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Title: A request from the back
Post by: LooneyTuna on July 13, 2011, 06:47:30 AM

Many things happen during races, almost all are unintentional or you just make a mistake (I should know I do it all the time).  :-[ If you happen to fall back during the race please keep going if there are still others around you if at all possible. I enjoy racing with everyone and it pains me to see people give up just because the are not in front anymore. This game is nothing without you guys, please keep going.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: TheHotstepper on July 13, 2011, 07:14:05 AM
I parked it during the second race last night (sorry, team)... I started up front and started to fade before making all kinds of contact... I slowed and waited for Sniper (I think) to rejoin and I followed him and went off and then rejoined again and was trying to blend in and get comfortable (I was pretty frustrated by this point). Then I got punted. Then I was really frustrated. I ran another lap but managed to do half of it in the dirt. So I parked it because I didn't want to chuck my controller through the TV.

There becomes a point when it's just no longer worth trying to plod around the track. I reached that point (multiple times) last night. Until then, it's always kind of annoyed me when I see people pull off and just sit there... but now I totally get it.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: Turbo-Tuna on July 13, 2011, 08:15:36 AM
It can be frustrating or baffling when a driver(s) pull over bacause they're not in contention for the lead or top few spots. There's more fun to be had than winning. Someone mentioned this in the Sucka Free Sunday thread. Sharing the track with friends is fun, win or otherwise...getting around the track fast and smooth makes it More fun.

That said, it's true that sometimes situations can be very frustrating. Whether there was a fluke accident, dumb driving, or just poor pace because of skill, car choice/setup, fatigue, whatever, there are times when going around the track isn't fun. When you're not enjoying driving, it can make the driving even uglier.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: ChromeTuna on July 13, 2011, 08:31:10 AM
"If you cause another car to lose it's place/go off track, then give your spot back to them. Pull over, wait for them to get back on the track ahead of you, then continue racing."

I've seen, and probably occassionally guilty of not following this rule. Getting taken out of contention is really frustrating, made even worse if the offending party keeps on trucking.

I also experience a good example of following this rule last night. While losing my spot from a rearending sucked big time, it was nice to see the rearender fall back with me, and I think we both wound up getting a decent finish out of it.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: LooneyTuna on July 13, 2011, 08:35:03 AM


I've seen, and probably occassionally guilty of not following this rule. Getting taken out of contention is really frustrating, made even worse if the offending party keeps on trucking.



Could this be a result of only one car giving off signs of contact? (on non major incidents)

Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: Brindle on July 13, 2011, 08:35:26 AM
It can be frustrating or baffling when a driver(s) pull over bacause they're not in contention for the lead or top few spots. There's more fun to be had than winning. Someone mentioned this in the Sucka Free Sunday thread. Sharing the track with friends is fun, win or otherwise...getting around the track fast and smooth makes it More fun.

That said, it's true that sometimes situations can be very frustrating. Whether there was a fluke accident, dumb driving, or just poor pace because of skill, car choice/setup, fatigue, whatever, there are times when going around the track isn't fun. When you're not enjoying driving, it can make the driving even uglier.

That is exactly why I sometimes pull over, or just mosey my way to the finish line.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: RoninTuna on July 13, 2011, 08:39:37 AM
The only time I park the car is when I am frustrated beyond repair, I'll pull onto pit road and regain my composure. I once parked the car from second place I was so fed up with the things behaivior. The drivers I remember participating in that race were Baked and Ucan, there where others but I remember them, I was chasing Baked and I remember most of the races where I share track space with Ucan....something about that voice of his lol.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: Feldynn on July 13, 2011, 08:48:36 AM
Even though I've not been racing online all that long (a bit over 7 weeks now, I know I'm a late bloomer :laugh) I've seen both sides to this.  Normally I'll try to finish a race even if I'm running at / near the back, though that's not an usual spot for me since I'm mediocre at best, if for no other reason that I need to practice and learn but there will always be the odd occasion when the frustration level can boil over.

For me the biggest frustration is often me, I'll find myself making little mistakes or doing silly things and in trying to fix that I'll end up making bigger more stupid errors and get mad at myself.  Usually when it's just the little stuff it's easy enough to let it slide but when it snowballs into more and bigger stuff it gets hard to see the point in continuing if all I'm going to do is fail.  And like Turbo said it's times like that (for me) when it's just not fun.

But there's always another race to look forward to :).



Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: CharlieTuna on July 13, 2011, 08:49:49 AM
I only park when my :nagnag lovely wife call me downstairs or the dogs are barking because someone is here...

I prefer chasing someone but don't mind racing alone (being married multiple times I have plenty of experience playing with myself). 



But "a request from the back"?  Sorry but I hafta laugh.  I only see you guys in the back when you're lapping me...   :jollyroger
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: GoesTuna11 on July 13, 2011, 09:03:18 AM
I usually finish races no matter where I am.  If you keep running you will usually catch up with someone else who makes a mistake.  Last night I just got fed up after a couple of bad races and then a horrible start to the last race.  It looked like I was going to end up doing all the laps by myself so I just parked it.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: DesertSniper72 on July 13, 2011, 09:27:06 AM
Last night's racing went better than last week's, but only by a little. I loved the car choice. It suited my driving style to a T and sounded effin sweet. Great choice Neptune. The first race was the best for me. The first corner looked textbook. Two wide and no ghosts shooting by, it was outstanding. I ran behind Stepper for a few laps, sorry about all those little bumps, and Wizard hot on my tail. By the time I got around the Tree Hugger, and one of the Neptunes, there just wasn't enough time to get Chrome.

The second race, I was attacked by a rabid Wombat! Coming out of turn 3 Feldynn ran wide and got in the dirt and while trying to bring it back on track blew me clean off. Wombats have a vicious bite! To be fair, I don't think anyone could have prevented that car from coming back on the track. It was a fight the rest of the race and finished midpack.

The last race I think someone slipped some acid in my water bottle. I saw cars doing things they shouldn't and Neptune fly past me at warp speed. I took a second to look at my speed and when I looked up I dropped a wheel and got to see more of Mulsanne than I wanted to. With all the funny chit happening, I just figured it was UCan's fault somehow and was content with my finish.

I noticed quite a few guys bail as soon as the checked flag waved for the final race. I knew immediately that frustration was the cause. I felt the same way last week. I don't think I was the cause of anyone's misfortune, but if so, my apologies. I work hard at racing clean and despite a few bumps here and there or a blown corner or two, I like to think I race hard, but clean. I don't hold any ill will to those that get into me, unless you make a habit of it. It happens to all of us. Having said that, I do want to mention a couple things that some seem to forget when the adrenaline is flowing and the paint is being traded.

First, if you go off track, make sure you are clear before you just come be bopping back on. Once you go off track, you forfeit positions until the track is clear. Too many times I have seen or been victim of a guy going off track and then knocking someone else off while they just absentmindedly reenter the track.

Second, if you're following someone and you know a braking zone is coming up how about giving the guy in front of you a brake, literally. Not everyone enters the brake zone in the same way and it is the responsibility of the trailing driver to avoid contact even if the leading driver brakes early or for longer. I'm sure I’m not the only one who would appreciate a little patience at certain times on the track.

Finally, I love pack racing as much as the next guy, but can we dispense with the thinking that three wide going into a corner is a good idea?

I enjoy racing with you all and look forward to every chance I get to share the track with you guys. The sportsmanship is second to none and so is the racing. I wouldn't trade it in for anything. I only mentioned these issues to raise awareness on the track. I'm just as guilty of making dumb moves on the track, so please don't feel I'm excluding myself from any of this or throwing anyone under the bus. It just seems that the frustration level has been easier to come by lately and I hate seeing guys leave a night of racing bent out of shape. Myself included.

If anyone ever has a problem with anything I have done or said, my firing range is always open. Hehe, seriously, I would hope that if anyone feels I have wronged them in anyway that they can talk to me about it. I would rather spend the time working out any issues than stewing over them.

Hope this didn't kill anyone's buzz.

Long Line Tuna's!!
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: RoninTuna on July 13, 2011, 09:45:37 AM
Second, if you're following someone and you know a braking zone is coming up how about giving the guy in front of you a brake, literally. Not everyone enters the brake zone in the same way and it is the responsibility of the trailing driver to avoid contact even if the leading driver brakes early or for longer. I'm sure I’m not the only one who would appreciate a little patience at certain times on the track.

I have not read all of the post yet so I may have more to say later but I want to add to this now. This very practice got me into trouble during the Monaco GT 500 race. I was letting off the gas to provide additional braking room for Brindle who was behind Wizard when the car behind me got into the back of me to bring out a caution. The further back in the field you are early in the race should equate to getting off the gas earlier and allowing the people infront of you to give the next guy forward that ability to give some room.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: LooneyTuna on July 13, 2011, 09:50:45 AM
Second, if you're following someone and you know a braking zone is coming up how about giving the guy in front of you a brake, literally. Not everyone enters the brake zone in the same way and it is the responsibility of the trailing driver to avoid contact even if the leading driver brakes early or for longer. I'm sure I’m not the only one who would appreciate a little patience at certain times on the track.

I have not read all of the post yet so I may have more to say later but I want to add to this now. This very practice got me into trouble during the Monaco GT 500 race. I was letting off the gas to provide additional braking room for Brindle who was behind Wizard when the car behind me got into the back of me to bring out a caution. The further back in the field you are early in the race should equate to getting off the gas earlier and allowing the people infront of you to give the next guy forward that ability to give some room.

Maybe just stagger with the person in front of you. At least then you can drive off course by yourself and not affect the driver in front or back if things get out of hand.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: ChromeTuna on July 13, 2011, 10:28:05 AM


Maybe just stagger with the person in front of you. At least then you can drive off course by yourself and not affect the driver in front or back if things get out of hand.


A lot times that's what I'll do, especially when I'm not sure where person in front of me is going to start braking.

It might look like I'm thinking about trying to pass, but I'm really I'm trying not to wreck us both.  (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: Feldynn on July 13, 2011, 10:44:54 AM
The second race, I was attacked by a rabid Wombat! Coming out of turn 3 Feldynn ran wide and got in the dirt and while trying to bring it back on track blew me clean off. Wombats have a vicious bite! To be fair, I don't think anyone could have prevented that car from coming back on the track. It was a fight the rest of the race and finished midpack.

Ahh sorry about that Sniper :(, I knew I'd hit someone and put them off but in amongst all the smoke, dust, spinning around and general failure to control on my part I didn't see who it was.  My apologies.

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First, if you go off track, make sure you are clear before you just come be bopping back on. Once you go off track, you forfeit positions until the track is clear. Too many times I have seen or been victim of a guy going off track and then knocking someone else off while they just absentmindedly reenter the track.

This is something I think I'm probably guilty of more than most right now, in the fight to control the car I sometimes forget to check the map or look around enough.  A large part of that is likely because I'm still a noob to a degree, at least compared to you guys who have been racing online since Prologue and probably in other games too, so I just don't have the experience and seat time racing with other people and some general race etiquette isn't second nature to me yet.

Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: RoninTuna on July 13, 2011, 11:09:40 AM
Second, if you're following someone and you know a braking zone is coming up how about giving the guy in front of you a brake, literally. Not everyone enters the brake zone in the same way and it is the responsibility of the trailing driver to avoid contact even if the leading driver brakes early or for longer. I'm sure I’m not the only one who would appreciate a little patience at certain times on the track.

I have not read all of the post yet so I may have more to say later but I want to add to this now. This very practice got me into trouble during the Monaco GT 500 race. I was letting off the gas to provide additional braking room for Brindle who was behind Wizard when the car behind me got into the back of me to bring out a caution. The further back in the field you are early in the race should equate to getting off the gas earlier and allowing the people infront of you to give the next guy forward that ability to give some room.
Maybe just stagger with the person in front of you. At least then you can drive off course by yourself and not affect the driver in front or back if things get out of hand.

Some tracks that is not a viable option, never the less I have practiced this on many occations as well. There have been times where I have been bitched at for it, but this is one practice I am not going to discontinue. Some people misconstrue it as "overly agressive" or "stepping out of line as though to make a pass and not passing". One issue with tracks like Monaco, Madrid and other City courses is there is mimimal run off if any at all. there are also places like turn one at Indy RC, turn one at Daytona RC, the entire first secter of the furburgerring north course where the primary line would require one to move to the inside in order to stager which usually causes quite the clusterfuck, trust me I have caused a massive problems at two out of three of those tracks trying to stager with the car infront of me.

Another difficulty in this is the blind spots, most notably early in the race I have a consern about stepping out of line. I'm afraid there some one is in my blind spot and moving over would pinch them off the raceway, nine times out of ten there is some one there.



This brings up another bitch I have...[Rant aborted falling off subject]
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: GoesTuna11 on July 13, 2011, 11:27:11 AM

Another difficulty in this is the blind spots, most notably early in the race I have a consern about stepping out of line. I'm afraid there some one is in my blind spot and moving over would pinch them off the raceway, nine times out of ten there is some one there.


What blind spots?  Look to the side before you move over.  Then you know if someone is there or not.  You should do you best to know where everyone is around you.

Whether you use the step out option or give space or whatever, it is the following cars responsibility NOT to hit the car in front.  On a previous race I commented about hitting Turbo more than once.  He replied something about him not knowing the braking points.  Doesn't matter, the contact was still my fault.

This brings up another comment.  I've noticed an increase in people sticking their nose where it doesn't belong in corners.  If you are not able to get almost complete overlap before the braking zone, ANY contact in the corner is your fault.

To be clear, my above comments have little to do with my frustration last night which was mostly due to my driving.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: RoninTuna on July 13, 2011, 11:40:03 AM
The second race, I was attacked by a rabid Wombat! Coming out of turn 3 Feldynn ran wide and got in the dirt and while trying to bring it back on track blew me clean off. Wombats have a vicious bite! To be fair, I don't think anyone could have prevented that car from coming back on the track. It was a fight the rest of the race and finished midpack.

Ahh sorry about that Sniper :(, I knew I'd hit someone and put them off but in amongst all the smoke, dust, spinning around and general failure to control on my part I didn't see who it was.  My apologies.

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First, if you go off track, make sure you are clear before you just come be bopping back on. Once you go off track, you forfeit positions until the track is clear. Too many times I have seen or been victim of a guy going off track and then knocking someone else off while they just absentmindedly reenter the track.

This is something I think I'm probably guilty of more than most right now, in the fight to control the car I sometimes forget to check the map or look around enough.  A large part of that is likely because I'm still a noob to a degree, at least compared to you guys who have been racing online since Prologue and probably in other games too, so I just don't have the experience and seat time racing with other people and some general race etiquette isn't second nature to me yet.



Believe it or not race etiquette is something that can be learned through reading, however as you have already stated putting it into practice takes experience. Now something that did not cross my mind until reasently is that all forms of racing etiquette can be practiced off line agenst the AI who will not get in your face after the race. That is where I practice all my dirty racing as well as proper etiquette. I choose one or two cars and race it clean...everyone else must die. This gives me ample time both on track and in the tulies where I can work on my passing, falling in line as well as reentry.

One of the things I find works very well for reentry, if you get the car collected without loosing too much momentum, what you want to do is run parrallel to the track surface and merge into the track at or as close to speed as possible just like you would on the freeway IRL. Do this every time weather you are surounded or by your self. When you completely dump the car you have already come to a stand still so you can stop check everything going on and enter when you see it's safe.

This brings up another point of etiquette that many miss. When people do go off track, especially minor off track excursons the drivers coming up on to the car thet went off track are supposed to give room for the driver who went off to re enter. I can't tell howmany times I have been trying to re enter the track and other drivers are taking my mirrors off when they have not only twenty feet of roadway but ample time to move over there. When you see someone is off track, move over and give them some room to get back on. You run less chance of getting collected and turning a minor inncodent into a major wreck and the other guy will apprieciate the chance to get back into the race.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: RoninTuna on July 13, 2011, 11:43:47 AM

Another difficulty in this is the blind spots, most notably early in the race I have a consern about stepping out of line. I'm afraid there some one is in my blind spot and moving over would pinch them off the raceway, nine times out of ten there is some one there.


What blind spots?  Look to the side before you move over.  Then you know if someone is there or not.  You should do you best to know where everyone is around you.

Whether you use the step out option or give space or whatever, it is the following cars responsibility NOT to hit the car in front.  On a previous race I commented about hitting Turbo more than once.  He replied something about him not knowing the braking points.  Doesn't matter, the contact was still my fault.

This brings up another comment.  I've noticed an increase in people sticking their nose where it doesn't belong in corners.  If you are not able to get almost complete overlap before the braking zone, ANY contact in the corner is your fault.

To be clear, my above comments have little to do with my frustration last night which was mostly due to my driving.

I under stand your point but keep in mind, I am working with a DS3 controller, my button configuration requires both hands, removing my hand to use the look side to side causes major problems at current. it's almost garenteed for me to mis the turn in or the braking point when trying to look to the side.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: dlrws6 on July 13, 2011, 11:53:28 AM

Another difficulty in this is the blind spots, most notably early in the race I have a consern about stepping out of line. I'm afraid there some one is in my blind spot and moving over would pinch them off the raceway, nine times out of ten there is some one there.


What blind spots?  Look to the side before you move over.  Then you know if someone is there or not.  You should do you best to know where everyone is around you.

Whether you use the step out option or give space or whatever, it is the following cars responsibility NOT to hit the car in front.  On a previous race I commented about hitting Turbo more than once.  He replied something about him not knowing the braking points.  Doesn't matter, the contact was still my fault.

This brings up another comment.  I've noticed an increase in people sticking their nose where it doesn't belong in corners.  If you are not able to get almost complete overlap before the braking zone, ANY contact in the corner is your fault.

To be clear, my above comments have little to do with my frustration last night which was mostly due to my driving.

I can't speak for Ronin, but I drive cockpit view and there are definitely blind spots. Even when I use look left and right and the mirrors. Heck the A-pillar on several of the cars has caused me many an issue when trying to hit apexes. I can also argue that looking left and right is not always a valid solution.  I do it when ever possible, but barreling into the brake zone of a tight turn next to another car leaves very little time to look around not to mention the fact that the way the camera pans can be a very disorienting experience for some.  I've had situations in the past were looking over made the situation worse than if I had continued to look forward and guesstimated the space between me and the competitor.

I've also heard the argument that using the bumper camera is better. I personally disagree. For me, I loose all reference to the approximate dimensions of my car, increasing my chance of ramming or colliding with some one.

All in all the simple fact is we all drive differently and we all share the same track and have to adapt the best that we can to each others behavior. Not to mention keep in mind that the same issues we have with some of these tracks are the same issues that the professionals have with their real world counterparts. Perhaps we all need to step back and remember that its just a race. We win, we lose, accidents are going to happen and none of it matters so we should all just have fun and each do our best to minimize accidents.

Oh well... I rambling... just ignore me.  (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: ChromeTuna on July 13, 2011, 11:55:02 AM

Another difficulty in this is the blind spots, most notably early in the race I have a consern about stepping out of line. I'm afraid there some one is in my blind spot and moving over would pinch them off the raceway, nine times out of ten there is some one there.


What blind spots?  Look to the side before you move over.  Then you know if someone is there or not.  You should do you best to know where everyone is around you.

Whether you use the step out option or give space or whatever, it is the following cars responsibility NOT to hit the car in front.  On a previous race I commented about hitting Turbo more than once.  He replied something about him not knowing the braking points.  Doesn't matter, the contact was still my fault.

This brings up another comment.  I've noticed an increase in people sticking their nose where it doesn't belong in corners.  If you are not able to get almost complete overlap before the braking zone, ANY contact in the corner is your fault.

To be clear, my above comments have little to do with my frustration last night which was mostly due to my driving.

I under stand your point but keep in mind, I am working with a DS3 controller, my button configuration requires both hands, removing my hand to use the look side to side causes major problems at current. it's almost garenteed for me to mis the turn in or the braking point when trying to look to the side.

Don't blame the controller, I'm using the same thing, AND manual trans, and still I'm able to look around.  :P

 :laugh
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: dlrws6 on July 13, 2011, 11:56:09 AM

Another difficulty in this is the blind spots, most notably early in the race I have a consern about stepping out of line. I'm afraid there some one is in my blind spot and moving over would pinch them off the raceway, nine times out of ten there is some one there.


What blind spots?  Look to the side before you move over.  Then you know if someone is there or not.  You should do you best to know where everyone is around you.

Whether you use the step out option or give space or whatever, it is the following cars responsibility NOT to hit the car in front.  On a previous race I commented about hitting Turbo more than once.  He replied something about him not knowing the braking points.  Doesn't matter, the contact was still my fault.

This brings up another comment.  I've noticed an increase in people sticking their nose where it doesn't belong in corners.  If you are not able to get almost complete overlap before the braking zone, ANY contact in the corner is your fault.

To be clear, my above comments have little to do with my frustration last night which was mostly due to my driving.

I under stand your point but keep in mind, I am working with a DS3 controller, my button configuration requires both hands, removing my hand to use the look side to side causes major problems at current. it's almost garenteed for me to mis the turn in or the braking point when trying to look to the side.

Don't blame the controller, I'm using the same thing, AND manual trans, and still I'm able to look around.  :P

 :laugh
:stoopid:
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: Brindle on July 13, 2011, 12:02:36 PM

Another difficulty in this is the blind spots, most notably early in the race I have a consern about stepping out of line. I'm afraid there some one is in my blind spot and moving over would pinch them off the raceway, nine times out of ten there is some one there.


What blind spots?  Look to the side before you move over.  Then you know if someone is there or not.  You should do you best to know where everyone is around you.

Whether you use the step out option or give space or whatever, it is the following cars responsibility NOT to hit the car in front.  On a previous race I commented about hitting Turbo more than once.  He replied something about him not knowing the braking points.  Doesn't matter, the contact was still my fault.

This brings up another comment.  I've noticed an increase in people sticking their nose where it doesn't belong in corners.  If you are not able to get almost complete overlap before the braking zone, ANY contact in the corner is your fault.

To be clear, my above comments have little to do with my frustration last night which was mostly due to my driving.

I under stand your point but keep in mind, I am working with a DS3 controller, my button configuration requires both hands, removing my hand to use the look side to side causes major problems at current. it's almost garenteed for me to mis the turn in or the braking point when trying to look to the side.

Don't blame the controller, I'm using the same thing, AND manual trans, and still I'm able to look around.  :P

 :laugh
:stoopid:

:stoopid: :stoopid:
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: Brindle on July 13, 2011, 12:06:22 PM
There are too many ways to look at these issues.  GT11 had a great point.  It is the follower that must NOT hit the car in front, no matter when they brake.  However, it can get/be very annoying and difficult to anticipate at times and can cause many bumping issues.

 :-\  We all seem to agree enough with each other to hang around and race every single night.  We just aren't perfect.  :)
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: LooneyTuna on July 13, 2011, 12:14:19 PM
I think it just comes down to skills. Some have more than others and when you mix skills, racing in close proximity gets harder.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: Wiz on July 13, 2011, 12:20:15 PM
All in all the simple fact is we all drive differently and we all share the same track and have to adapt the best that we can to each others behavior. Not to mention keep in mind that the same issues we have with some of these tracks are the same issues that the professionals have with their real world counterparts. Perhaps we all need to step back and remember that its just a race. We win, we lose, accidents are going to happen and none of it matters so we should all just have fun and each do our best to minimize accidents.

(http://i.imgur.com/kFDI8WD.gif)
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: DesertSniper72 on July 13, 2011, 12:20:42 PM

Another difficulty in this is the blind spots, most notably early in the race I have a consern about stepping out of line. I'm afraid there some one is in my blind spot and moving over would pinch them off the raceway, nine times out of ten there is some one there.


What blind spots?  Look to the side before you move over.  Then you know if someone is there or not.  You should do you best to know where everyone is around you.

Whether you use the step out option or give space or whatever, it is the following cars responsibility NOT to hit the car in front.  On a previous race I commented about hitting Turbo more than once.  He replied something about him not knowing the braking points.  Doesn't matter, the contact was still my fault.

This brings up another comment.  I've noticed an increase in people sticking their nose where it doesn't belong in corners.  If you are not able to get almost complete overlap before the braking zone, ANY contact in the corner is your fault.

To be clear, my above comments have little to do with my frustration last night which was mostly due to my driving.

I under stand your point but keep in mind, I am working with a DS3 controller, my button configuration requires both hands, removing my hand to use the look side to side causes major problems at current. it's almost garenteed for me to mis the turn in or the braking point when trying to look to the side.

Don't blame the controller, I'm using the same thing, AND manual trans, and still I'm able to look around.  :P

 :laugh
:stoopid:



:stoopid: :stoopid:
:stoopid: & :stoopid: & :stoopid: Except I use an automatic

This brings up another point of etiquette that many miss. When people do go off track, especially minor off track excursons the drivers coming up on to the car thet went off track are supposed to give room for the driver who went off to re enter. I can't tell howmany times I have been trying to re enter the track and other drivers are taking my mirrors off when they have not only twenty feet of roadway but ample time to move over there. When you see someone is off track, move over and give them some room to get back on. You run less chance of getting collected and turning a minor inncodent into a major wreck and the other guy will apprieciate the chance to get back into the race.

I disagree. You don't reenter unless it's clear. Why should a driver who didn't go off have to give you room to reenter. Granted, if there is room, I try to make room, but I don't have to. You go off, you pay the price.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: Feldynn on July 13, 2011, 12:21:08 PM
Speaking of controllers I too use the standard DS3, recently I was thinking of changing the buttons around but I can't seem to figure out how to organise them.

Currently I use L2 / R2 for shifting, thumb sticks for steering (left) and gas / brake (right).  I've got Look Back set as L1 and all the look commands set to the D-Pad (left = left, right = right, down = rear view).  I'd thought about setting L1 and R1 to Look Left / Right but that would mean relocating Look Back which is probably the one I use most often, maybe I should use that one less though compared to Left / Right?

I've thought about making one of the stick buttons Look Back, but I can see that being more annoying as there's a good chance of hitting it by accident.  Horn or wipers are significantly less awkward than the screen suddenly flashing to the rear view :D.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: CharlieTuna on July 13, 2011, 12:31:19 PM

This brings up another point of etiquette that many miss. When people do go off track, especially minor off track excursons the drivers coming up on to the car thet went off track are supposed to give room for the driver who went off to re enter. I can't tell howmany times I have been trying to re enter the track and other drivers are taking my mirrors off when they have not only twenty feet of roadway but ample time to move over there. When you see someone is off track, move over and give them some room to get back on. You run less chance of getting collected and turning a minor inncodent into a major wreck and the other guy will apprieciate the chance to get back into the race.

I disagree. You don't reenter unless it's clear. Why should a driver who didn't go off have to give you room to reenter. Granted, if there is room, I try to make room, but I don't have to. You go off, you pay the price.

:agreed   I am with Sniper on this one... 

Often times you might see me pulled over (off track) when y'all pass.  (Most of the time...) I got over there intentionally to get the :fuck outta y'all's way.  I get real nervous when one of the big dawgs comes up behind me so if I see them coming in advance - I get out of the way.  I really don't want to :fuck up anyone's race.

So definitely don't wait for me to re-enter or you might sit there for a bit.  I can be very :fuck ing patient... 
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: Wiz on July 13, 2011, 12:43:57 PM
I'd just like to take this opportunity to say this... when I cause an accident, I absolutely positively 100% guarantee that I'm way more pissed off at myself than whoever I wrecked is at me.  I :fuck ing hate when I cause accidents.  
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: Neptune on July 13, 2011, 12:49:58 PM
Feldynn, what you described in your last paragraph is the perfect controller set-up. I'll share mine, which I've refined over the last few years.

steering - left analog
gas/brake - right analog
shift down/up - L2/R2
Look left/right - L1/R1 this is very important, allows you to quickly check your blind spots with a tap of a button
Look back - L3, you might accidentally steer at first, but you'll get used to it.
Handbrake - X, you may need it if you understeer way into a corner.
That leaves the d-pad and triangle, square etc buttons as horn/wipers etc.

Regarding following a guy into a corner, there's a good technique that minimizes contact without staggering. When your approaching the corner, before the braking point (which is always different... I don't really use braking points besides tracks like Fuji, just look into the corner and sense your speed and ability to stop, and you'll nail your braking point) get on the brakes, but very light. Just 10% brakes. When the guy in front slams on his brakes, you can instantly apply as much brake as you need - without having to waste time getting off the gas and starting to brake.

This allows you to follow a guy closely while minimizing the risk of punting.

You'd think you would lose a lot of speed this way, but it's not true. GT5 really rewards you for light braking.

And I somewhat agree with Ronin regarding giving someone room to go off. We've all been there. You could start first, drop a wheel in the sand and the whole field is going to pass you. I'm not saying it should be mandatory that everyone gives you room, but just have some courtesy and help the guy out if you can. It's not like weaving 10 feet to the side (if you have the space) will cost you much time, but it could save you precious seconds if it prevents an accident.

Also, remember shit happens. We are all here just to have some fun racing. Sometimes it's your fault sometimes it's not, just try to make the best out of it. Everybody's had the night where they are too frustrated to continue racing.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: Neptune on July 13, 2011, 12:55:12 PM
I forgot to add something.

Why do so many people insist on going full-out at the start of the race? Last night was an exception - turn 1 at Grand Valley went pretty smooth. But most other times somebody has to cause an accident because they feel the need to gain 5 positions in the first few corners.

Sometimes I just hang back at the start and wait for the inevitable accident of tire screeching and smoke to happen, then I just pass the field and I'm in the top 5.

Just relax in the beginning. That's right, relax. Follow the guy in front, be ready because he's going to brake early. And the farther you are in the back the earlier you will need to brake. Turn 1 is like a traffic jam. Just be patient, when you get through the first few corners and the field starts to spread then you can work on overtaking.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: DesertSniper72 on July 13, 2011, 12:59:43 PM
See what you started Looney. (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: ChromeTuna on July 13, 2011, 01:07:35 PM

steering - left analog
gas/brake - right analog
shift down/up - L2/R2
Look left/right - L1/R1 this is very important, allows you to quickly check your blind spots with a tap of a button
Look back - L3, you might accidentally steer at first, but you'll get used to it.
Handbrake - X, you may need it if you understeer way into a corner.
That leaves the d-pad and triangle, square etc buttons as horn/wipers etc.



I've tried numerous times to use the right stick for gas/brake, but it seems to awkward to me, so I stick with the old school layout.

left stick=steering
right stick=gas/brake, but unused
X=gas
square=brake
triangle=reverse
circle=handbrake
L1/R1=look left/right
L2/R2=shift down/up
d-pad down=look back
d-pad L/R=hi beams
L3=horn
R3=wipers

Other than the addition of horns, hi beams and wipers, I've used this same setup since GT1.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: Neptune on July 13, 2011, 01:10:05 PM
Any time you change something you'll quickly want to change it back. Just stick with it for a while and you'll adjust.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: LooneyTuna on July 13, 2011, 01:16:47 PM

Why do so many people insist on going full-out at the start of the race?



This may be because when you start way in the back it may be your only chance to get up front. If you hang back the leaders are screaming ahead without any traffic while you wait for something that may or may not happen and fall further behind. If you are towards the front there is also less chance of getting caught up in "the big one" as well. I don't condone overly aggressive driving at the start, you still have to be smart about it, but if/when the opportunity presents itself I will try to take it with clean driving top priority. Like Wizard, I hate to cause accidents and usually don't try this maneuver to prevent possible issues.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: CharlieTuna on July 13, 2011, 02:27:47 PM
When it comes to controller settings, I disagree with brake/accelerate...

I map them to the L2/R2 - which are variable; allowing for more range of control.  I shift with L1/R1. and use my d-pad for the same controls as my DFGT...

With that setup I can easily migrate from wheel to controller and back... 

I find the only real differences being:

1) It's harder to bump me from the side and have an effect when using the wheel.  hand are balanced on both side.  Whereas on the controller I can't guard both sides with one thumb...

2) It's infinitely easier/faster to get out of "kitty litter" with a controll than a wheel.


IMHO.  YMMV.  (http://i.imgur.com/hcqc0vy.gif)
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: Brindle on July 13, 2011, 02:52:12 PM
All these different controller configs is pretty cool.  Here's what I've used since prologue.

left stick - steering
right stick - gas/brake
X - reverse
square - look behind (i have long fingers)
triangle - ghost
circle - e brake
L1/R1 - shift down/up
L2/R2 - look left/right
L3 - RA select (bring up RA menu)
d-pad up/down - RA menu select (pick tcs, asm, torque, abs, front/rear bias)
d-pad left/right - RA adjust -/+
R3 - horn

Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: Boston77Bruins on July 13, 2011, 02:56:54 PM
his brings up another point of etiquette that many miss. When people do go off track, especially minor off track excursons the drivers coming up on to the car thet went off track are supposed to give room for the driver who went off to re enter. I can't tell howmany times I have been trying to re enter the track and other drivers are taking my mirrors off when they have not only twenty feet of roadway but ample time to move over there. When you see someone is off track, move over and give them some room to get back on. You run less chance of getting collected and turning a minor inncodent into a major wreck and the other guy will apprieciate the chance to get back into the race.



^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
I have to disagree 100% here.

You went off and now you want back in?  That's my racing line now.  I filled that spot on the racing surface with my car.  Your car is not on the racing surface.  You have no right to enter until it's clear.

I agree with sniper.  I will make every attempt to give you some room, but not at the expense of my racing line, my speed or upsetting the attitude of my car.  

I have wrecked my damn self because people entered when they shouldn't  have.  
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: GoesTuna11 on July 13, 2011, 03:06:39 PM

Why do so many people insist on going full-out at the start of the race?



This may be because when you start way in the back it may be your only chance to get up front. If you hang back the leaders are screaming ahead without any traffic while you wait for something that may or may not happen and fall further behind. If you are towards the front there is also less chance of getting caught up in "the big one" as well. I don't condone overly aggressive driving at the start, you still have to be smart about it, but if/when the opportunity presents itself I will try to take it with clean driving top priority. Like Wizard, I hate to cause accidents and usually don't try this maneuver to prevent possible issues.

Every start is different, but my strategy is to take off as fast as I can to take as many positions on the straight before the first corner.  The key is that you have to expect that you are going to be side by side in the first corner so you need to slow down enough to do that.  Other than that, I watch the traffic in front of me.  There is no sense trying to pass when cars ahead are starting to "clump" up together.  Then I just hang back a little and avoid any mayhem that ensues.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: Feldynn on July 13, 2011, 03:12:42 PM
I think I'll try shuffling my "Look.." buttons around, I've never been comfortable using the thumbstick buttons for "press and hold" functions so I'll probably end up with a modificated version of Chrome's / Brindle's setup.  It'll take some getting used to but I think I can manage having look back as DOWN or maybe X or something much easier than L3 or R3. :)
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: nosoks on July 13, 2011, 04:29:31 PM
 :stoopid:
sorry, I know I often break too early, it's cuz I'm paranoid about running into someone
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: GoesTuna11 on July 13, 2011, 05:45:47 PM
:stoopid:
sorry, I know I often break too early, it's cuz I'm paranoid about running into someone

Don't be sorry.  That is exactly what you should do.  Drive within your abilities.  If that means braking a little early, that's what you do.  People shouldn't be afraid of being slow.  Drive within your abilities and everyone should be happy.  You will still make mistakes but as long as you are trying your best to be clean, people should be fine with it.  To me, the reason people should wait if they cause an accident isn't so much so they don't gain advantage but because it is a way of saying your sorry and that you didn't mean it.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: Turbo-Tuna on July 13, 2011, 05:49:35 PM
I will make every attempt to give you some room, but not at the expense of my racing line, my speed or upsetting the attitude of my car.  

I have wrecked my damn self because people entered when they shouldn't  have.  

this^

The first sector of the Turtlering is terrible cars re-entering on lap 1. It's the worst part about going there in 'open lobby'
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: Neptune on July 13, 2011, 06:03:52 PM
Brake too early = Lose 0.2 seconds

Brake too late, and wait for the person you put in the kitty litter = Lose 20 seconds.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: TheHotstepper on July 13, 2011, 06:23:24 PM
Brake too early = Lose 0.2 seconds

Brake too late, and wait for the person you put in the kitty litter = Lose 20 seconds.

 :stoopid:

That's pretty much my philosophy

Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: LooneyTuna on July 14, 2011, 12:19:49 PM
See what you started Looney. (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)

A button setup discussion?  (http://i.imgur.com/LmjyBgx.gif)

Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: CharlieTuna on July 14, 2011, 12:21:27 PM
See what you started Looney. (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)

A button setup discussion?  (http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/james_mikel/STGT%20forum/lol1.gif)

I like cufflinks!   :-*
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: Boston77Bruins on February 27, 2012, 10:55:39 AM
I reread it.  I think some should as well.

Where has courtesy gone? 

I know other racing organizations have changed how they do things.  In the TPRA and a few other organizations, you do not pull over after you launch someone off the track.  They continue on with repercussions dealt with after the race.  That rule doesn't apply to 99% of our races. 
We are the TUNAS.  We have different rules.  We pull over if we knock someone off (most of us). We wait for the track to clear before entering,  we are polite and respectful to our fellow racers.  We used to put a priority on FUN OVER WINNING.  That doesn't seem the case sometimes.  It's, "I gotta get to the front no matter the cost" mentality that is poking its head in more and more and I don't understand what has changed to get here.

One last request.   Please, please, please keep chatter to a minimum during a race.  It is really rude holding a conversation with someone,  just randomly talking, or informing us of what just happened to you on track, like dropping a tire in the grass and wiping out.   Racers need to communicate with other racers (you are clear or sorry for the bump, etc.)  Racers also like to hear car noise- tire squeal, shift points, engine noise.  They cant do it or its difficult to do because the air is filled with conversation.  Talk until you are blue in the face between races, but please, keep it down during the race. 

OK, my rant is over. 

Courtesy Police :)


Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: DudeTuna on February 27, 2012, 11:06:49 AM
I reread it.  I think some should as well.

Where has courtesy gone? 

I know other racing organizations have changed how they do things.  In the TPRA and a few other organizations, you do not pull over after you launch someone off the track.  They continue on with repercussions dealt with after the race.  That rule doesn't apply to 99% of our races. 
We are the TUNAS.  We have different rules.  We pull over if we knock someone off (most of us). We wait for the track to clear before entering,  we are polite and respectful to our fellow racers.  We used to put a priority on FUN OVER WINNING.  That doesn't seem the case sometimes.  It's, "I gotta get to the front no matter the cost" mentality that is poking its head in more and more and I don't understand what has changed to get here.

One last request.   Please, please, please keep chatter to a minimum during a race.  It is really rude holding a conversation with someone,  just randomly talking, or informing us of what just happened to you on track, like dropping a tire in the grass and wiping out.   Racers need to communicate with other racers (you are clear or sorry for the bump, etc.)  Racers also like to hear car noise- tire squeal, shift points, engine noise.  They cant do it or its difficult to do because the air is filled with conversation.  Talk until you are blue in the face between races, but please, keep it down during the race. 

OK, my rant is over. 

Courtesy Police :)




this^

A very good reminder Boston. Keep it fun.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: RickS95 on February 27, 2012, 11:42:56 AM
I reread it.  I think some should as well.

Where has courtesy gone? 

I know other racing organizations have changed how they do things.  In the TPRA and a few other organizations, you do not pull over after you launch someone off the track.  They continue on with repercussions dealt with after the race.  That rule doesn't apply to 99% of our races. 
We are the TUNAS.  We have different rules.  We pull over if we knock someone off (most of us). We wait for the track to clear before entering,  we are polite and respectful to our fellow racers.  We used to put a priority on FUN OVER WINNING.  That doesn't seem the case sometimes.  It's, "I gotta get to the front no matter the cost" mentality that is poking its head in more and more and I don't understand what has changed to get here.

One last request.   Please, please, please keep chatter to a minimum during a race.  It is really rude holding a conversation with someone,  just randomly talking, or informing us of what just happened to you on track, like dropping a tire in the grass and wiping out.   Racers need to communicate with other racers (you are clear or sorry for the bump, etc.)  Racers also like to hear car noise- tire squeal, shift points, engine noise.  They cant do it or its difficult to do because the air is filled with conversation.  Talk until you are blue in the face between races, but please, keep it down during the race. 

OK, my rant is over. 

Courtesy Police :)




I agree with a lot of this.  Most of the time now, I'm finding myself simply taking off my headphone and putting it on the shelf next to me because I can't hear my car.  From time to time I hear things that are entertaining.  One time somebody went to take a piss and didn't hit the mute button.  That provided some laughs.  Another time I heard a wife in the background cussing up a storm.  But in general, I'd rather just hear my tire noises and the rev of the engine.

I too have noticed the desire to be in the lead after the first turn has gotten a bit worse lately.  Sometimes I get caught up in it but mostly I just sit back in the back and let half the field take themselves out. 

The one thing I actually like that the other places are doing is the no pulling over after an incident.  I hate it when I put a tire in the grass and spin (and it happens a lot), only to find someone pull over and apologize for tapping me.  On the flip side, I hate when I pull over after I think I hit someone and they explain they were totally at fault and I never touched them.  I think unless you knock the guy into next week, you should just keep on going.  This is hard to police, so I'm saying it here for everyone...if you hit me, just keep on going.  Chances are I was going to crash soon any way.  The only time you need to pull over for me is if we're at DRC, because that's the only course I've got a chance to win at and I'll need a drafting partner to get back in it.

There is one more thing, can we please do something about the timer thingy at the end of the race.  I get bored and frustrated waiting two minutes for a race to end because someone parked their car in the grass because their race sucked.  Even a minute is too long, but I can live with that.  I mean it is really important that people battle to the end for 8rd place?

Ok, Rick's rant is over.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: DudeTuna on February 27, 2012, 12:50:00 PM
I don't mind the extra finish time and I actually need it sometimes. And yes I enjoy racing to the end no matter what place I'm in. If I manage to finish near the front that just gives me time to mix another drink.  :)
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: Boston77Bruins on February 27, 2012, 03:25:10 PM
I don't mind the extra finish time and I actually need it sometimes. And yes I enjoy racing to the end no matter what place I'm in. If I manage to finish near the front that just gives me time to mix another drink.  :)


 :stoopid:
Sadly, I have to agree, as I am usually that 8rd place person. :(
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: RickS95 on February 27, 2012, 03:48:56 PM
I don't mind the extra finish time and I actually need it sometimes. And yes I enjoy racing to the end no matter what place I'm in. If I manage to finish near the front that just gives me time to mix another drink.  :)


 :stoopid:
Sadly, I have to agree, as I am usually that 8rd place person. :(

Boston, I saw you sniffing the lead pack's butt a couple times in one race at Grand Valley. 

I still vote to make the timer thingy less, no more than minute. 
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: EX_stream_tuna on February 27, 2012, 03:53:16 PM
I agree people should try to finish unless doing so is just outside of their mental state at the moment.  I understand being frustrated, but I look at it as you have to make the best out of a bad situation.

during that first TunaCup season#4 race where we had the lag bug.  I was in dead last and still finished (which got me a few places ahead)

sometimes I feel that people quit because they don't want you to have a legit win against them, and if it's supposed to be about fun anyways, then why care about this?  That's just the appearance that I get from some really good racers that sometimes quit when someone like me is unexpectedly ahead of them and they can't figure out why.

I ain't the fastest, but everyone here knows I can pull a surprise out of my hat and beat just about anyone at least once if we race ten times in a row.  If I do happen to get a win, please just let me have it!  Don't steal it away by quitting unless you absolutely have to for whatever reasons you believe are worth it.

My best moments racing have been where I get in a bad situation and stick it out and learn something in the process.

During last week's 90s japanese race, it was clear turbo was going to win, and I was feeling bummed at first.  Then I realized, hey, this guy is just faster than me and I need to hold 2nd or that would be even worse.  I held it and found a silver lining in the fact that I obtained my best lap of all during the end of the race.

On Mics, I'm split on it.  It's really good to be able to have a little chatter that is not necessarily directly related to the race at hand, but some people have horrible phone etiquette and can't figure out what to broadcast and what to keep to themselves.

I say, use mics - even during a race - and then we can provide constructive feedback about when it is too much.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: EX_stream_tuna on February 27, 2012, 03:56:35 PM
I don't mind the extra finish time and I actually need it sometimes. And yes I enjoy racing to the end no matter what place I'm in. If I manage to finish near the front that just gives me time to mix another drink.  :)


 :stoopid:
Sadly, I have to agree, as I am usually that 8rd place person. :(

Boston, I saw you sniffing the lead pack's butt a couple times in one race at Grand Valley. 

I still vote to make the timer thingy less, no more than minute. 

i'm of the opinion that it should match the length of the race.  shorter races certainly don't need 3:00 to finish.  Or that is, if someone does require 3:00 to finish, they do not have the privilege of keeping everyone else just sitting there waiting for them.

In a 30+ lap race, however, I feel that 3:00 is good.  I can forsee some races where having more than 3:00 to finish would be good as well, such as those where we t ry to simulate a 24hr race in a couple hours.

Proportionate to race length is all I ask...
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: RickS95 on February 27, 2012, 04:05:33 PM


During last week's 90s japanese race, it was clear turbo was going to win, and I was feeling bummed at first.  Then I realized, hey, this guy is just faster than me and I need to hold 2nd or that would be even worse.  I held it and found a silver lining in the fact that I obtained my best lap of all during the end of the race.



What's up with this Turbo guy lately?  He ran his ass off on Saturday night and seems to be making a habit of it.  At Grand Valley, he was a machine.  Before the second race, he and I were running Q laps and you could hear the wind being knocked out of him when the race timer started the countdown because he was running well ahead of the fastest time.

During the several races there, a two minute lap was awfully good.  Anyone cracking a 59 was rightfully proud or using the draft.  In my final race of the night, as we approached the final checkpoint, I looked at the timer and said to myself, "holy shit."  About that same time, I heard Turbo say "oh my God" and I knew he was seeing the same thing I was seeing.  I ran 1:59.106 and didn't gain even a tenth.  I think his time was 1:59.139 or something like that.  I was behind him the whole time.  I'm not sure if he was able to use the draft at the end of the previous lap and held his speed when he passed to start that lap, but from the first turn on, he had no draft because there was nowhere I could get by him.  He ran a stupid fast lap on his own.  You fast guys make me sick.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: RickS95 on February 27, 2012, 04:07:24 PM
I don't mind the extra finish time and I actually need it sometimes. And yes I enjoy racing to the end no matter what place I'm in. If I manage to finish near the front that just gives me time to mix another drink.  :)


 :stoopid:
Sadly, I have to agree, as I am usually that 8rd place person. :(

Boston, I saw you sniffing the lead pack's butt a couple times in one race at Grand Valley. 

I still vote to make the timer thingy less, no more than minute. 

i'm of the opinion that it should match the length of the race.  shorter races certainly don't need 3:00 to finish.  Or that is, if someone does require 3:00 to finish, they do not have the privilege of keeping everyone else just sitting there waiting for them.

In a 30+ lap race, however, I feel that 3:00 is good.  I can forsee some races where having more than 3:00 to finish would be good as well, such as those where we t ry to simulate a 24hr race in a couple hours.

Proportionate to race length is all I ask...

Couldn't agree more.  A 6-lap race that takes 9 minutes to finish shouldn't require a two-minute timer, particularly because two guys are parked in the grass somewhere pissed off.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: Boston77Bruins on February 27, 2012, 05:22:25 PM
Yes, I agree that the racers who quit and are parked in the grass are not very polite with the timer manners. They should exit to the menu screen to wait it out.

I think a minute to a minute and a half is fair.  MHO

I'm guilty of parking my car and talking when I shouldn't be.  I drop the occasional F bomb, failing to remember that I may be broadcasting into other peoples living area's where wives and kids can hear.

I just bring it up to remind us of where we came from and how far we have come.  This is one bad ass school of fish!!!   
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: DudeTuna on February 27, 2012, 06:17:00 PM
Yes, I agree that the racers who quit and are parked in the grass are not very polite with the timer manners.  They should exit to the menu screen to wait it out.

I think a minute to a minute to a minute and a half is fair.

MHO

I like the minute to a minute and a half. I think the most we usually use is 2 minutes though. It comes down to parked people and Ricks ADD.  :) Except for Charlies Midnight Show most evnets are run in a lounge and this finish time can be changed by anyone.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: CharlieTuna on February 27, 2012, 06:35:12 PM
Yes, I agree that the racers who quit and are parked in the grass are not very polite with the timer manners.  They should exit to the menu screen to wait it out.

I think a minute to a minute to a minute and a half is fair.

MHO

I like the minute to a minute and a half. I think the most we usually use is 2 minutes though. It comes down to parked people and Ricks ADD.  :) Except for Charlies Midnight Show most evnets are run in a lounge and this finish time can be changed by anyone.

Charlie uses a 90sec end timer on any events he hosts...  (nowadays that usually give me close to a chance to finish)
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: BakedTuna on February 27, 2012, 06:47:30 PM
I usually set rooms to one min. With just one minute the start and parkers dont bother me.
Title: Re: A request from the back
Post by: EX_stream_tuna on February 28, 2012, 08:17:14 AM
yea and one reason "parkers" do what they do is that they probably think it's MORE rude to back out and decrease the payouts... either way it's not that big of a deal unless someone is backing out just because they are losing and can't take the ego bruise.