples...
I have an RX8 I think at 276/1310 at about 440PP.
I have a Z car at about 250/1300 that's at 450PP.
That's how those cars will be driven. At or below all 3 limits.
My 330i and Supra SZ-R actually match all 3 limits exactly.
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Got cha thanks.
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I had to go through my cars last night because I didn't catch the 450pp limit. I'm now good to go, though my times will surely suffer.
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In other words, you have to comply to HP, KG, And PP limits.
my examples...
I have an RX8 I think at 276/1310 at about 440PP.
I have a Z car at about 250/1300 that's at 450PP.
That's how those cars will be driven. At or below all 3 limits.
My 330i and Supra SZ-R actually match all 3 limits exactly.
(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/5/23/hai5ftw128560575277173636.jpg)
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Quick Note: I just updated the OP to include AWD cars. That was an unintentional omission.
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Got cha thanks.
Just wanted to mentioned, the smaller BMW (128i?) can meet the weight requirements and is probably middle of the pack in terms of speed once modified. Decent little car. I've raded it a couple of times against the others and done ok.
MS
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did we decide what to do with the BMW Tii prize car? Is it in or out.
I have to break 1:12 I just have to, I'm tired of turning mid 1:12's and 1:13's... >:(
i need something with more grunt coming out of the corners, a little discipline wouldn't hurt either..... slow in fast out.... c'mon say it again.
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did we decide what to do with the BMW Tii prize car? Is it in or out.
I have to break 1:12 I just have to, I'm tired of turning mid 1:12's and 1:13's... >:(
i need something with more grunt coming out of the corners, a little discipline wouldn't hurt either..... slow in fast out.... c'mon say it again.
I think we tested it and didn't see a major speed advantage. I'll try again tonight. But I think technically it's a concept car, right?
And yes, hound, you'll get down into the 1'11"s. It's not the car. You know what to do. Remember, in the first turn, come off the gas on the entry a bit, then floor it WFO. Stay off the curbing, but keep the high line and be smooth. Don't be jerky. Exit speed should be around 133mph. And in your S-Turns, the second turn is most important. Go slower in the first one to keep right and hold a tight line. Then get on the gas as early as you can on the second S before the apex and hold it WFO again the rest of the way. You should eventually reach 153mph down the straight after all that time to accelerate before you have to come off the gas again for the banked right hander.
You'll get it. If you're still struggling, we'll do some more practice laps and I'll bark at you some more for going wide in that first S turn. :)
MS
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Just wanted to mentioned, the smaller BMW (128i?) can meet the weight requirements and is probably middle of the pack in terms of speed once modified. Decent little car. I've raded it a couple of times against the others and done ok.
MS
There's the Premium BMW 135i which could have weight removed and HP lowered just a touch (I think stock is 311hp), I don't know how well that does, and there's also the Standard BMW 120i and 120d (if you want the diesel version) which are both pretty good.
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did we decide what to do with the BMW Tii prize car? Is it in or out.
I have to break 1:12 I just have to, I'm tired of turning mid 1:12's and 1:13's... >:(
i need something with more grunt coming out of the corners, a little discipline wouldn't hurt either..... slow in fast out.... c'mon say it again.
yup, it's a concept car...
I think we tested it and didn't see a major speed advantage. I'll try again tonight. But I think technically it's a concept car, right?
And yes, hound, you'll get down into the 1'11"s. It's not the car. You know what to do. Remember, in the first turn, come off the gas on the entry a bit, then floor it WFO. Stay off the curbing, but keep the high line and be smooth. Don't be jerky. Exit speed should be around 133mph. And in your S-Turns, the second turn is most important. Go slower in the first one to keep right and hold a tight line. Then get on the gas as early as you can on the second S before the apex and hold it WFO again the rest of the way. You should eventually reach 153mph down the straight after all that time to accelerate before you have to come off the gas again for the banked right hander.
You'll get it. If you're still struggling, we'll do some more practice laps and I'll bark at you some more for going wide in that first S turn. :)
MS
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There's the Premium BMW 135i which could have weight removed and HP lowered just a touch (I think stock is 311hp), I don't know how well that does, and there's also the Standard BMW 120i and 120d (if you want the diesel version) which are both pretty good.
That's the one, the 135i. And if I recall, those 120i's are pretty dang fast too, you gotta find them in the used car lot though.
MS
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I'll try and be there. I just gotta find a good car.
S2000
RX8
hhhmmmm?
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I'll try and be there. I just gotta find a good car.
S2000
RX8
hhhmmmm?
Here are some cars I've tested with setups and tunings (click the pic to view details):
Ford Focus
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/strathound/HighSpeedRing.jpg)
(http://community.us.playstation.com/message/31071841#31071841)
Honda S2000
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/strathound/HighSpeedRing_2.jpg)
(http://community.us.playstation.com/message/31071844#31071844)
Nissan 300ZX
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/strathound/HighSpeedRing_1.jpg)
(http://community.us.playstation.com/message/31071842#31071842)
MS
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I had to go through my cars last night because I didn't catch the 450pp limit. I'm now good to go, though my times will surely suffer.
I just hope it slows your Z4 M down to around 1'11.0xx. :)
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:stoopid:
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I had to go through my cars last night because I didn't catch the 450pp limit. I'm now good to go, though my times will surely suffer.
I just hope it slows your Z4 M down to around 1'11.0xx. :)
Hmm, I'll have to check one of my FF cars.. it was close to that Z4 M for a "fastest lap", but it ate tires up like a hungry hippo if I tried to lap that fast for any length of time.
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Hey fellas! Figured it was high time I crashed this party.
Looking forward to the upcoming race(s).
Is the 135i in the Premium dealership? For some reason I thought it wasn't. I don't like the way it looks, but I like the way it drives. >:(
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Welcome Wolfpack.
Also, the 135i is in the new car dealership.
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Hey fellas! Figured it was high time I crashed this party.
Looking forward to the upcoming race(s).
Is the 135i in the Premium dealership? For some reason I thought it wasn't. I don't like the way it looks, but I like the way it drives. >:(
With a name like WolfpackS2k, and you're gonna drive a Beemer? :'(
BTW, in case it isn't well known, S2K == S2000. :)
MS
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Haha, so true. Though i carried the S2000 flag in that recent race against the 350Z even though the 350Z was the faster choice :D
I am not a fan of how the S2000 drives on those banked turns! Maybe it's b/c I'm still using a DS3 controller but I can't tame that beast for the life of me. Good thing that's not the case IRL...or I'd be dead :-X
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Haha, so true. Though i carried the S2000 flag in that recent race against the 350Z even though the 350Z was the faster choice :D
I am not a fan of how the S2000 drives on those banked turns! Maybe it's b/c I'm still using a DS3 controller but I can't tame that beast for the life of me. Good thing that's not the case IRL...or I'd be dead :-X
They needed racing suspension and a wing. :)
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I know RM'd cars are not allowed but what if we don't do the RM and just do the regular upgrades to an RMable car?
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I know RM'd cars are not allowed but what if we don't do the RM and just do the regular upgrades to an RMable car?
Sure, go for it. All non-RM mods are allowed. Throw that racing suspension on there. Do as many engine mods as you like. Drop dual turbos and a supercharger and some nitros. It's all good. But at the end of the day, it's gotta meet the 276hp / 1300kg / 450pp restrictions. The weight is a minimum. The hp and PP are maximums.
:)
Oh, and have fun. :D
MS
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I know RM'd cars are not allowed but what if we don't do the RM and just do the regular upgrades to an RMable car?
Sure, go for it. All non-RM mods are allowed. Throw that racing suspension on there. Do as many engine mods as you like. Drop dual turbos and a supercharger and some nitros. It's all good. But at the end of the day, it's gotta meet the 276hp / 1300kg / 450pp restrictions. The weight is a minimum. The hp and PP are maximums.
:)
Oh, and have fun. :D
MS
okay she's freaking hot!
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I know RM'd cars are not allowed but what if we don't do the RM and just do the regular upgrades to an RMable car?
Sure, go for it. All non-RM mods are allowed. Throw that racing suspension on there. Do as many engine mods as you like. Drop dual turbos and a supercharger and some nitros. It's all good. But at the end of the day, it's gotta meet the 276hp / 1300kg / 450pp restrictions. The weight is a minimum. The hp and PP are maximums.
:)
Oh, and have fun. :D
MS
As an example I've got a Nissan Silva Spec R (the one you can RM, but without that mod) set up for this event that can run in high 1'11.xxx on a good lap, of course me getting many good laps is another story but it definitely works well :D.
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Just to clarify since I spent all fucking night in bimmer haven 8), the M3 GTR is a V8. Now I got 4 cars chosen, one's not a bimmer. What's a fast time? From what I've read, the average is 1' 11." Any 1' 09"s/1' 10"s out there?
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did we decide what to do with the BMW Tii prize car? Is it in or out.
I have to break 1:12 I just have to, I'm tired of turning mid 1:12's and 1:13's... >:(
i need something with more grunt coming out of the corners, a little discipline wouldn't hurt either..... slow in fast out.... c'mon say it again.
I think we tested it and didn't see a major speed advantage. I'll try again tonight. But I think technically it's a concept car, right?
It IS a concept car. Totally up to you. It was made in rememberence of the 2002tii, both cars being on BMWs smallest chasis during their times. "tii" used to designate a BMW with fuel injection back when most cars were carbuerated. On the 1-series concept, it is only used as an iconic badge. History lesson over. ^-^
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Just to clarify since I spent all fucking night in bimmer haven 8), the M3 GTR is a V8. Now I got 4 cars chosen, one's not a bimmer. What's a fast time? From what I've read, the average is 1' 11." Any 1' 09"s/1' 10"s out there?
I've managed to just break the 1'10.xxx barrier with a few of the cars I've tested on a "perfect lap" and I found one Hyundai (I forget the exact model but it's a newer one) that pulled a high 1'09.xxx on a really good lap but it was eating tires like a Hungry Hippo so it didn't stay that fast for any length of time. I think the cars I've narrowed my sights on are all running low 1'11.xxx times fairly consistently, but that's on a clean track though.. no telling how much worse I'll be when there's a crowd of cars jostling for position :D.
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If anyone else is enjoying a 4-day weekend, Ill be in my lounge tuning (Currently 830 edt). Send a message before friend request so I can make space.
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did we decide what to do with the BMW Tii prize car? Is it in or out.
I have to break 1:12 I just have to, I'm tired of turning mid 1:12's and 1:13's... >:(
i need something with more grunt coming out of the corners, a little discipline wouldn't hurt either..... slow in fast out.... c'mon say it again.
I think we tested it and didn't see a major speed advantage. I'll try again tonight. But I think technically it's a concept car, right?
It IS a concept car. Totally up to you. It was made in rememberence of the 2002tii, both cars being on BMWs smallest chasis during their times. "tii" used to designate a BMW with fuel injection back when most cars were carbuerated. On the 1-series concept, it is only used as an iconic badge. History lesson over. ^-^
I thought about it some more and if we allow this concept car, we should allow all of them. I vote no. It just opens a can of worms.
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Quick, take the next left...
(http://www.insidesocal.com/tomhoffarth/can_of_worms_ahead.jpg)
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/battousaiofnphiles/GT4%20Pics/HighSpeedRing-2.jpg)
"MY" RUF is infamous.
Puff Daddy got a Ruf?
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I thought the same thing. You know me I play inside the rules.... most of the time anyway. 8)
did we decide what to do with the BMW Tii prize car? Is it in or out.
I have to break 1:12 I just have to, I'm tired of turning mid 1:12's and 1:13's... >:(
i need something with more grunt coming out of the corners, a little discipline wouldn't hurt either..... slow in fast out.... c'mon say it again.
I think we tested it and didn't see a major speed advantage. I'll try again tonight. But I think technically it's a concept car, right?
It IS a concept car. Totally up to you. It was made in rememberence of the 2002tii, both cars being on BMWs smallest chasis during their times. "tii" used to designate a BMW with fuel injection back when most cars were carbuerated. On the 1-series concept, it is only used as an iconic badge. History lesson over. ^-^
I thought about it some more and if we allow this concept car, we should allow all of them. I vote no. It just opens a can of worms.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/battousaiofnphiles/GT4%20Pics/HighSpeedRing-2.jpg)
"MY" RUF is infamous.
Puff Daddy got a Ruf?
He got a Ruf diddy? ^-^
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"MY" RUF is infamous.
Puff Daddy got a Ruf?
Diddy now?? You don't say... :copz:
:tr
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Amateur Tuning Tip/Story
I dropped into Rated-M3's lounge and he was driving (drum roll......) an M3 '04, set up to Monday's specs. He commented that it was uncontrollable in turn one (HSR-Reverse). So I get in mine, and there it is. The back end is all over the place, just like a MR car. Apparently when BMW says 'perfect balance', they're not talking about banked corners. I tried to fix this problem with MR cars in another lounge and failed. This time, I followed the pointers posted from Gar in some other thread. One idea was 'To fix mid corner oversteer, lower rear spring rate' So I did. Result: It was bad. Even worse than stock. So I went the other way. Stock was 9.1, I raised it to 12.2 - a big adjustment, but this is how I operate. It worked! I was quite surprised. It still owned the esses too. With 250hp (to get down to 450PP), it's not the fastest on the straight. Still, Rated and I ended up taking 1.5 seconds off of the lap times, making it competitive with my other cars (except the RX8 ;D)
Dude Summary: Raising the rear spring rate on BMW M3 '04 made the car stable in a fast banked corner. This Might work for MR cars....needs testing!)
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Interesting, thanks Turbo (and Rated-M3)! I'd had a similar problem with a few FR cars myself, notably a '96 Nissan 180SX and possibly my Lexus GS300 but put it down to a combination of my novice driving as I did manage to smooth it out a bit by coming in slower and not going hard on the throttle til it was "safe" but obviously that ended up in slower times. Might have to try that later, I sense some testing runs tonight :).
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Good to know! Maybe it will work for RX7s and S2000s as well, 2 cars that enjoy going ass end first a lot in that turn. :o
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Amateur Tuning Tip/Story
I dropped into Rated-M3's lounge and he was driving (drum roll......) an M3 '04, set up to Monday's specs. He commented that it was uncontrollable in turn one (HSR-Reverse). So I get in mine, and there it is. The back end is all over the place, just like a MR car. Apparently when BMW says 'perfect balance', they're not talking about banked corners. I tried to fix this problem with MR cars in another lounge and failed. This time, I followed the pointers posted from Gar in some other thread. One idea was 'To fix mid corner oversteer, lower rear spring rate' So I did. Result: It was bad. Even worse than stock. So I went the other way. Stock was 9.1, I raised it to 12.2 - a big adjustment, but this is how I operate. It worked! I was quite surprised. It still owned the esses too. With 250hp (to get down to 450PP), it's not the fastest on the straight. Still, Rated and I ended up taking 1.5 seconds off of the lap times, making it competitive with my other cars (except the RX8 ;D)
Dude Summary: Raising the rear spring rate on BMW M3 '04 made the car stable in a fast banked corner. This Might work for MR cars....needs testing!)
Yeah, I had the same problem on the NSX. I believe I tried the same approach and ended up with a stiff rear end (insert joke here). The other thing I did was add a wing. And that's when the NSX really started to dominate that track.
MS
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Amateur Tuning Confirmed
I tried the high rear spring rate on a '99 NSX Type S Zero in Monday racing spec and it worked beatufully. It instantly got into the 10s, and may have reached 160mph without a draft. (modify...this is without a wing) Basically, that's dominance by MR, as the original testers suggested. Not that I really doubted them, but my only test in a MR ended in disaster and me not wanting to see another NSX ever.
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Amateur Tuning Tip/Story
I dropped into Rated-M3's lounge and he was driving (drum roll......) an M3 '04, set up to Monday's specs. He commented that it was uncontrollable in turn one (HSR-Reverse). So I get in mine, and there it is. The back end is all over the place, just like a MR car. Apparently when BMW says 'perfect balance', they're not talking about banked corners. I tried to fix this problem with MR cars in another lounge and failed. This time, I followed the pointers posted from Gar in some other thread. One idea was 'To fix mid corner oversteer, lower rear spring rate' So I did. Result: It was bad. Even worse than stock. So I went the other way. Stock was 9.1, I raised it to 12.2 - a big adjustment, but this is how I operate. It worked! I was quite surprised. It still owned the esses too. With 250hp (to get down to 450PP), it's not the fastest on the straight. Still, Rated and I ended up taking 1.5 seconds off of the lap times, making it competitive with my other cars (except the RX8 ;D)
Dude Summary: Raising the rear spring rate on BMW M3 '04 made the car stable in a fast banked corner. This Might work for MR cars....needs testing!)
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
I was getting the same issue with the '04 M3 and tried the same thing you did by lowing the rear springs. Didn't even think to increase them. ima try that.
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Amateur Tuning Tip/Story
I dropped into Rated-M3's lounge and he was driving (drum roll......) an M3 '04, set up to Monday's specs. He commented that it was uncontrollable in turn one (HSR-Reverse). So I get in mine, and there it is. The back end is all over the place, just like a MR car. Apparently when BMW says 'perfect balance', they're not talking about banked corners. I tried to fix this problem with MR cars in another lounge and failed. This time, I followed the pointers posted from Gar in some other thread. One idea was 'To fix mid corner oversteer, lower rear spring rate' So I did. Result: It was bad. Even worse than stock. So I went the other way. Stock was 9.1, I raised it to 12.2 - a big adjustment, but this is how I operate. It worked! I was quite surprised. It still owned the esses too. With 250hp (to get down to 450PP), it's not the fastest on the straight. Still, Rated and I ended up taking 1.5 seconds off of the lap times, making it competitive with my other cars (except the RX8 ;D)
Dude Summary: Raising the rear spring rate on BMW M3 '04 made the car stable in a fast banked corner. This Might work for MR cars....needs testing!)
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
I was getting the same issue with the '04 M3 and tried the same thing you did by lowing the rear springs. Didn't even think to increase them. ima try that.
Yes, thanks turbo! I was fiddling with everything but the rear springs while following the same tuning chart. I think a different concept applies to fast corners ???. I was having 'some' luck with the dampers until you revealed the secret. Thank goodness I don't have to use that spoiler. If they had different styles, I would consider it, but the 3 available just don't sit right on the M3.
So now, turn 1 can be taken flat out, but the esses get a little tricky with the higher rear spring. I dialed out the imposed understeer with everthing else.
1' 11. 172" was my best. Chasing down a 1' 10.7xx", I can say that the M3 has the abitiy to practically out turn the faster cars, its only downfall is the straight. Which at HSR-R, the finish is a draft contest.
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Posted on RIP forum :)
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Yeah, I think I was rolling in the RX-7 with Hound and Strat battling the same thing. If I nailed the first turn I'd get through it, but too much or too little, and that back end was doing circles around me!
And much to my surprise like you, right before giving up on the car I eventually raised the back spring rate (and also I think lowered anti-roll by 1) and holy crap did that car stick all of a sudden, it started to feel almost as good if not better than the 300Z I was using! I guess bank logic is quite different than flat logic!
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Anyone want to practice? Maybe open a lobby.
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Anyone want to practice? Maybe open a lobby.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. But I can't sign in to the PSN right now for some reason. >:(
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Anyone want to practice? Maybe open a lobby.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. But I can't sign in to the PSN right now for some reason. >:(
I ended up committing to memorial day event. I was eventually able to sign in earlier.
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Is this going to be in open lobby? I'll be ready at 9 on the dot.
P.S. Weather was nice today. You could say the bitching about start times was for nothing, but I've been wanting to mention something about that for a while. I put it out there and I hope its taken into consideration for all events in the future.
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Room is up in the Open Lobby ...
Room #: 1472-6118-3701-4257-5415 <- new room!!
Come join the fun.
MS
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Trying to get in but I'm getting a "compatibility with room host" error (code 706), no idea what that's about :(.
Odd, surfed the interweb for answers then tried again and got in lol.
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Hey strat, sorry the connection was working for ya tonight. Maybe we can try 2 rooms of 12 next time. The format is awesome and I would like to see it continue.
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I think a few people were suffering from excessive lag last night and that may have been the cause of a couple of wrecks but overall I think it was a good night. I think M3 might be right about 2 rooms, seemed like the room did get full on a number of occasions.
I raced I think 5 races total, each with a different car, and had a blast for the most part. Some very close / tight racing with the RIP folks when I could keep up with them that is :). Last race was a lot of fun and surprising too as I made some last ditch untested tweaks to my '02 Silvia Spec R (S15) and I got lucky, didn't win the race and the car itself probably wasn't the fastest but the handling was spot on and I had a great battle up at the front for the whole race.
I'll try and grab some photos from the replays I saved and put them up later.
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Forgot this was gonna fall on a holiday, so I missed it. Sounds like it was a hit. I'll try to make the next one.
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I too missed this event, got home late from the kids soccer practice...
i picked up an inline 6 BMW (M3 CSL) last night that I will begin testing for next Mondays' race night.
found I had the supra RZ in the garage as well, choices choices...
Mike please confim that the beemer is legal with tuning...
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I joined in late last night (around 1030pm EST) and participated in (what I think were) the last 3 races of the evening. Had a blast! The last two races were run in the normal direction though, not reverse. Yet I was surprised how similar the lap times were.
Running close with all those cars was a lot of fun. I was a little bothered by some mid engined vehicles taking part in the races though. I'm aware there's no way to exclude MR cars but were some of the people unaware of this? I think I saw a Lexus IS-F Touring race car on my butt a few times as well... :-\
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Hey strat, sorry the connection was working for ya tonight. Maybe we can try 2 rooms of 12 next time. The format is awesome and I would like to see it continue.
Hey M3,
Good racing with you last night. And thanks to everyone that showed up. Hopefully we'll have many many more great races like this in the future. I have a couple of apologies I need to get out there. First, to everyone that showed up, I want to apologize for being unorganized. We had more folks show up than expected. And in the heat of the moment, we went with a plan B that kind of worked out ... but kind of didn't. I know a lot of folks were getting disconnected (myself included). Sorry about that. I agree with M3 above. Trying to run 16 cars is a risky proposition, as we all saw. Next time, we'll do some testing to know exactly how many cars we can legitimately handle.
I also owe a public apology to RIP_Joker. Sorry man. I swear I didn't see you on the track at all. I can only imagine what that was like on your end. Kind of funny ... but ... also sucked. So sorry about that.
Till next week,
Michael
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i picked up an inline 6 BMW (M3 CSL) last night that I will begin testing for next Mondays' race night.
Mike please confim that the beemer is legal with tuning...
M3 CSL should be legal. I used the M3 '04 and thought it was faster. However, not sure about road course. We only saw Ronin last night, no other Tunas. Where were all the Tunas at?
Great racing last night eveyone, awesome clean fun. A thousand thank you's!
- "M Powwaahhh!"
PS: Don't worry about Joker, he didn't know you couldn't see him.
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I too missed this event, got home late from the kids soccer practice...
i picked up an inline 6 BMW (M3 CSL) last night that I will begin testing for next Mondays' race night.
found I had the supra RZ in the garage as well, choices choices...
Mike please confim that the beemer is legal with tuning...
If it's a 6-cylinder, it's legal. Question is ... how do I know if it's a six or an eight? I forgot that the standard M3 is an eight cylinder.
MS
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Thanks M3.
I think I have that M3, '04 as well...
I'll be there on Monday for the next race. i didn't want to crash the party by showing up late so i ran some seasonal races and picked up my sauber finally.
I'll be practicing this week as the wife permits.
Hey send me a fr request as well.
i picked up an inline 6 BMW (M3 CSL) last night that I will begin testing for next Mondays' race night.
Mike please confim that the beemer is legal with tuning...
M3 CSL should be legal. I used the M3 '04 and thought it was faster. However, not sure about road course. We only saw Ronin last night, no other Tunas. Where were all the Tunas at?
Great racing last night eveyone, awesome clean fun. A thousand thank you's!
- "M Powwaahhh!"
PS: Don't worry about Joker, he didn't know you couldn't see him.
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I'll search BMW online to see which cars have 6 cyl powerplants in them.
I too missed this event, got home late from the kids soccer practice...
i picked up an inline 6 BMW (M3 CSL) last night that I will begin testing for next Mondays' race night.
found I had the supra RZ in the garage as well, choices choices...
Mike please confim that the beemer is legal with tuning...
If it's a 6-cylinder, it's legal. Question is ... how do I know if it's a six or an eight? I forgot that the standard M3 is an eight cylinder.
MS
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I too missed this event, got home late from the kids soccer practice...
i picked up an inline 6 BMW (M3 CSL) last night that I will begin testing for next Mondays' race night.
found I had the supra RZ in the garage as well, choices choices...
Mike please confim that the beemer is legal with tuning...
If it's a 6-cylinder, it's legal. Question is ... how do I know if it's a six or an eight? I forgot that the standard M3 is an eight cylinder.
MS
I can confirm :D
M3 '04 3.2L I6
M3 CSL '03 juiced up 3.2L I6
M3 GTR '03 4.xL V-8
Premium M3 V8
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I too missed this event, got home late from the kids soccer practice...
i picked up an inline 6 BMW (M3 CSL) last night that I will begin testing for next Mondays' race night.
found I had the supra RZ in the garage as well, choices choices...
Mike please confim that the beemer is legal with tuning...
If it's a 6-cylinder, it's legal. Question is ... how do I know if it's a six or an eight? I forgot that the standard M3 is an eight cylinder.
MS
I can confirm :D
M3 '04 3.2L I6
M3 CSL '03 juiced up 3.2L I6
M3 GTR '03 4.xL V-8
Premium M3 V8
Thanks M3, it's nice to have the resident expert racing in the series... 8)
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I can confirm :D
M3 '04 3.2L I6
M3 CSL '03 juiced up 3.2L I6
M3 GTR '03 4.xL V-8
Premium M3 V8
Awesome!!! That's why I love this site. You guys know your stuff.
MS
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Running close with all those cars was a lot of fun. I was a little bothered by some mid engined vehicles taking part in the races though. I'm aware there's no way to exclude MR cars but were some of the people unaware of this? I think I saw a Lexus IS-F Touring race car on my butt a few times as well... :-\
I think there might have been a bit of confusion about the cars allowed, I saw was an NSX in a couple of the early races that was fast but there was a Renault Clio V6 that was competitive but not overpowered even though it's an MR.
I agree with M3 above. Trying to run 16 cars is a risky proposition, as we all saw. Next time, we'll do some testing to know exactly how many cars we can legitimately handle.
I think the lag last night might have been just unlucky more than anything, the last race I ran in (was driving the black Silvia with blue wheels) had 15 people cars running in it and didn't seem too laggy to me. Was a very close race too with a couple of groups of 3-5 cars all jostling for positions for most of the race.
Maybe we can get some practice runs during the week on an off night or something to test out stability.
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I think the lag last night might have been just unlucky more than anything, the last race I ran in (was driving the black Silvia with blue wheels) had 15 people cars running in it and didn't seem too laggy to me. Was a very close race too with a couple of groups of 3-5 cars all jostling for positions for most of the race.
Maybe we can get some practice runs during the week on an off night or something to test out stability.
I don't think so. If you think about what a peer-to-peer networked game like that has to do ... the more players, the more packets that have to be sent simultaneously and received simultaneously. Your experience and mine out there were quite different. I would only see 6 cars on the track ... when there were 16. I saw cars mysteriously parked in the middle of the raceway, facing backwards that would then just disappear. I saw several drivers get disconnected. I saw cars floating in the air. And then, once I got disconnected myself, I was never able to reconnect. LOL. So on a scale of 1 to 10, I give 16 drivers with audio a 1.
Here's where I have to give credit to those guys at the TPRA. They do a lot of testing so that when they have a race, they don't have these issues. They have known hosts that, through experimentation, know how many concurrent drivers they can handle. They don't use the in-game audio communications. They instead have everyone connect via TeamSpeak, thus allowing the maximum number of drivers without incident. Just food for thought.
Swerve's a member here now. Maybe he can speak about their process in more detail. :)
MS
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By unlucky I meant it might have been local or regional network problems that were causing some people to lag or get disconnected rather than a general "too many people in the room" type lag that affected everyone. I saw a few cars skittering around with a bit of lag from time to time, even got put into the wall on the first turn by one guy who probably thought he'd passed me (but the replay shows he was lagging the whole race), but most seemed to be running smoothly that I saw.
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I think the lag last night might have been just unlucky more than anything, the last race I ran in (was driving the black Silvia with blue wheels) had 15 people cars running in it and didn't seem too laggy to me. Was a very close race too with a couple of groups of 3-5 cars all jostling for positions for most of the race.
Maybe we can get some practice runs during the week on an off night or something to test out stability.
I don't think so. If you think about what a peer-to-peer networked game like that has to do ... the more players, the more packets that have to be sent simultaneously and received simultaneously. You're experience and mine out there were quite different. I would only see 6 cars on the track ... when there were 16. I saw cars mysteriously parked in the middle of the raceway, facing backwards that would then just disappear. I saw several drivers get disconnected. I saw cars floating in the air. And then, once I got disconnected myself, I was never able to reconnect. LOL. So on a scale of 1 to 10, I give 16 drivers with audio a 1.
Here's where I have to give credit to those guys at the TPRA. They do a lot of testing so that when they have a race, they don't have these issues. They have known hosts that, through experimentation, know how many concurrent drivers they can handle. They don't use the in-game audio communications. They instead have everyone connect via TeamSpeak, thus allowing the maximum number of drivers without incident. Just food for thought.
Swerve's a member here now. Maybe he can speak about their process in more detail. :)
MS
Honestly, I think its more dependent on each players connection. We race 16 people with voice chat on the regular. I think voice chat being off may improve the experience for some. What I have noticed and no offense, are the people with lower quality connections suffer the most while others may experience some inconveniences during a race. I'm not exactly sure what makes the connection better, download/upload or ping. Hence limiting the number of players and cutting off the voice chat will improve the experience but will not completely remove the problems.
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By unlucky I meant it might have been local or regional network problems that were causing some people to lag or get disconnected rather than a general "too many people in the room" type lag that affected everyone. I saw a few cars skittering around with a bit of lag from time to time, even got put into the wall on the first turn by one guy who probably thought he'd passed me (but the replay shows he was lagging the whole race), but most seemed to be running smoothly that I saw.
I guess what I'm saying is that if we try 12 ... and everyone can race without lag ... I'd say that's a win. That's a better race experience for everyone. :jimi:
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Sorry about your troubles last night Strat. I was lucky enough to not have any issues last night (and Phreak that I'm known to have issues, lol). I noticed a little bit of lag with some other cars.
As to experimenting with setup to see how best to eliminate lag maybe we should start by disabling sound? It's nice to have sound, but I'd rather have no microphones and 16 cars instead of 10 cars with mics.
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Sorry about your troubles last night Strat. I was lucky enough to not have any issues last night (and Phreak that I'm known to have issues, lol). I noticed a little bit of lag with some other cars.
As to experimenting with setup to see how best to eliminate lag maybe we should start by disabling sound? It's nice to have sound, but I'd rather have no microphones and 16 cars instead of 10 cars with mics.
I'm willing to try anything. Again, I'll just say ... a lot of this experimentation has been done already. I believe the TP(http://tunerspit.com/images/Awards%20Images/LicenseClassA29x19X.png)RA does 12 cars per room, no audio. After lots of trial and error, that's what they found works best (if I remember correctly). Some folks with slower connections can only do 10 cars, no audio.
It seems a bit extreme, but all it takes is one car to start lagging to ruin a race real quick. Ask RIP_Joker, lol.
MS
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Hi Folks,
How hard is it to set up our own Teamspeak room/server? I'm all over racing minus the lag....
I have a NAT 2 connection and no one has told me I twitch around the tracks ecept for my mediocre driving... ^-^ :-\
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Hi Folks,
How hard is it to set up our own Teamspeak room/server? I'm all over racing minus the lag....
I have a NAT 2 connection and no one has told me I twitch around the tracks ecept for my mediocre driving... ^-^ :-\
http://sales.tritoncia.com/ts3_hosters.php (http://sales.tritoncia.com/ts3_hosters.php)
Edit: I don't know what Mumble or Mohawk is ... but looks like they are free here:
http://www.voipservers.net/ (http://www.voipservers.net/)
2nd Edit: What are these Legit_Racing Ventrillo Server boxes at the bottom of the page?
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Hi Folks,
How hard is it to set up our own Teamspeak room/server? I'm all over racing minus the lag....
I have a NAT 2 connection and no one has told me I twitch around the tracks ecept for my mediocre driving... ^-^ :-\
Technically it should be as easy as downloading and setting up the Server software then giving everyone the connection info. I've use the client version for Teamspeak 2 before for some online PC games but never actually set up a server for it, and of course it also means that racers will be able to have a PC within reach of the PS3 or at least a wireless headset that's PC compatible.
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Also, here's a link to the post with some of last night's photos :)..
http://www.supatunagt.com/smf/index.php?topic=15.msg12565#new (http://www.supatunagt.com/smf/index.php?topic=15.msg12565#new)
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Hi Folks,
How hard is it to set up our own Teamspeak room/server? I'm all over racing minus the lag....
I have a NAT 2 connection and no one has told me I twitch around the tracks ecept for my mediocre driving... ^-^ :-\
Technically it should be as easy as downloading and setting up the Server software then giving everyone the connection info. I've use the client version for Teamspeak 2 before for some online PC games but never actually set up a server for it, and of course it also means that racers will be able to have a PC within reach of the PS3 or at least a wireless headset that's PC compatible.
yes I have it on my pc as well but do we have to pay to have our own room? it might be worth a try...
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I believe it's free to set up a private server, you just need to have the server software (as opposed to the client software) and be able to set it up correctly. But how to do that I don't know, I've only ever used the client software though so I'm not sure how to actually go about setting one up.